File sorting issue, XP loss of function that was found in Win98

[Shawna]

Here is the difference between win98 and XP that has
driven me nuts since XP's launch.

-------
In "details" display, click the column header "Date
Modified". When the files are listed from newest to
oldest:

In Win98 the folders are at the TOP.

In WinXP the folders are at the BOTTOM.
-------

Window 98 does it exactly the opposite of Windows XP.

We shouldn't have to search around each folder just to see
both the folders and the most recent files. Both should
appear when we simply open the folder. Win98 worked well.

On the advice of some wise poster, I put up a web page
with screen shots to better explain the problem.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.
Shawna

 

[Star Fleet Admiral Q]

Mine works fine Just like it did in 98.

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

You really need to look at the .jpg link I posted in the original thread
(and should stick to it as well, all this posting willy-nilly is not likely
to make anyone want to answer you). The image is from my system, and it took
me all of about 2-3 seconds to set the folders/files in the view you are
asking for. All I did was follow the same directions as I have already given
you, nothing special.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!

Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone

 

[fong]

where is the original thread? I wish to take a look at it, what are those
directions you have given? I realise that xp does arrange folders the way
shawna is complaining about.

 

[Shawna]

Dear Rick,
I never got, although I looked very thoroughly, your .jpg
link. Please repost. I followed your instructions however.
I believe you completely miss my point. Please read my web
page and look at the screen shots and then I think you'll
see what the trouble is. If you really can produce the
desired results, I sure would be interested in seeing your
screen shot of it. As for my posting, it is definately
willy - but not nilly!
Shawna

 

[Shawna]

Star Fleet Admiral,

I believe you completely miss my point as well. Please
read my web page and look at the screen shots (WARNING:
You should spend more than 2 or 3 seconds). Then I think
you'll see what the trouble is. If you really can produce
the desired results, please email me a screen shot of it.

If well meaning people, eager to help, answer my problem
by stating that there is no problem, it makes it very hard
to solve because it's solved by denial. I tried to deny it
ever since XP's lauch.

Thanks again,
Shawna

 

[Kelly]

Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

 

[Shawna]

Thank you Kelly,

As you suggested, I tried that fix reg "sortorder.reg" but
it didn't work for my problem.

I also tries another reg file from your site
named "xp_shellstate.reg". That didn;t work either.

Thanks for the collection you have there.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util

Here is the difference between win98 and XP that has
driven me nuts since XP's launch.

-------
In "details" display, click the column header "Date
Modified". When the files are listed from newest to
oldest:

In Win98 the folders are at the TOP.

In WinXP the folders are at the BOTTOM.
-------

Window 98 does it exactly the opposite of Windows XP.

We shouldn't have to search around each folder just to see
both the folders and the most recent files. Both should
appear when we simply open the folder. Win98 worked well.

On the advice of some wise poster, I put up a web page
with screen shots to better explain the problem.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.
Shawna

.

 

[Kelly]

Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other third
party software/tweakers, edits you have installed/applied. This is
generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.





Thank you Kelly,

As you suggested, I tried that fix reg "sortorder.reg" but
it didn't work for my problem.

I also tries another reg file from your site
named "xp_shellstate.reg". That didn;t work either.

Thanks for the collection you have there.
Shawna

 

[Shawna]

Hi Kelly,
This is the way XP sorts strait out of the box. Did you
look at my web page where the problem is decribed and
shown?
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.

Thanks again for your attention,
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other third
party software/tweakers, edits you have installed/applied. This is
generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util



Thank you Kelly,

As you suggested, I tried that fix reg "sortorder.reg" but
it didn't work for my problem.

I also tries another reg file from your site
named "xp_shellstate.reg". That didn;t work either.

Thanks for the collection you have there.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util

Here is the difference between win98 and XP that has
driven me nuts since XP's launch.

-------
In "details" display, click the column header "Date
Modified". When the files are listed from newest to
oldest:

In Win98 the folders are at the TOP.

In WinXP the folders are at the BOTTOM.
-------

Window 98 does it exactly the opposite of Windows XP.

We shouldn't have to search around each folder just to see
both the folders and the most recent files. Both should
appear when we simply open the folder. Win98 worked well.

On the advice of some wise poster, I put up a web page
with screen shots to better explain the problem.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.
Shawna

.

.

 

[Kelly]

Will look more into it tomorrow. What is up with the unnecessary pop-ups?





Hi Kelly,
This is the way XP sorts strait out of the box. Did you
look at my web page where the problem is decribed and
shown?
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.

Thanks again for your attention,
Shawna

 

[David Candy]

I just see malware trying to install at that link.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

Hi Kelly,
This is the way XP sorts strait out of the box. Did you
look at my web page where the problem is decribed and
shown?
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.

Thanks again for your attention,
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other third
party software/tweakers, edits you have installed/applied. This is
generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util



Thank you Kelly,

As you suggested, I tried that fix reg "sortorder.reg" but
it didn't work for my problem.

I also tries another reg file from your site
named "xp_shellstate.reg". That didn;t work either.

Thanks for the collection you have there.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util

Here is the difference between win98 and XP that has
driven me nuts since XP's launch.

-------
In "details" display, click the column header "Date
Modified". When the files are listed from newest to
oldest:

In Win98 the folders are at the TOP.

In WinXP the folders are at the BOTTOM.
-------

Window 98 does it exactly the opposite of Windows XP.

We shouldn't have to search around each folder just to see
both the folders and the most recent files. Both should
appear when we simply open the folder. Win98 worked well.

On the advice of some wise poster, I put up a web page
with screen shots to better explain the problem.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.
Shawna

.

.

 

[Lemon Jelly]

Kelly - typed:

Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other
third party software/teachers, edits you have installed/applied.
This is generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.

[Continuing from another thread on the subject]

Shawn's problem is that when you sort by date in a folder with files &
sub-folders, the subfolders will be displayed last when one reverses the
sort order. I can confirm this behaviour on my PC. I won't have access
to a win98 PC until Friday but Shawna says the sub-folders remain at the
top with the files reversed below them & has applied the reg fix that
addresses the ASCII v alphanumerical order but it didn't effect the
results of sub-folder placement (from a 3rd thread).

It would be useful if others would confirm if the sub-folders jump from
1st to last 'cos as you ask, what 3rd party apps have been installed
which may have modified the sorting. I suspect it's the default
behaviour anyway; XP treating sub-folders as files when sorted by date
but there must be some kind of hierarchy otherwise sub-folders would be
interspersed throughout the files themselves which is only the case with
shortcuts to folders.

The consequences of this behaviour is that one has to scroll to see both
folders & most recent files under XP but not with W98. Shawna has
modified the web page but it lacks a screenshot of a folder under W98
with the order reversed to really compare between the 2 OSs.

Regards

 

[John]

Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

Okay, I'll pipe up, 'cause I'm kinda curious, have the same problem and
have been following some of these willy (but not nilly) threads.

Note: A second computer has the same situation, with very similar
hardware, somewhat different software, and not nearly as tweaked.

------------
The problem:
In Windows Explorer, C:\, details view, sort on name, I see:
Program Files (folder)
Windows (folder)
Autoexec.bat (file)
Config.sys (file)

Clicking on Name to reverse the sort order I see:
Config.sys (file)
Autoexec.bat (file)
Windows (folder)
Program Files (folder)

I would think the folders should be above the files irregardless of how
I sort.

Note: Folders are always at the bottom no matter what sort is reversed,
i.e. Reversing Name, Size, Type... will put the folders at the bottom.

----------
Fix attempts:
I didn't see Rick "Nutcase"s solution.
Result- Untried, obviously.

Change the Sort Order Back to W2K Style (Line 107)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Result- Folders still go to bottom with reverse sort, but I kept this fix.

Correct the Sort Order in Windows XP (Line 19b)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Result- Folders still go to bottom with reverse sort, also gave me
Classic Start menu. Went back to the original, which is:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"ShellState"=hex:24,00,00,00,37,a8,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\
ff,ff,ff,ff,0d,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00

Sort Order - Reversed A-Z is Z-A
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so
(C:\>details>hold CTRL>close using X>restart)
Result- No change. I tried this with Explorer set both A-Z and Z-A.

I also hunted through Help and Support, as well as the MS KB without any
new results.

----------
Software Environment:
Kelly suggested that maybe it was something else installed causing this,
so...
----------
My Box:
Win XP Home Upgrade, clean installed a month ago. Originally Win ME.
Major software- nVidia drivers, Creative Live! software, Norton AV Pro
2003, ZoneAlarm, Gateway Millenium Keyboard, Iomega Parallel Port Zip 100.
Tweaks performed- Way too numerous to list (or remember), but here's a
sample of maybe pertinent tweaks.
Added Move To and Copy To buttons in Win Explorer
Moved My Documents out of all those #$%& subfolders
Have an R:\ drive that's hidden via TweakUI
Removed Recycle Bin from Desktop
Changed some folder and drive icons

R-click context menu additions; Move To and Copy To, Open DOS Box and
Unziplify.

Explorer Tools>Folder Options>View settings; Everything unhidden (show-
extensions, hidden and system files), "Display simple folder view" is
unchecked.

Other software:
Win XP, fully updated
MS Office Pro 2000, fully updated
VB 6.0 LE, updated with SP5
Adobe Reader 6.0

-----------
Services killed:
(Most I disabled, a few already set this way, some I don't remember.)
Creative Service for CDROM Access- Disabled
Fast User Switching Compatibility- Manual
Human Interface Device Access- Disabled
IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service- Manual
ICF/ICS- Manual
Iomega Activity Disk2- Disabled
Iomega App Services- Disabled
Logical Disk Manager (and Admin. Serv.)- Manual
Messenger- Disabled
Norton Unerase Protection- Automatic
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service- Disabled
Portable Media Serial Number Service- Manual
Routing and Remote Access- Disabled
Uninterruptible Power Supply- Disabled
Universal Plug and Play Device Host- Disabled



TIA.

John

 

[Shawna]

Dear Rick,

Arrgggghhh,
Either you are not understanding this problem or you are
just playing around.

If you sort the files ""simply by clicking the "type"
column header "" at anytimes, you get the files grouped
by "TYPE" as their primary sort NOT BY DATE. The only way
one could get the desired result of having the files
listed "new to oldest" using your method is if he had only
one "type" of file in the folder. Your screen shot does
NOT show the desired effect. But thanks for trying.
I'll give you an A for confidence, a D for reading skills,
a C for effort and an F end results.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm

Thanks again for your attention,
Shawna

PS: Applications for higher grades are accepted upon
receipt of new anwsers. Don't make me show your work.
PS: I really mean "Thanks for trying".

 

[Shawna]

Hi Lemon Jelly,

I added my screen shot of the "folder under W98 with the
order reversed to really compare between the 2 OSs", as
you mentioned. It's at the bottom of the page.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
I originally did not include it on my page because I
thought that it was of little value but I see what you
mean and why you would want to see it.

Thanks for understanding my problem and for your help.

I think you are really on to something here Lemon Jelly
you may be getting me out of a pickle jam. Ah shucks, you
probably get that a lot.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Kelly - typed:

Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other
third party software/teachers, edits you have installed/applied.
This is generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.

[Continuing from another thread on the subject]

Shawn's problem is that when you sort by date in a folder with files &
sub-folders, the subfolders will be displayed last when one reverses the
sort order. I can confirm this behaviour on my PC. I won't have access
to a win98 PC until Friday but Shawna says the sub- folders remain at the
top with the files reversed below them & has applied the reg fix that
addresses the ASCII v alphanumerical order but it didn't effect the
results of sub-folder placement (from a 3rd thread).

It would be useful if others would confirm if the sub- folders jump from
1st to last 'cos as you ask, what 3rd party apps have been installed
which may have modified the sorting. I suspect it's the default
behaviour anyway; XP treating sub-folders as files when sorted by date
but there must be some kind of hierarchy otherwise sub- folders would be
interspersed throughout the files themselves which is only the case with
shortcuts to folders.

The consequences of this behaviour is that one has to scroll to see both
folders & most recent files under XP but not with W98. Shawna has
modified the web page but it lacks a screenshot of a folder under W98
with the order reversed to really compare between the 2 OSs.

Regards


.

 

[Shawna]

Wow, thanks, John, for your work. I have had this trouble
on every XP machine I have ever seen. It's the way it
comes for MS.

I agree that Folders are important enough to always be on
top. I suppose one may way to see all items including
folders listed by date to get a chronological history of
the file and folder structure.

I'm afraid to say this now but:
Ultimately I wish to Arrange the Icons inside my Folders
thus:

All concurrently:
1st by: all folders (Alphabetically a-z)
2nd by: all files (by Date with newest files at the top-
just under the folders)
Then, set that regime to apply to all folders


I hope this is possible. It would greatly assist in
locating my files.
Windows 98 did this just fine, and I got spoiled I guess.

Shawna

-----Original Message-----

Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

Okay, I'll pipe up, 'cause I'm kinda curious, have the same problem and
have been following some of these willy (but not nilly) threads.

Note: A second computer has the same situation, with very similar
hardware, somewhat different software, and not nearly as tweaked.

------------
The problem:
In Windows Explorer, C:\, details view, sort on name, I see:
Program Files (folder)
Windows (folder)
Autoexec.bat (file)
Config.sys (file)

Clicking on Name to reverse the sort order I see:
Config.sys (file)
Autoexec.bat (file)
Windows (folder)
Program Files (folder)

I would think the folders should be above the files irregardless of how
I sort.

Note: Folders are always at the bottom no matter what sort is reversed,
i.e. Reversing Name, Size, Type... will put the folders at the bottom.

----------
Fix attempts:
I didn't see Rick "Nutcase"s solution.
Result- Untried, obviously.

Change the Sort Order Back to W2K Style (Line 107)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Result- Folders still go to bottom with reverse sort, but I kept this fix.

Correct the Sort Order in Windows XP (Line 19b)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Result- Folders still go to bottom with reverse sort, also gave me
Classic Start menu. Went back to the original, which is:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersio
n\Explorer]

"ShellState"=hex:24,00,00,00,37,a8,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00

,00,00,00,00,00,00,\
ff,ff,ff,ff,0d,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00

Sort Order - Reversed A-Z is Z-A
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so
(C:\>details>hold CTRL>close using X>restart)
Result- No change. I tried this with Explorer set both A- Z and Z-A.

I also hunted through Help and Support, as well as the MS KB without any
new results.

----------
Software Environment:
Kelly suggested that maybe it was something else installed causing this,
so...
----------
My Box:
Win XP Home Upgrade, clean installed a month ago. Originally Win ME.
Major software- nVidia drivers, Creative Live! software, Norton AV Pro
2003, ZoneAlarm, Gateway Millenium Keyboard, Iomega Parallel Port Zip 100.
Tweaks performed- Way too numerous to list (or remember), but here's a
sample of maybe pertinent tweaks.
Added Move To and Copy To buttons in Win Explorer
Moved My Documents out of all those #$%& subfolders
Have an R:\ drive that's hidden via TweakUI
Removed Recycle Bin from Desktop
Changed some folder and drive icons

R-click context menu additions; Move To and Copy To, Open DOS Box and
Unziplify.

Explorer Tools>Folder Options>View settings; Everything unhidden (show-
extensions, hidden and system files), "Display simple folder view" is
unchecked.

Other software:
Win XP, fully updated
MS Office Pro 2000, fully updated
VB 6.0 LE, updated with SP5
Adobe Reader 6.0

-----------
Services killed:
(Most I disabled, a few already set this way, some I don't remember.)
Creative Service for CDROM Access- Disabled
Fast User Switching Compatibility- Manual
Human Interface Device Access- Disabled
IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service- Manual
ICF/ICS- Manual
Iomega Activity Disk2- Disabled
Iomega App Services- Disabled
Logical Disk Manager (and Admin. Serv.)- Manual
Messenger- Disabled
Norton Unerase Protection- Automatic
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service- Disabled
Portable Media Serial Number Service- Manual
Routing and Remote Access- Disabled
Uninterruptible Power Supply- Disabled
Universal Plug and Play Device Host- Disabled



TIA.

John

.

 

[Shawna]

David,

I'm sorry for the junk at that web host. Those pop ups
are not mine. They are from the free web host
Ocatch.com. You should be able get to the page without
accepting their junk. I can. If you know where I can
free *clean* web hosting. I will use that in the future.
If you would like me to email you the web files directly,
to avoid the 0catch.com junk, I will do that upon your
email request.

Sorry - again.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
I just see malware trying to install at that link.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

Hi Kelly,
This is the way XP sorts strait out of the box. Did you
look at my web page where the problem is decribed and
shown?
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.

Thanks again for your attention,
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Most welcome and hmm....

Would be interested in knowing when this first started and what other third
party software/tweakers, edits you have installed/applied. This is
generally an easy fix for most XP users.

Good luck in the meantime and keep us posted.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util



Thank you Kelly,

As you suggested, I tried that fix reg "sortorder.reg" but
it didn't work for my problem.

I also tries another reg file from your site
named "xp_shellstate.reg". That didn;t work either.

Thanks for the collection you have there.
Shawna

-----Original Message-----
Correcting Windows XP Sort Order
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_s.htm#so

--
All the Best,
Kelly

MS-MVP Win98/XP
[AE-Windows® XP]

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Utilities for Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_u.htm#xp_util


Here is the difference between win98 and XP that has
driven me nuts since XP's launch.

-------
In "details" display, click the column header "Date
Modified". When the files are listed from newest to
oldest:

In Win98 the folders are at the TOP.

In WinXP the folders are at the BOTTOM.
-------

Window 98 does it exactly the opposite of Windows XP.

We shouldn't have to search around each folder just to see
both the folders and the most recent files. Both should
appear when we simply open the folder. Win98 worked well.

On the advice of some wise poster, I put up a web page
with screen shots to better explain the problem.
http://321.0catch.com/Screenshots.htm
Please check it out.
Shawna



.

.

.

 

[John]

Wow, thanks, John, for your work. I have had this trouble
on every XP machine I have ever seen. It's the way it
comes for MS.

Soooo, I get an A for effort?

Actually, I'm just waiting around to hear the dreaded words, "This is by
design." and am surprised it hasn't been said already.

John

 

[Shawna]

Kelly,
Thanks for looking into it.
I'm sorry, those pop ups are not mine. They are from the
cheap (free) web host, O.catch.com. If you know where I
can free *clean* web hosting. I will use that in the
future.
Thanks again, and sorry - again.
Shawna