File bigger than 4 GB in a FAT patiton

[Edward W. Thompson]

You're picking a bad fight. You will never get away with any criticism of
MVP's in these NGs the lobby is simply too powerful. Some MVPs seem to
believe they are above reproach by us lesser mortals regardless of how valid
the criticism. You are not permitted to air negative feedback on any of the
'gang' and if you do you will be attacked and derided by many of the group.
I cite the unjustified label of 'moronic ass' that has been attached as a
response to your post to illustrate the point. I also cite the response to
my recent criticism of a 'congrats' thread that went on for several days and
was a blatant abuse of the NGs (using the NG for personal purposes). All or
virtually all contributors to the thread being MVPs. I will now, no doubt,
be showered with similar dispargaring comments as you. A little humility by
some of the MVP group, a minority I do concede, would be welcome.

I await in trepidation, of the blast to come .

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others are
as well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation
sometimes would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly
abbreviated answers that are often potentially misleading to novice
readers, fails to address details and more often than not gives
copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't even apply at all to the
questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong
with that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all the
info the poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred a
similar answer from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why
couldn't you tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as
a sharp stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that
occaisionally you shock the h3ll out of me and actually display some
reading comprehension skills, although that's very rare. Most of the
time all I see you reply with are copy-pasted and barely related (if at
all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies
that contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all
know how futile THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of content
applicable to OP questions or whether they were ACTUALLY HELPFUL? Sh1t.
I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[Kelly]

You will never get away with any criticism of MVP's in these NGs the lobby

is simply too powerful.

This is simply not true, Edward. In some cases, if the thread is not
replied to by an MVP, then it either means that the poster was correct or
there was nothing else to be said. In this particular case, I haven't
followed the thread.

-
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP-Shell/User
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

You're picking a bad fight. You will never get away with any criticism of
MVP's in these NGs the lobby is simply too powerful. Some MVPs seem to
believe they are above reproach by us lesser mortals regardless of how
valid the criticism. You are not permitted to air negative feedback on
any of the 'gang' and if you do you will be attacked and derided by many
of the group. I cite the unjustified label of 'moronic ass' that has been
attached as a response to your post to illustrate the point. I also cite
the response to my recent criticism of a 'congrats' thread that went on
for several days and was a blatant abuse of the NGs (using the NG for
personal purposes). All or virtually all contributors to the thread being
MVPs. I will now, no doubt, be showered with similar dispargaring
comments as you. A little humility by some of the MVP group, a minority I
do concede, would be welcome.

I await in trepidation, of the blast to come .

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others
are as well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation
sometimes would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly
abbreviated answers that are often potentially misleading to novice
readers, fails to address details and more often than not gives
copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't even apply at all to the
questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong
with that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all
the info the poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred
a similar answer from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why
couldn't you tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as
a sharp stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that
occaisionally you shock the h3ll out of me and actually display some
reading comprehension skills, although that's very rare. Most of the
time all I see you reply with are copy-pasted and barely related (if at
all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies
that contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all
know how futile THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of
content applicable to OP questions or whether they were ACTUALLY
HELPFUL? Sh1t. I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[Bud G Seed]

DO NOT AGREE!

I have used the MVP's Home Sites a lot, in particular Kelly's and would have
been stuck without them.

I have been working with PC's for nearly 20 years but I do not know even 5%
of what I would like to.

Theses guys/gals still do a great job and deserve what I believe to be
"Constructive Criticism", not told where to go or how to.

Keep up the good work people because I am sure there are large numbers of
users out who would agree with me.

Cheers

Bud

You're picking a bad fight. You will never get away with any criticism of
MVP's in these NGs the lobby is simply too powerful. Some MVPs seem to
believe they are above reproach by us lesser mortals regardless of how
valid the criticism. You are not permitted to air negative feedback on
any of the 'gang' and if you do you will be attacked and derided by many
of the group. I cite the unjustified label of 'moronic ass' that has been
attached as a response to your post to illustrate the point. I also cite
the response to my recent criticism of a 'congrats' thread that went on
for several days and was a blatant abuse of the NGs (using the NG for
personal purposes). All or virtually all contributors to the thread being
MVPs. I will now, no doubt, be showered with similar dispargaring
comments as you. A little humility by some of the MVP group, a minority I
do concede, would be welcome.

I await in trepidation, of the blast to come .

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others
are as well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation
sometimes would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly
abbreviated answers that are often potentially misleading to novice
readers, fails to address details and more often than not gives
copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't even apply at all to the
questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong
with that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all
the info the poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred
a similar answer from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why
couldn't you tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as
a sharp stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that
occaisionally you shock the h3ll out of me and actually display some
reading comprehension skills, although that's very rare. Most of the
time all I see you reply with are copy-pasted and barely related (if at
all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies
that contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all
know how futile THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of
content applicable to OP questions or whether they were ACTUALLY
HELPFUL? Sh1t. I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[Michael Stevens]

DO NOT AGREE!

I have used the MVP's Home Sites a lot, in particular Kelly's and
would have been stuck without them.

I have been working with PC's for nearly 20 years but I do not know
even 5% of what I would like to.

Theses guys/gals still do a great job and deserve what I believe to be
"Constructive Criticism", not told where to go or how to.

Keep up the good work people because I am sure there are large
numbers of users out who would agree with me.

Cheers

Bud

Thanks Bud,
Don't know what crawled up SteveN's lower tract, but his reply to the OP was
no more or less helpful than Carey's.
With over 1000 posts in this newsgroup alone, fielding even a fraction of
the redundant posts often requires the use of boilerplate replies.
What makes a post with Boilerplate/Cup & Paste info less helpfull if it
fixes the problem than one typed in real time with essentially the same info
to each and every one of the thousands of posts?
My answer is none that I can see.
Plus the fact that most of the posts from the web based format [CDO] rarely
even reach the OP. Sometimes you want to put out a feeler to see if any
time NEEDS to be spent helping a user on a one to one basis for a question
that has been answered a thousand times already.

Carey's occasional posting of information due to misunderstanding the
posters often impossible to understand post is miniscule compared to the
posts where he hits the mark.

Now if SteveN complained that after the OP replied the initial info was of
no help and they were ignored, treated rudely or given bad information in
subsequent posts, I would respect SteveN's beef, but with his above posts,
he deserves no respect or creditability.
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

You're picking a bad fight. You will never get away with any
criticism of MVP's in these NGs the lobby is simply too powerful. Some
MVPs seem to believe they are above reproach by us lesser
mortals regardless of how valid the criticism. You are not
permitted to air negative feedback on any of the 'gang' and if you
do you will be attacked and derided by many of the group. I cite the
unjustified label of 'moronic ass' that has been attached as a
response to your post to illustrate the point. I also cite the
response to my recent criticism of a 'congrats' thread that went on
for several days and was a blatant abuse of the NGs (using the NG
for personal purposes). All or virtually all contributors to the
thread being MVPs. I will now, no doubt, be showered with similar
dispargaring comments as you. A little humility by some of the MVP
group, a minority I do concede, would be welcome. I await in trepidation,
of the blast to come .

Bud G Seed wrote:

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think
others are as well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more
explanation sometimes would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly
abbreviated answers that are often potentially misleading to novice
readers, fails to address details and more often than not gives
copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't even apply at all to the
questions asked.

Steve


Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's
nothing wrong with that. No further information was requested.
Sometimes that's all the info the poster is looking for. A post
like that would have incurred a similar answer from most people,
including myself. --
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey?
Why couldn't you tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS?
Such as: http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as
helpful as a sharp stick in the eye most of the time. I will
admit that occaisionally you shock the h3ll out of me and
actually display some reading comprehension skills, although
that's very rare. Most of the time all I see you reply with are
copy-pasted and barely related (if at all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of
replies that contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords
(and we all know how futile THAT can be with M$ KB searches!),
regardless of content applicable to OP questions or whether they
were ACTUALLY HELPFUL? Sh1t. I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP,
too!
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[Plato]

Please dont quit your day job defeathering chickens.

 

[JimBob]

Hello,
I assume your using an earlier version of Ghost that will only write to a
Fat32 formatted partition or drive, mine is v2002 which can only be used in
DOS and therefore limited to only being able to see Fat32 formatted
partitions or drives, and you may already know this but thought I would
mention it just in case. You can make a Ghost floppy with the span and auto
options activated. That way Ghost will make a large system backup image to
the Fat32 partition or drive in file increments of approx. 2GB.

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Hi Steve,

I don't always agree with Carey, but he gave the right answer, and he gave
the right length answer. As he has pointed out, he had been following this
user from another post, so he knew that no further information was needed.

If Carey, or anyone else for that matter, gives a bum answer, I have no
problem with correcting it. Either I will reply directly to Carey if the
information is dead wrong or harmful, or post in addition to him if I feel
there is a better way or alternate answer. I would expect the same treatment
if I give a bum answer.

Often times, a short answer is all I will post if the questioner has not
provided much information. Sometimes the underlying problem is obvious, but
just as often it is not. Without sufficient details, it's just a guessing
game. This time Carey had the details, and a short answer was all that was
needed.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others are
as well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation
sometimes would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly
abbreviated answers that are often potentially misleading to novice
readers, fails to address details and more often than not gives
copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't even apply at all to the
questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong
with that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all the
info the poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred a
similar answer from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why
couldn't you tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as
a sharp stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that
occaisionally you shock the h3ll out of me and actually display some
reading comprehension skills, although that's very rare. Most of the
time all I see you reply with are copy-pasted and barely related (if at
all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies
that contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all
know how futile THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of content
applicable to OP questions or whether they were ACTUALLY HELPFUL? Sh1t.
I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Because in an earlier post, in a different newsgroup,
the same OP asked:

"I'm trying to send a 20GB win media file to another PC running ME".

Windows ME cannot run on a NTFS file system.

Incorrect assumption Carey. He may be the same poster as in the other NG
but it's not the same issue as evidenced in his reply to me:

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Thanks Bud,
Don't know what crawled up SteveN's lower tract,

Irritation at canned, incomplete or outright inapplicable answers, of
which Carey is almost famous for, that's what.

but his reply to the OP was
no more or less helpful than Carey's.

In the long run you are correct, but given the information suppiled in
in the OP the answer I gave (which was a link to a very complete and
accruate article on FAT32 - NTFS conversions that I actually READ first
to assure it applied to the OP's questions) was righ on the money.

With over 1000 posts in this newsgroup alone, fielding even a fraction of
the redundant posts often requires the use of boilerplate replies.

My compliant is not about copy-pasting of links pre se but the lack of
accuracy.

What makes a post with Boilerplate/Cup & Paste info less helpfull if it
fixes the problem than one typed in real time with essentially the same info
to each and every one of the thousands of posts?

Because it doesn't fix the problem if it doesn't even address it.

My answer is none that I can see.
Plus the fact that most of the posts from the web based format [CDO] rarely
even reach the OP. Sometimes you want to put out a feeler to see if any
time NEEDS to be spent helping a user on a one to one basis for a question
that has been answered a thousand times already.

Carey's occasional posting of information due to misunderstanding the
posters often impossible to understand post is miniscule compared to the
posts where he hits the mark.

I disagree, from what I have seen here the opposite is true.

Now if SteveN complained that after the OP replied the initial info was of
no help

That is exactly what I was addressing; it was of no help and equated to
saying, "No, there is nothing you can do about it" which is simply not
true at all.

and they were ignored, treated rudely or given bad information in
subsequent posts, I would respect SteveN's beef, but with his above posts,
he deserves no respect or creditability.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Thank you Steve. My question is related to the use of an external IOMEGA
drive (80 GB) FAT32 partitioned. I use this drive to store files -and I'd
like to write files bigger than 4 GB on it- and to backup my system
(WinXPSP1 NTFS) HD partition with Norton Ghost. I knew the limit of FAT32
and the possibility to convert it in a NTFS fs, but I don't want to do it
because in that case Norton Ghost is unable to run (to write the backup on
that drive). I hoped to find some way to bypass this limit. That's all.
Giovanni

I don't use Ghost but I am almost certain it is capable of writing to
NTFS partitions. If it isn't then I would look into using some other
backup method that can instead.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Hi Steve,

I don't always agree with Carey, but he gave the right answer, and he gave
the right length answer. As he has pointed out, he had been following this
user from another post, so he knew that no further information was needed.

As I just replied to Carey, this was an incorrect assumption. The OP was
actually referring to using an external drive in this case:

If Carey, or anyone else for that matter, gives a bum answer, I have no
problem with correcting it. Either I will reply directly to Carey if the
information is dead wrong or harmful, or post in addition to him if I feel
there is a better way or alternate answer. I would expect the same treatment
if I give a bum answer.

Often times, a short answer is all I will post if the questioner has not
provided much information. Sometimes the underlying problem is obvious, but
just as often it is not. Without sufficient details, it's just a guessing
game. This time Carey had the details, and a short answer was all that was
needed.

No, this time Carey THOUGHT he had the details and once again he was wrong.

I have been wrong, I'm not afraid to be wrong and I openly admit it when
I am. I've never seen Carey admit to even being slightly mistaken.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
|
| > Because in an earlier post, in a different newsgroup,
| > the same OP asked:
| >
| > "I'm trying to send a 20GB win media file to another PC
running ME".
| >
| > Windows ME cannot run on a NTFS file system.
| >
|
| So, those of us who don't read the "different newsgroup" and
know
| knothing about the OP's post there or the fact that he/she is
dealing
| with a WinME issue are supposed to know this automatically or
| psychically? Where's my crystal ball?
|
| Is this not a WinXP newsgroup? How many people using WinXP are
going to
| read your help-lacking response here in and assume they have no
options?
|
| What a joke. What a lack of responsibility.
|
| Steve
|

Steve, you do have sort of a point, but the way you're going at
it only makes YOU look more like the problem. Offensive attacks
are seldom positive events. You've forgotten the "walk a mile
..." principle, I think.

Regards,

Pop

I and others have tried to correct Carey without being "offensive" to no
avail, he usually ignores the criticisms and persists in the bad habits
that I addressed. At least I got a reply out of him this time.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Please dont quit your day job defeathering chickens.

For future reference, if you dip them in boiling water it makes it a lot
easier to pluck the feathers.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

In

Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:

No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.

You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the
nearest open window so he can toss it out.

snipped the accompanying BS

Steve

Sorry Steve - your attitude would preclude you from being anything more than
the moronic ass that you are.

I admit it wasn't the nicest way to put it and I don't usually react
like that, but I did get his attention. Maybe he'll listen and try to
strive for better accuracy, although I have some doubts. Have you read
many of his replies in this group. Sure, he does a good job sometimes,
and I've even said as much here a time or two in his defence. It just
irritates me that an MVP would be so habitually inaccurate, make wrong
assumptions, and never admit when he's been wrong.

Steve

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

To summarize this off-topic thread:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Steve, you do have sort of a point, but the way you're going at
it only makes YOU look more like the problem. Offensive attacks
are seldom positive events. You've forgotten the "walk a mile
...." principle, I think.

Regards,

Pop

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong
with that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all the
info the poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred a
similar answer from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have used the MVP's Home Sites a lot, in particular Kelly's and would have
been stuck without them.

I have been working with PC's for nearly 20 years but I do not know even 5%
of what I would like to.

Theses guys/gals still do a great job and deserve what I believe to be
"Constructive Criticism", not told where to go or how to.

Keep up the good work people because I am sure there are large numbers of
users out who would agree with me.

Cheers

Bud

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't know what crawled up SteveN's lower tract, but his reply to the OP was
no more or less helpful than Carey's.
With over 1000 posts in this newsgroup alone, fielding even a fraction of
the redundant posts often requires the use of boilerplate replies.
What makes a post with Boilerplate/Cup & Paste info less helpfull if it
fixes the problem than one typed in real time with essentially the same info
to each and every one of the thousands of posts?
My answer is none that I can see.
Plus the fact that most of the posts from the web based format [CDO] rarely
even reach the OP. Sometimes you want to put out a feeler to see if any
time NEEDS to be spent helping a user on a one to one basis for a question
that has been answered a thousand times already.

Carey's occasional posting of information due to misunderstanding the
posters often impossible to understand post is miniscule compared to the
posts where he hits the mark.

Now if SteveN complained that after the OP replied the initial info was of
no help and they were ignored, treated rudely or given bad information in
subsequent posts, I would respect SteveN's beef, but with his above posts,
he deserves no respect or creditability.
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't always agree with Carey, but he gave the right answer, and he gave
the right length answer. As he has pointed out, he had been following this
user from another post, so he knew that no further information was needed.

If Carey, or anyone else for that matter, gives a bum answer, I have no
problem with correcting it. Either I will reply directly to Carey if the
information is dead wrong or harmful, or post in addition to him if I feel
there is a better way or alternate answer. I would expect the same treatment
if I give a bum answer.

Often times, a short answer is all I will post if the questioner has not
provided much information. Sometimes the underlying problem is obvious, but
just as often it is not. Without sufficient details, it's just a guessing
game. This time Carey had the details, and a short answer was all that was
needed.

 

[Jone Doe]

For future reference, if you dip them in boiling water it makes it a lot
easier to pluck the feathers.

Steve

To give full instructions and avoid potential harm, it is the chicken you
dip in the boiling water, not your fingers.

 

[Steve N.]

You're picking a bad fight. You will never get away with any criticism of
MVP's in these NGs the lobby is simply too powerful. Some MVPs seem to
believe they are above reproach by us lesser mortals regardless of how valid
the criticism. You are not permitted to air negative feedback on any of the
'gang' and if you do you will be attacked and derided by many of the group.
I cite the unjustified label of 'moronic ass' that has been attached as a
response to your post to illustrate the point. I also cite the response to
my recent criticism of a 'congrats' thread that went on for several days and
was a blatant abuse of the NGs (using the NG for personal purposes). All or
virtually all contributors to the thread being MVPs. I will now, no doubt,
be showered with similar dispargaring comments as you. A little humility by
some of the MVP group, a minority I do concede, would be welcome.

I await in trepidation, of the blast to come .

I'm not frightened in the least

I'll have to revisit that thread you mention.

The "moronic ass" comment wasn't made by an MVP and it doesn't hurt my
feelings at all; I am secure in my self-awareness, I'm not afraid to be
called names and I am not afraid to be wrong either.

I do agree that there seems to be a pro M$, pro XP and pro MVP attitude
prevelant here, which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing,
but sometimes it reminds me of a Mac user group

Besides, I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wake Carey up to his bad
habits. He's not all bad, just not good enough to deserver the MVP
title, IMO, and I suspect he gets that title partly due to the sheer
volume of his posts, some of which are right on the money but it seems
to be ignored by the other MVPs and others that an awful lot are not. I
pulled on one example out of many, hoping to stir up some impetus for
change.

Steve

 

[Alex Nichol]

Is there some way to create a file bigger than 4 GB in FAT32 patiton?

No. That is an absolute limit in the design of FAT 32 file systems

 

[MicroMark]

Did Carey finally get one right? I plonked him long ago, for obvious
reasons.

Hi Steve,

I don't always agree with Carey, but he gave the right answer, and he gave the
right length answer. As he has pointed out, he had been following this user from
another post, so he knew that no further information was needed.

If Carey, or anyone else for that matter, gives a bum answer, I have no problem
with correcting it. Either I will reply directly to Carey if the information is
dead wrong or harmful, or post in addition to him if I feel there is a better way
or alternate answer. I would expect the same treatment if I give a bum answer.

Often times, a short answer is all I will post if the questioner has not provided
much information. Sometimes the underlying problem is obvious, but just as often
it is not. Without sufficient details, it's just a guessing game. This time Carey
had the details, and a short answer was all that was needed.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others are as
well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation sometimes
would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly abbreviated
answers that are often potentially misleading to novice readers, fails to address
details and more often than not gives copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't
even apply at all to the questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong with
that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all the info the
poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred a similar answer
from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the nearest open
window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why couldn't you
tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as a sharp
stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that occaisionally you shock
the h3ll out of me and actually display some reading comprehension skills,
although that's very rare. Most of the time all I see you reply with are
copy-pasted and barely related (if at all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies that
contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all know how futile
THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of content applicable to OP
questions or whether they were ACTUALLY HELPFUL? Sh1t. I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve

 

[MicroMark]

Did Carey finally get one right? I plonked him long ago, for obvious
reasons.

Hi Steve,

I don't always agree with Carey, but he gave the right answer, and he gave the
right length answer. As he has pointed out, he had been following this user from
another post, so he knew that no further information was needed.

If Carey, or anyone else for that matter, gives a bum answer, I have no problem
with correcting it. Either I will reply directly to Carey if the information is
dead wrong or harmful, or post in addition to him if I feel there is a better way
or alternate answer. I would expect the same treatment if I give a bum answer.

Often times, a short answer is all I will post if the questioner has not provided
much information. Sometimes the underlying problem is obvious, but just as often
it is not. Without sufficient details, it's just a guessing game. This time Carey
had the details, and a short answer was all that was needed.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

I tend to agree with this. Sometimes the MVP's appear to think others are as
well educated as they supposedly are.

Not always allowing for novices.

Help is great but Short responses do not help much!

I am not knocking the help you guys give but a little more explanation sometimes
would be helpful.

Cheers

Bud

That was my point. In Carey's case he consistentently gives overly abbreviated
answers that are often potentially misleading to novice readers, fails to address
details and more often than not gives copy-pasted links to KB articles that don't
even apply at all to the questions asked.

Steve

Carey gave a straight answer to a simple question, there's nothing wrong with
that. No further information was requested. Sometimes that's all the info the
poster is looking for. A post like that would have incurred a similar answer
from most people, including myself.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Carey Frisch [ID10T] wrote:


No, it is a limitation of the FAT32 file system.


You might as well ask the OP if the computer will fit through the nearest open
window so he can toss it out.

Why don't you try to offer some real help for a change, Carey? Why couldn't you
tell the OP to look into converting to NTFS? Such as:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php

Sounds crazy, but it JUST MIGHT WORK!

I am truly amazed that you are still an MVP! You're about as helpful as a sharp
stick in the eye most of the time. I will admit that occaisionally you shock
the h3ll out of me and actually display some reading comprehension skills,
although that's very rare. Most of the time all I see you reply with are
copy-pasted and barely related (if at all) M$ KB links.

What, does M$ award MVP status based soley upon sheer volume of replies that
contain links to M$ KB urls based on a few keywords (and we all know how futile
THAT can be with M$ KB searches!), regardless of content applicable to OP
questions or whether they were ACTUALLY HELPFUL? Sh1t. I can do THAT!

Maybe if I repost this a hundred times I'll get to be an MVP, too!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310525&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307881&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304841&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329145&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810142&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;836165&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;300030&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;317255&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323563&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303584&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298609&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303582&Product=winxp

Want more?

http://support.microsoft.com/search...L&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=&InCC=on

LOL!

Steve