Faulty shutdowns

[BillW50]

On 01/18/2014 12:59 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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d flag, but it only marks my posts as

Bottom line:

you like OE6 best. That's 100% fine with me.

No I would be perfectly happy with many of the readers that I have
tried, if they only could pull off this one very useful trick. It isn't
hard to program or anything. But none of the other newsgroup programmers
seem to get it. I am not even sure if Microsoft meant to have it work
this way. They could have ended up with this by total accident.

And I have a very hard time believing anybody using a newsgroup reader
would not be interested in such a feature. As it is so simple and so
practical. And I judge all newsgroup readers by this one simple must
have ability. It is really just a view that others have totally
forgotten about. And while it is partly there under WLM, they dropped
the rest of it either by mistake or intentional.

I didn't mention in the previous post, but OE6 also works in the reverse
too. Let's say that you flag one post as watched and all references to
this post automatically gets flagged as watched too. And say one
subthread from that post turns into something you are totally not
interested in. Say basket weaving or something. You can unwatch that
part of the subthread of the conversation and all newer posts of that
part never shows up anymore in this special view.

I just don't get it! Any lame programmer could add this into their
reader and it is so simple to do. Everything you need to pull this off
is already in the header. But nobody does this except OE6 (I don't know
how far back this ability was in earlier OE versions, as I think I
discovered it in OE6). And sometimes I wonder if Microsoft just put it
in by accident (or otherwise just by being lucky).

 

[philo]

No I would be perfectly happy with many of the readers that I have
tried, if they only could pull off this one very useful trick. It isn't
hard to program or anything. But none of the other newsgroup programmers
seem to get it. I am not even sure if Microsoft meant to have it work
this way. They could have ended up with this by total accident.

And I have a very hard time believing anybody using a newsgroup reader
would not be interested in such a feature. As it is so simple and so
practical. And I judge all newsgroup readers by this one simple must
have ability. It is really just a view that others have totally
forgotten about. And while it is partly there under WLM, they dropped
the rest of it either by mistake or intentional.

I didn't mention in the previous post, but OE6 also works in the reverse
too. Let's say that you flag one post as watched and all references to
this post automatically gets flagged as watched too. And say one
subthread from that post turns into something you are totally not
interested in. Say basket weaving or something. You can unwatch that
part of the subthread of the conversation and all newer posts of that
part never shows up anymore in this special view.

I just don't get it! Any lame programmer could add this into their
reader and it is so simple to do. Everything you need to pull this off
is already in the header. But nobody does this except OE6 (I don't know
how far back this ability was in earlier OE versions, as I think I
discovered it in OE6). And sometimes I wonder if Microsoft just put it
in by accident (or otherwise just by being lucky).

Yes...OE6 does have some good features I guess.

 

[BillW50]

In J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:

In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
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I totally agree with you. Even though I have many different versions
of Windows, XP is still my all time favorite one.

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I still have a slight hankering for my 98SElite, but found too
much wouldn't work on it - and have found XP pretty stable.

I haven't used 98SElite myself. But I know a bit about it. I only have
one machine left that still has 98SE on it. I'll fire it up like once a
year and the dang thing is really fast. It was also the first laptop I
had that could keep up with DVD movies.

(I'd like to give Soporific's "Windows 98 tenth anniversary
edition" a good workout, but don't have the time.)

I never heard of it, but it sounds very interesting. ;-)

Having said that, I'm finding 7 quite livable-with, to my surprise.
(8 I don't like most of the changes, though I don't have the strong
hatred of it that many seem to - but I've not really played with it
to any extent.) This (XP) is still my default machine, but I do have
a 7 for some things that need the speed (mainly Skype and TeamViewer
so far). Actually, Skype and videos - such as YouTube - used to be
fine on this machine when I first started using it (even with its 1G
of memory); I've obviously done something to it over the past few
years (installed something, made some tweak, whatever) that has made
them very jerky (even changing to 2G of memory made no difference -
it hardly ever uses over 1 anyway), but I CBA to go back and find
what, though suggestions would be welcome. (I don't _think_ it's
Skype - and video encoding - having moved on, as at one point I did
try reverting to an earlier version of Skype and it didn't get better
again; besides, it even fails after a few minutes with audio-only
Skype. Which it didn't [even with video Skype] when I first started
using it. [FWIW TeamViewer is solid though!]) (It could well be
online-related: videos that play jerkily through e. g. YouTube
usually play fine if I download them and play them again locally -
but it isn't my line, which is still the speeds it's always been.)

Did that machine had SP2 installed later? I never had much luck
upgrading XP from SP1 to SP2 on existing machines. They ran, but they
were so sluggish. But if you did a fresh XP install and then installed
SP2, they would work just fine. That was the only SP I ever seen act
this way. Many others at the time also reported the same.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
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I haven't used 98SElite myself. But I know a bit about it. I only have
one machine left that still has 98SE on it. I'll fire it up like once a
year and the dang thing is really fast. It was also the first laptop I
had that could keep up with DVD movies.

Mine is also one that has the power supply inside: no extra brick.

I never heard of it, but it sounds very interesting. ;-)

He added every driver he could find (for hardware that had appeared
since 98SE came out), then incorporated some other freewares, the
universal USB driver, and other things - the CD is full to the brim.
[]

to any extent.) This (XP) is still my default machine, but I do have
a 7 for some things that need the speed (mainly Skype and TeamViewer
so far). Actually, Skype and videos - such as YouTube - used to be
fine on this machine when I first started using it (even with its 1G
of memory); I've obviously done something to it over the past few
years (installed something, made some tweak, whatever) that has made
them very jerky (even changing to 2G of memory made no difference - []
but it isn't my line, which is still the speeds it's always been.)

Did that machine had SP2 installed later? I never had much luck
upgrading XP from SP1 to SP2 on existing machines. They ran, but they
were so sluggish. But if you did a fresh XP install and then installed
SP2, they would work just fine. That was the only SP I ever seen act
this way. Many others at the time also reported the same.

No, was bought with XP SP3 preinstalled.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As we journey through life, discarding baggage along the way, we should keep
an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the
soul from desiccation. - Humphrey Lyttelton quoted by Barry Cryer in Radio
Times 10-16 November 2012

 

[BillW50]

In Bill in Co typed:

BillW50 wrote:
With SP3, I used to get that annoying warning that it was about time
to do a registry compaction (like after 99 openings of OE), but I
found a vbs script to turn that thing off online (at windows
startup)(somebody had written the script).

Actually it works the same way under SP2. As I have to do it manually.
And yes, after 99 openings, it too will bug you about needing to
compact. I never saw the script to reset it back to 0, but I wrote my
own to do the same.

However, whenever I've used OE compaction manually, I've always
closed down any other applications before I've run it, just to be
safe. What I wouldn't want to happen is to be in the middle of
compaction, and have some other app lock up the computer at that time.

I almost never compact OE. Maybe once every two or three years. And
there is almost no gain in performance afterwards. Same is true for
defragging my hard drives.

With SP2 and prior, you had automatic compaction run in the
background each time you opened OE (after about 15 seconds or so).
That "feature" was removed in SP3. Yes, I know why they did it, but
I liked having it, as I was always very cautious, and waited for OE
to do its compaction before messing with any other applications
(something, granted, the average user wouldn't do).

I vaguely remember autocompacting (wasn't there in SP2, I am positive).
I guess my Windows 2000 and 98SE machines must use it though. Both have
earlier versions of OE6. Microsoft stopped releasing updates for them
long before they stopped for XP. So I like XP OE6 far better than the
ones for 2000 or 98SE.

 

[BillW50]

In Nil typed:

You "believe"?? How about checking to see if your belief matches
reality?

You even mentioned one link was from a newsgroup about me talking about
it being caused by SP3. And all you have to do is to search the achieves
for the microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general newsgroup back in 2008
and this problem didn't show up until SP3 was released. And only those
that had installed SP3 had it. And I can vouch that only my XP SP3
machines does and my SP2 machines does not.

 

[Nil]

You even mentioned one link was from a newsgroup about me talking
about it being caused by SP3.

Talk about recursive logic... pointing to yourself as an authoritative
confirmation of yourself... I hope you're joking.

 

[BillW50]

In Nil typed:

Talk about recursive logic... pointing to yourself as an authoritative
confirmation of yourself... I hope you're joking.

Naw... just pop in the Outlook Express newsgroup and they will tell you
the very same as I have. It isn't any big secret that SP3 broke OE6
compacting. I think it was Bruce there who said it is a known bug and
said Microsoft is never going to fix it. So far he has been right.