F-Secure Anti-Virus

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Richard H

Why does Kaspersky AV have more VB100% awards, and a Check-mark trojan award
and F-Secure does not? One would expect that F-Secure would detect more
viruses than Kaspersky and Frisk/F-prot combined because F-Secure uses both
these engines and also comes with the F-Secure Orion Engine.
Please explain
TIA
 
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Christoph Cordes

Am Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:47:07 +0100 schrieb Richard H:
Why does Kaspersky AV have more VB100% awards, and a Check-mark trojan award
and F-Secure does not? One would expect that F-Secure would detect more
viruses than Kaspersky and Frisk/F-prot combined because F-Secure uses both
these engines and also comes with the F-Secure Orion Engine.
Please explain
TIA
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F-Secure uses the _engines_ but they create their own signatures. So if
Kaspersky comes with more signatures they will detect more. Simple - huh?
:)

hth

Christoph
 
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optikl

Christoph Cordes said:
Am Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:47:07 +0100 schrieb Richard H:


F-Secure uses the _engines_ but they create their own signatures. So if
Kaspersky comes with more signatures they will detect more. Simple - huh?
:)

hth

Christoph
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I don't think so. The Kaspersky engine uses the Kaspersky signatures. Why
would you think they'd create their own?
 
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Jeffrey A. Setaro

Why does Kaspersky AV have more VB100% awards, and a Check-mark trojan award
and F-Secure does not? One would expect that F-Secure would detect more
viruses than Kaspersky and Frisk/F-prot combined because F-Secure uses both
these engines and also comes with the F-Secure Orion Engine.
Please explain
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There are several reasons... Your best bet is to look through the back
issues in the Virus Bulletin archive
<http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives/index.xml>.

If memory serves older versions of FSAV didn't scan extensionless files
by default.
TIA
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Your welcome. HTH.

--
Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro <at> mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34
 
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Christoph Cordes

Am Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:29:16 +0000 schrieb optikl:
I don't think so. The Kaspersky engine uses the Kaspersky signatures. Why
would you think they'd create their own?
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Well, first of all they would have to maintain 3 sets of signatures
(F-Prot, KAV, Orion).

Then they would have to wait for KAV and Frisk if some new virus comes
up. But they have a own AV-Response Team.

And finally - they say so (i have some german article about that - dunno
how reliable this info is.).

Of course it's possible that i'm totally wrong and they realy use the
original KAV-signatures - but why do they update at least twice a day,
while KAV only gets one update? I mean - would KAV give them updated
signatures before they publish it for their own customers? Same with Frisk
- they do not update their signatures as often as F-Secure does.


regards

Christoph
 
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optikl

Christoph Cordes said:
And finally - they say so (i have some german article about that - dunno
how reliable this info is.).
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Can you post the source of that? I'd be interested in reading it, unless it
is written in German language (I'm limited to Spanish & French).
 
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Jeffrey A. Setaro

Am Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:29:16 +0000 schrieb optikl:


Well, first of all they would have to maintain 3 sets of signatures
(F-Prot, KAV, Orion).

Then they would have to wait for KAV and Frisk if some new virus comes
up. But they have a own AV-Response Team.

And finally - they say so (i have some german article about that - dunno
how reliable this info is.).
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F-Secure has the ability to generate signatures for the F-Prot engine.
Not sure about the Kaspersky engine.
Of course it's possible that i'm totally wrong and they realy use the
original KAV-signatures - but why do they update at least twice a day,
while KAV only gets one update? I mean - would KAV give them updated
signatures before they publish it for their own customers? Same with Frisk
- they do not update their signatures as often as F-Secure does.
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Kaspersky releases signature updates (daily.avc) once or twice
(sometimes three) time a day. F-Secure doesn't, under normal
circumstances, update both engines twice a day. Normally the the
signatures for the Kaspersky engine are updated in the morning followed
by the F-Prot engine latter in the day.

--
Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro <at> mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34
 
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Fridrik Skulason

Christoph Cordes said:
Same with Frisk
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- they do not update their signatures as often as F-Secure does.
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Actually it is not quite that simple. We update our in-house
definitions multiple times per day. F-Secure gets access to those
in-house versions, and they make their decisions on which ones to
release independently of our own release schedule.

With the release of version 4.0 of F-PROT, we will start releasing
DEF-file updates faster than we do currently, as that version supports
incremental updates, so users don't have to download the entire file
every time.

-frisk
 
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Christoph Cordes

Am Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:06:12 -0700 schrieb Fridrik Skulason:
Actually it is not quite that simple. We update our in-house
definitions multiple times per day. F-Secure gets access to those
in-house versions, and they make their decisions on which ones to
release independently of our own release schedule.

With the release of version 4.0 of F-PROT, we will start releasing
DEF-file updates faster than we do currently, as that version supports
incremental updates, so users don't have to download the entire file
every time.

-frisk
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Finally a competent response - so i guess my info was wrong. But one thing
i would like to know - do you supply "raw" signatures that F-Secure
converts into a own signature-file or do they realy maintain 3 different
databases ?

Another thing - why can i get a product that contains your engine and your
signatures (= your product) AND another great engine (KAV) AND a personal
firewall for 50 Euro while i pay for F-Prot as "stand-alone" more than 85
euro?
(Maybe the wrong place for such a question, but i take my chance ;) )

thx

Christoph
 
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Algjor Bjani

Finally a competent response - so i guess my info was wrong. But one thing
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i would like to know - do you supply "raw" signatures that F-Secure
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converts into a own signature-file or do they realy maintain 3 different
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databases ?
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Most of the time they just re-distribute our .DEF files, but they
sometimes make their own - in particular the MACRO.DEF file.
Another thing - why can i get a product that contains your engine and your
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signatures (= your product) AND another great engine (KAV) AND a personal
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firewall for 50 Euro while i pay for F-Prot as "stand-alone" more than 85
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euro?
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85 euro? That would be our price for a 20-user license, and compared
to what others are charging, I don't consider it unfair. As for
F-Secure, I don't know what their price list is like - they are one of
the companies that license our technology, but we have no control over
their pricing, and limited information on it....If they are selling a
20-user license for 50 euro, it sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
 
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Jari Lehtonen

Another thing - why can i get a product that contains your engine and your
signatures (= your product) AND another great engine (KAV) AND a personal
firewall for 50 Euro while i pay for F-Prot as "stand-alone" more than 85
euro?
(Maybe the wrong place for such a question, but i take my chance ;) )
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F-secure has also F-Secure Internet Security 2003 which has
firewallpart too. I am not 100% sure which av engines it uses, but I
think it uses just f-prot, KAV and its own.
It costs 69 euros, so it is more expensive than you hope.
Jari
 
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Christoph Cordes

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Christoph Cordes

Am Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:15:09 -0700 schrieb Algjor Bjani:
Most of the time they just re-distribute our .DEF files, but they
sometimes make their own - in particular the MACRO.DEF file.
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Thx for the info.

85 euro? That would be our price for a 20-user license, and compared
to what others are charging, I don't consider it unfair. As for
F-Secure, I don't know what their price list is like - they are one of
the companies that license our technology, but we have no control over
their pricing, and limited information on it....If they are selling a
20-user license for 50 euro, it sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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I dont think the price is unfair - only pretty high compared to others - i
thought. I don't want a 20 user licence, just a single one for my little
winbox. Of course you can't control the pricing of F-secure or others -
but maybe you can control your distributors.

Just to explain the 85 (88 even) euro:

As the german i am i'm lazy and smallminded by nature ;)

So i entered www.f-prot.DE in my browser 6 days ago and the page of
PerComp came up -fully german - perfect for me.
I just clicked on "Webshop" and on the Frisk-Logo. And there we have it -
"EU-Bewohner zahlen EUR 88.00 inkl. 16% MwSt".
That was a bit much - so i decided to buy KAV - at www.Kaspersky.DE
for just 49.95 . Today i took a look at www.f-prot.com and saw that you
offer F-Prot for only 24.95 - well, too late, maybe next year :/ Sorry...

regards
Christoph
 
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Fridrik Skulason

Christoph Cordes said:
So i entered www.f-prot.DE in my browser 6 days ago and the page of
PerComp came up -fully german - perfect for me.
I just clicked on "Webshop" and on the Frisk-Logo. And there we have it -
"EU-Bewohner zahlen EUR 88.00 inkl. 16% MwSt".
That was a bit much - so i decided to buy KAV - at www.Kaspersky.DE
for just 49.95 . Today i took a look at www.f-prot.com and saw that you
offer F-Prot for only 24.95 - well, too late, maybe next year :/ Sorry...
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The difference being that in once case you get a German version with
local support from perComp and in the other case you get the English
version from us...those two are priced quite differenly.

-frisk
 
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Jari Lehtonen

The Orion engine is optimized for detecting Windows specific polymorphic
viruses by using code based emulation & heuristic analysis.
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If only F-secure could adopt the extra definitions that Kaspersky
provides for dialers, pornware, adware etc...

jari
 
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Jeffrey A. Setaro

If only F-secure could adopt the extra definitions that Kaspersky
provides for dialers, pornware, adware etc...
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I haven't tried it but should be able to manually add those definition
files and the corresponding avp.set to the FSAV program folder.

--
Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro <at> mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34
 

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