Explain this

[Adam Albright]

"Save" or "Save as" a conventionally used by programs that modify or create
files.

Really? Save and Save as is used by nearly all Windows based programs.
For example when you are surfing the web and see a image file you want
to have a copy of you right click on it, the context menu pops up and
asks "save picture as..." then spawns Windows Explorer and asks for a
file name you wish to SAVE the file under and optionally change the
folder where it gets saved.

For your further education, which is sorely lacking, a file doesn't
not need to be modified or created to be saved. It simply needs to
exist. Your problem, laughable, for somebody claiming to have worked
for Microsoft in System Development is you don't know a damn thing
about paths, Searching or where files get stored under Windows. You
don't even know what save means. Too funny for words!

Mobipocket Reader does nothing of the sort. It downloads eBooks
from online bookstores for reading, or optionally reads eBooks that you
create yourself using other software.

You keep saying what Mobipocket doesn't do and as of yet never really
say what it actually DOES do, hence why you're not getting any useful
answers. To READ or ACCESS some ebook or any file for that matter you
either needs to link to some external source off your computer or it
takes you to where you SAVED a copy on your hard drive. You think you
might tell us WHICH one it supports one of these days?

People have offered reasons WHY you can't find the files you're
looking for, but you don't seem to be interested so we keep going in
circles.

It does not have a "Save" menu. It
is a reader, something like Abobe Reader.

Adobe's Reader DOES have a save option (not surprised you didn't know
that either) so you can save PDF documents on your computer, otherwise
you would constantly have to return to the site you found the PDF
document on in order to read it again.

This seems to be the point you're not getting and why people keep
asking if you "saved" the file on your system (your computer) or if
you only view it externally by returning to some linked site. I can't
explain it another way. Needs to be one or the other. Yet you remain
pigheaded and say Mobipocker Reader doesn't save anything.

It does have an interface for
telling it where the "Library" is located, which looks like a conventional
Windows file browser interface.

Well fella, what kind of a library would it be if it doesn't have any
books? Electronic or hard copy versions? You keep making the absurd
comment it has a library, yet doesn't SAVE any documents to it.
Clearly you know next to nothing on this topic.

This would have been a good time to tell us WHERE this library is
suppose to be located for starters, then you might find the files
you're looking for, but you still haven't said.

What you're doing is similar to answering yes if the waiter asks if
you want soup or salad. Yes, tells him nothing, you haven't made a
choice. He thinks you are nuts, you think he's nuts, since you
answered, but the answer you gave doesn't mean anything.

One more time, WHERE are the files you're reading STORED if you don't
like the word saved. Are they on your computer (which seems to be the
case since you originally offered a path) or on some external source
you return to?

Hint: The reason you can't find the files is you don't have a damn
clue when the program YOU are running puts them. That's pretty sad.

I opened the Library settings interface, created a folder, told Mobipocket
to use that folder, and then downloaded seventy Megabytes worth of
previously purchased eBooks there.

Maybe you'll answer now. You're at the point you DOWNLOADED seventy MB
worth of ebooks. WHERE DID YOU INSTRUCT Mobipocket to put them?

If you can't remember or just don't know, THEN SAY SO. I'm not a mind
reader. I find it laughable unless you're a six year old kid that you
don't know the path to where you saved over 70 MB worth of documents.
It is your computer is it not? You don't seem to have a clue what it
does with files you "purchase". Can you begin to guess how dumb that
makes you look?

The bottom line, YOUR WORDS, is your downloaded 70 mb worth of files.
Then logically they got SAVED somewhere on your computer. Otherwise
what was the point?

You seem to be in denial over semantics suggesting this "library" you
admit is in a folder isn't saved. If you purchased some ebooks it
would be logical to assume you took delivery which in this context
would mean your downloaded and saved them even if you think you
haven't. If not, then perhaps you have an account where they're saved
on some external server. This context would be similar to having a
online brokerage account. You don't take physical delivery of the
stock, yet you have full access to selling and buying stocks online in
your account.

The problem is you haven't told us WHERE your ebooks you said you
can't find are, meaning not the precise location, just simply
somewhere eon your computer (probably) or elsewhere yet you accuse me
of not understanding. The result is a game of twenty questions. I'm
trying to help you, but you give me nothing useful, so I'm forced to
guess.

I have to do this every time I move the
program to another computer or set up a new operating system from scratch.

Geez, now you are compounding what you originally said now saying you
move files around different computers. Clearly you don't how to
clearly present your problem in text and worse, you keep changing what
your problem is. Perhaps English isn't your native language?

This is because Mobipocket creates an encryption key using data that
identify the computer and motherboard where you have it installed, maybe
install time, who knows. Then you go to their web site and fill out a form,
saying you have a changed reader device. On the next download attempt, the
eBooks are encrypted to your new device. I have done this maybe twenty
times, and I have gotten quite good at it.

You don't think this would have been important to share with us in the
beginning?

The process does not work as expected on Vista, if you try to put the
library in Program Files, because the folder is "virtualized".

Define virtualized and library. I need to ask you that since you're
all over the map making up terms that make no sense like you insisting
that Mobipocket doesn't save files, yet you originally came to this
newsgroup looking for 70 MB worth of files you said you lost. You're
starting to give me a headache.

However the Mobipocket Reader file browser dialog the Library and the eBooks are
shown as being installed right where you intended to put them. What is
worse, is that Vista Search cannot find the files.

Based on your new information, maybe because the files are encrypted
and/or Mobipocket Reader sets up a different path every time you
switch computers, user name, whatever. Again, laughable that you on
one hand claim to have used this program for years, yet can't answer
even the simplest questions about it, like where it saves files. You
even deny it saves files, yet you asked us to help you find them.
Grrrr...

After the one useful
post in this thread I was able to find them, but that was not your post. I
used to work in Microsoft system development.

That explains a lot, now don't it. <snicker>

Reality Check: You have very poor communication skills and can't
present your problem so people can try to help you. Then you do a
Frankie and blame the other guy for your failings.

Priceless!

My reaction to this
circumstance is that the system developers took to smoking crack after I
left, or perhaps the pressure of all that malware, viruses and poorly
written applications drove the program managers insane. Whatever, I had to
move my Library location that I had been using for some years.

You sure you're not smoking something? Drinking? On drugs?

Your post was just a basket full of red herrings. First, you suggested that
Mobipocket Reader did not actually work with local disk files, that the
eBooks were some sort of virtualized pdf file out in cyberspace somewhere.
Although this theory was interesting, it was false. Then you disputed that
I had seventy Megabytes of eBooks.

Damn man, you're more messed up than Frank. You're the one that said
you were looking for 70 MB worth of files. How would I or anyone else
know how many files you were looking for? Further you were asked
repeatedly WHERE these files were suppose to be and you still haven't
answered. So of course, blame me for guessing trying to help you.
You've said the program doesn't save files, yet you give a long
convoluted path where they're suppose to be.

Your other suggestions were equally
risible.

Oh really? It was you, not I, then came looking for help or have you
forgot?

What had happened, is that Vista had saved the folders and files
in my local application data folders, and maintained virtualized copies of
them in Program Files. A question that remains is why Vista Search could
not find them.

You've just got done telling us YOU worked in Microsoft's System
Development and now you admit you were clueless how Windows saves
files?

ROTFLAMO!

I checked your other posts in this news group and in Google. You don't
actually know anything about computers, operating systems or people and you
are a big Rush Limbaugh fan. That is enough for me to discount everything
that you say. And here is the promised Spanish lesson. Eres un morón, un
Klugscheißer, vete a la reputísima madre que te parió. Study and learn from
your betters, and you may improve with time. Lárgate, y peques no más.

Saludos cordiales,

I've learned from you...you got a BIG ego, got it bruised, came
begging to a newsgroup for a simple 'can't find my files problem',
didn't have a clue how to use Vista's Search, then admitted you worked
for Microsoft as a System Developer, but have no idea where Windows
routinely moves/saves files, and now say I'm the one that doesn't know
anything about computers.

Say, you some long lost cousin of Frank's? Sure sounds like it Bozo.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

You're welcome. And yes, if they're shared files, it would make a lot of
sense to move them out of the user hierarchy and put them in a common or
shared folder.

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Thanks a lot. I found the files and that was the big thing. In Windows
Explorer they showed up after a while as "Compatibility Files". The
problem with the path virtualization is that other users cannot find the
files. I put the eBooks in C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library, but when another user looks there it doesn't exist.
C:\ProgramData looks like a better place because it works for different
users.

Thanks. On to the Next Vista Mystery.

Earle

That's not really the reason the change was made, rather the effect.
There are many articles out there that explain program versus data
virtualization far better than I can and in this case google is your
friend.

But to your core question, depending on the app, you should be able to
put
those ebooks anywhere you want to, so long as the program will look for
them there. If it's a doofy program with hard-coded paths and such you
may not be able to move them.

But again, due to virtualization of the path, any app that needs to find
them should easily be able to do so - it's not limited to just the eBook
reader program. You should be able to leave them where they are and
browse to them and/or set other program's default settings to see them in
C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library - no extra work
for you there.


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Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to
other
users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on
this computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the
eBooks to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand
if they are in my application data then other users may not be able to
use them.

Will it work to put the eBooks here?

C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf

So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
application data folder?

Cheers,

Earle

Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find
your data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files

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Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library, and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I
can't see this folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't
cd to it or dir its contents in command prompt running as
administrator,
but yet all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back up
these
files to a cd. How do I do that?

Thanks.

Earle

 

[Earle Horton]

Apart from theoretical considerations (i.e., "could-be, should-be,
might-be"), have you found your missing books on your HD?

They were right where Mr. Harper said they would be. Please try to follow
the thread next time. Nothing to do with "hidden", "read only" or "system"
attributes. I knew it would be a Vista thing. That's why I asked here.

Are you now able to navigate to them from within Explorer?

Well yeah, after moving them to a non-virtualized folder. If you try to put
files like this in Program Files under Vista you are just asking for
problems. The folks in Redmond (or Bangalore) may have their reasons for
doing things this way, but to me it just seems as if they're all smoking
crack or overreacting to the virus/malware threat.

If not, I suggest that you approach Mobipocket for support from now
on.

It had nothing to do with Mobipocket. I didn't think it would. It was a
Vista quirk. That's why I asked about it here. Nothing to do with
"hidden", "read only" or "system" attributes.

You don't seem to like our advice, so get it from the ones you "should
be" getting it from (i.e., "the creators of the program".)

You're advice was particularly useless, but apparently well intentioned. I
already knew all about "hidden", "read only" or "system" attributes, but I
didn't think it worth mentioning. This is a very high-noise news group. If
you're fishing for a "thank you" well thank you, but your advice had
absolutely nothing to do with my problem. It is important for you to know
that.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

 

[Earle Horton]

If you need to share the library with multiple users on the same PC
then store your library under the C:\Users\Public\ folder.

Thanks I will have to consider that too.

Earle

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

Really? Save and Save as is used by nearly all Windows based programs.
For example when you are surfing the web and see a image file you want
to have a copy of you right click on it, the context menu pops up and
asks "save picture as..." then spawns Windows Explorer and asks for a
file name you wish to SAVE the file under and optionally change the
folder where it gets saved.

For your further education, which is sorely lacking, a file doesn't
not need to be modified or created to be saved. It simply needs to
exist. Your problem, laughable, for somebody claiming to have worked
for Microsoft in System Development is you don't know a damn thing
about paths, Searching or where files get stored under Windows. You
don't even know what save means. Too funny for words!


You keep saying what Mobipocket doesn't do and as of yet never really
say what it actually DOES do, hence why you're not getting any useful
answers. To READ or ACCESS some ebook or any file for that matter you
either needs to link to some external source off your computer or it
takes you to where you SAVED a copy on your hard drive. You think you
might tell us WHICH one it supports one of these days?

People have offered reasons WHY you can't find the files you're
looking for, but you don't seem to be interested so we keep going in
circles.


Adobe's Reader DOES have a save option (not surprised you didn't know
that either) so you can save PDF documents on your computer, otherwise
you would constantly have to return to the site you found the PDF
document on in order to read it again.

This seems to be the point you're not getting and why people keep
asking if you "saved" the file on your system (your computer) or if
you only view it externally by returning to some linked site. I can't
explain it another way. Needs to be one or the other. Yet you remain
pigheaded and say Mobipocker Reader doesn't save anything.


Well fella, what kind of a library would it be if it doesn't have any
books? Electronic or hard copy versions? You keep making the absurd
comment it has a library, yet doesn't SAVE any documents to it.
Clearly you know next to nothing on this topic.

This would have been a good time to tell us WHERE this library is
suppose to be located for starters, then you might find the files
you're looking for, but you still haven't said.

What you're doing is similar to answering yes if the waiter asks if
you want soup or salad. Yes, tells him nothing, you haven't made a
choice. He thinks you are nuts, you think he's nuts, since you
answered, but the answer you gave doesn't mean anything.

One more time, WHERE are the files you're reading STORED if you don't
like the word saved. Are they on your computer (which seems to be the
case since you originally offered a path) or on some external source
you return to?

Hint: The reason you can't find the files is you don't have a damn
clue when the program YOU are running puts them. That's pretty sad.

Maybe you'll answer now. You're at the point you DOWNLOADED seventy MB
worth of ebooks. WHERE DID YOU INSTRUCT Mobipocket to put them?

If you can't remember or just don't know, THEN SAY SO. I'm not a mind
reader. I find it laughable unless you're a six year old kid that you
don't know the path to where you saved over 70 MB worth of documents.
It is your computer is it not? You don't seem to have a clue what it
does with files you "purchase". Can you begin to guess how dumb that
makes you look?

The bottom line, YOUR WORDS, is your downloaded 70 mb worth of files.
Then logically they got SAVED somewhere on your computer. Otherwise
what was the point?

You seem to be in denial over semantics suggesting this "library" you
admit is in a folder isn't saved. If you purchased some ebooks it
would be logical to assume you took delivery which in this context
would mean your downloaded and saved them even if you think you
haven't. If not, then perhaps you have an account where they're saved
on some external server. This context would be similar to having a
online brokerage account. You don't take physical delivery of the
stock, yet you have full access to selling and buying stocks online in
your account.

The problem is you haven't told us WHERE your ebooks you said you
can't find are, meaning not the precise location, just simply
somewhere eon your computer (probably) or elsewhere yet you accuse me
of not understanding. The result is a game of twenty questions. I'm
trying to help you, but you give me nothing useful, so I'm forced to
guess.


Geez, now you are compounding what you originally said now saying you
move files around different computers. Clearly you don't how to
clearly present your problem in text and worse, you keep changing what
your problem is. Perhaps English isn't your native language?


You don't think this would have been important to share with us in the
beginning?

Define virtualized and library. I need to ask you that since you're
all over the map making up terms that make no sense like you insisting
that Mobipocket doesn't save files, yet you originally came to this
newsgroup looking for 70 MB worth of files you said you lost. You're
starting to give me a headache.


Based on your new information, maybe because the files are encrypted
and/or Mobipocket Reader sets up a different path every time you
switch computers, user name, whatever. Again, laughable that you on
one hand claim to have used this program for years, yet can't answer
even the simplest questions about it, like where it saves files. You
even deny it saves files, yet you asked us to help you find them.
Grrrr...


That explains a lot, now don't it. <snicker>

Reality Check: You have very poor communication skills and can't
present your problem so people can try to help you. Then you do a
Frankie and blame the other guy for your failings.

Priceless!


You sure you're not smoking something? Drinking? On drugs?

Damn man, you're more messed up than Frank. You're the one that said
you were looking for 70 MB worth of files. How would I or anyone else
know how many files you were looking for? Further you were asked
repeatedly WHERE these files were suppose to be and you still haven't
answered. So of course, blame me for guessing trying to help you.
You've said the program doesn't save files, yet you give a long
convoluted path where they're suppose to be.


Oh really? It was you, not I, then came looking for help or have you
forgot?


You've just got done telling us YOU worked in Microsoft's System
Development and now you admit you were clueless how Windows saves
files?

ROTFLAMO!

I've learned from you...you got a BIG ego, got it bruised, came
begging to a newsgroup for a simple 'can't find my files problem',
didn't have a clue how to use Vista's Search, then admitted you worked
for Microsoft as a System Developer, but have no idea where Windows
routinely moves/saves files, and now say I'm the one that doesn't know
anything about computers.

Well-said, Adam.

Your summation of the interplay between the OP and those who have
replied in an attempt to help is priceless. You must be a trial
attorney, or must have been one in a previous life.

A fine piece of "rip the man to shreds", there.


Donald L McDaniel
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