Explain this

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Earle Horton

I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
do that?

Thanks.

Earle
 
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Donald L McDaniel

I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
do that?

Thanks.

Earle

It sounds like all these files have the "R-H-S" Attributes set.
That is, they are "hidden", "read-only", and "system".

To be able to see them, open the Folder Options Control Panel, and set
the View to be able to see such files/folders.

To make them appear, do this:
1) Open "Folder Options" in Control Panel.
2) Click on the "View" tab
3) Go down the list till you come to "Hidden files and folders".
4) Make sure the Radio button beside "Show hidden files and folders"
is activated. If it is activated, there will be a small dot in the
center. If not, there will be none.
5) Click on "Apply" then "Ok".

Then you should be able to see the folder and files.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread.
========================================================
 
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Earle Horton

Donald L McDaniel said:
It sounds like all these files have the "R-H-S" Attributes set.
That is, they are "hidden", "read-only", and "system".

To be able to see them, open the Folder Options Control Panel, and set
the View to be able to see such files/folders.

To make them appear, do this:
1) Open "Folder Options" in Control Panel.
2) Click on the "View" tab
3) Go down the list till you come to "Hidden files and folders".
4) Make sure the Radio button beside "Show hidden files and folders"
is activated. If it is activated, there will be a small dot in the
center. If not, there will be none.
5) Click on "Apply" then "Ok".

Then you should be able to see the folder and files.
That's not it. I am seeing all kinds of previously hidden files now such as
"Installshield Installation Information" folder and "MSOCache" but no
Mobipocket Library folder. I know it is somewhere because Mobipocket Reader
says it has all my eBooks stored and it is able to open them, but the only
place that C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library is
visible is from within Mobipocket Reader.

Right click Properties in the parent folder says that it contains 10.8
Megabytes, but I have 70 Megabytes worth of eBooks in the Library.

I have to conclude that Mobipocket Reader has placed the files elsewhere,
but where?

Thanks.

Earle
 
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Adam Albright

That's not it. I am seeing all kinds of previously hidden files now such as
"Installshield Installation Information" folder and "MSOCache" but no
Mobipocket Library folder. I know it is somewhere because Mobipocket Reader
says it has all my eBooks stored and it is able to open them, but the only
place that C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library is
visible is from within Mobipocket Reader.

Right click Properties in the parent folder says that it contains 10.8
Megabytes, but I have 70 Megabytes worth of eBooks in the Library.

I have to conclude that Mobipocket Reader has placed the files elsewhere,
but where?

Thanks.

Earle


You can try to have Vista find the files for you using Advance Search.
Assumes you know what the file extension is or at least a partial name
of one of the files.

Also if Mobipocket Reader has a File option on it's menu it probably
has a 'save as' path. That is probably where your files are hiding. So
you might find what you're looking for by just pretending you're going
to save a file and it should point to the last path\folder it used.
 
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Richard G. Harper

Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find your
data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files
 
T

TDM

You might try using the /a option to a dir
command from a shell. Vista supports symbolic links,
and this should show you if a link exists.


TDM
 
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Earle Horton

Adam Albright said:
You can try to have Vista find the files for you using Advance Search.
Assumes you know what the file extension is or at least a partial name
of one of the files.

I have file extensions and full names. For example, one of my dictionaries
is according to Mobipocket Reader:

C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library\VoxAdvancedEnglishSpanish.prc

Vista can't find it, either by fully qualified file name or base file name.
But Mobipocket Reader can open and read it no problem.
Also if Mobipocket Reader has a File option on it's menu it probably
has a 'save as' path. That is probably where your files are hiding. So
you might find what you're looking for by just pretending you're going
to save a file and it should point to the last path\folder it used.
Mobipocket Reader doesn't "save" files. It only "opens" them or "downloads"
from your online bookshelf. There are eighteen books that I have downloaded
from my online bookshelf, that Mobipocket Reader is now able to open local
copies, but Vista can't find them anywhere, least of all in the location
where Mobipocket Reader says they are. The download path points to the
directory that as far as I can tell doesn't exist.

Thanks.

Earle
 
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Adam Albright

I have file extensions and full names. For example, one of my dictionaries
is according to Mobipocket Reader:

C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library\VoxAdvancedEnglishSpanish.prc

Vista can't find it, either by fully qualified file name or base file name.
But Mobipocket Reader can open and read it no problem.

Are you sure it is being saved on your system or is some link just
being created to access the file on some web site?

In your earlier post you said properties says there's 10.8 MB, you
then you said you have 70 MB of ebooks in the library. How do you know
that? In other words where is your 70 MB figure coming from?

Also in the above example you show the path with a file ending in
..prc. Have you used Advanced Search to search your entire system
looking for that file type being sure to look EVERYWHERE and include
non indexed locations? The idea is really just to find one file with
that extension and chances are you'll find them all regardless where
on your system, if they are on your system... I'm beginning to doubt
that's where they are.
Mobipocket Reader doesn't "save" files.

See, now that's confusing. You're all over the map. You start out
saying there's a difference between the total when you click on
properties and what you think should be there, now you say Mobipocket
Reader doesn't save files. So I really don't know where else to direct
you on this because you're suggesting two totally opposite things. If
the files you're talking about aren't saved, then obviously they
aren't on YOUR computer, not physically, however the program may have
made some link to them somewhere else. ;-) That would explain why you
can't find them. They don't exist on your system.
It only "opens" them or "downloads"
from your online bookshelf.

I'm afraid we're getting into semantics. Open and download has very
different meaning. You could be "opening" a file and simply viewing
(reading) it on some web page. That isn't downloading, at least not in
the traditional sense and would explain why you can't find the files
on your own computer... they never get there.

When you open a file that simply means you've gained access to the
file while downloading implies you've copied the file from somewhere
to your system.
There are eighteen books that I have downloaded
from my online bookshelf, that Mobipocket Reader is now able to open local
copies, but Vista can't find them anywhere, least of all in the location
where Mobipocket Reader says they are. The download path points to the
directory that as far as I can tell doesn't exist.

Now you're back to downloading again. I'll just take a wild guess and
say maybe you're experiencing something similar to a PDF file that can
be download and saved on your own computer but also can be viewed and
read off your browser straight from the site it is stored on without
you ever actually downloading anything.

Sorry, we're not getting anywhere.
 
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Earle Horton

Adam Albright said:
Are you sure it is being saved on your system or is some link just
being created to access the file on some web site?

In your earlier post you said properties says there's 10.8 MB, you
then you said you have 70 MB of ebooks in the library. How do you know
that? In other words where is your 70 MB figure coming from?

Also in the above example you show the path with a file ending in
.prc. Have you used Advanced Search to search your entire system
looking for that file type being sure to look EVERYWHERE and include
non indexed locations? The idea is really just to find one file with
that extension and chances are you'll find them all regardless where
on your system, if they are on your system... I'm beginning to doubt
that's where they are.

See, now that's confusing. You're all over the map. You start out
saying there's a difference between the total when you click on
properties and what you think should be there, now you say Mobipocket
Reader doesn't save files. So I really don't know where else to direct
you on this because you're suggesting two totally opposite things. If
the files you're talking about aren't saved, then obviously they
aren't on YOUR computer, not physically, however the program may have
made some link to them somewhere else. ;-) That would explain why you
can't find them. They don't exist on your system.


I'm afraid we're getting into semantics. Open and download has very
different meaning. You could be "opening" a file and simply viewing
(reading) it on some web page. That isn't downloading, at least not in
the traditional sense and would explain why you can't find the files
on your own computer... they never get there.

When you open a file that simply means you've gained access to the
file while downloading implies you've copied the file from somewhere
to your system.


Now you're back to downloading again. I'll just take a wild guess and
say maybe you're experiencing something similar to a PDF file that can
be download and saved on your own computer but also can be viewed and
read off your browser straight from the site it is stored on without
you ever actually downloading anything.

Sorry, we're not getting anywhere.
Adam,

Putting this as nicely as possible, I don't want any more help from you.
Check Harper's response to my question.

Thanks.

Earle
 
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Earle Horton

That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to other
users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on this
computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the eBooks
to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand if they
are in my application data then other users may not be able to use them.

Will it work to put the eBooks here?

C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf

So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
application data folder?

Cheers,

Earle

Richard G. Harper said:
Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find your
data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Earle Horton said:
I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this
folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of
the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally.
What is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How
do I do that?

Thanks.

Earle
 
D

Dave Cox

I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on
Vista Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and
eNews library location set to C:\Program
Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library, and I have
downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet
all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back
up these files to a cd. How do I do that?

Thanks.

Earle

change the store location of the library to a place under your user
name, for an example.

c:\users\<your user name>\Documents\Mobipocket Reader Library\


I am not saying to change the program files for the mobipocket just the
store location of your library.
 
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Adam Albright

Adam,

Putting this as nicely as possible, I don't want any more help from you.
Check Harper's response to my question.

Thanks.

Putting this as nicely as possible it is YOUR fault not mine you don't
have a clue HOW to ask a question.
 
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Earle Horton

Dave Cox said:
change the store location of the library to a place under your user
name, for an example.

c:\users\<your user name>\Documents\Mobipocket Reader Library\


I am not saying to change the program files for the mobipocket just the
store location of your library.
That's not optimum because I share the eBooks, which are multi-lingual
dictionaries, with other users of the computer. It appears that Mobipocket
is not fully cognizant of Vista file structure, but I have to work with the
program as it is until a new version comes out. So far it appears that
c:\programdata is a reasonable choice for the library location.

Thanks.

Earle
 
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Earle Horton

Adam Albright said:
Putting this as nicely as possible it is YOUR fault not mine you don't
have a clue HOW to ask a question.
Go to http://groups.google.com, enter "Adam Albright" with the quotes.
Press "Search". 'nuff said.

Next time you're getting a Spanish lesson.

Perrea, perrea,

Earle
 
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Richard G. Harper

That's not really the reason the change was made, rather the effect. There
are many articles out there that explain program versus data virtualization
far better than I can and in this case google is your friend. :)

But to your core question, depending on the app, you should be able to put
those ebooks anywhere you want to, so long as the program will look for them
there. If it's a doofy program with hard-coded paths and such you may not
be able to move them.

But again, due to virtualization of the path, any app that needs to find
them should easily be able to do so - it's not limited to just the eBook
reader program. You should be able to leave them where they are and browse
to them and/or set other program's default settings to see them in
C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library - no extra work
for you there.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Earle Horton said:
That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to other
users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on
this computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the
eBooks to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand
if they are in my application data then other users may not be able to use
them.

Will it work to put the eBooks here?

C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf

So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
application data folder?

Cheers,

Earle

Richard G. Harper said:
Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find
your data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Earle Horton said:
I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library, and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I
can't see this folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd
to it or dir its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but
yet all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working
normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to
a cd. How do I do that?

Thanks.

Earle
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

That's not optimum because I share the eBooks, which are multi-lingual
dictionaries, with other users of the computer. It appears that Mobipocket
is not fully cognizant of Vista file structure, but I have to work with the
program as it is until a new version comes out. So far it appears that
c:\programdata is a reasonable choice for the library location.

Thanks.

Earle

Apart from theoretical considerations (i.e., "could-be, should-be,
might-be"), have you found your missing books on your HD?

Are you now able to navigate to them from within Explorer?

If not, I suggest that you approach Mobipocket for support from now
on.

You don't seem to like our advice, so get it from the ones you "should
be" getting it from (i.e., "the creators of the program".)


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread.
========================================================
 
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Earle Horton

Adam Albright said:
I'm still waiting for you to explain what you think downloading means.
"Save" or "Save as" a conventionally used by programs that modify or create
files. Mobipocket Reader does nothing of the sort. It downloads eBooks
from online bookstores for reading, or optionally reads eBooks that you
create yourself using other software. It does not have a "Save" menu. It
is a reader, something like Abobe Reader. It does have an interface for
telling it where the "Library" is located, which looks like a conventional
Windows file browser interface.

I opened the Library settings interface, created a folder, told Mobipocket
to use that folder, and then downloaded seventy Megabytes worth of
previously purchased eBooks there. I have to do this every time I move the
program to another computer or set up a new operating system from scratch.
This is because Mobipocket creates an encryption key using data that
identify the computer and motherboard where you have it installed, maybe
install time, who knows. Then you go to their web site and fill out a form,
saying you have a changed reader device. On the next download attempt, the
eBooks are encrypted to your new device. I have done this maybe twenty
times, and I have gotten quite good at it.

The process does not work as expected on Vista, if you try to put the
library in Program Files, because the folder is "virtualized". However, in
the Mobipocket Reader file browser dialog the Library and the eBooks are
shown as being installed right where you intended to put them. What is
worse, is that Vista Search cannot find the files. After the one useful
post in this thread I was able to find them, but that was not your post. I
used to work in Microsoft system development. My reaction to this
circumstance is that the system developers took to smoking crack after I
left, or perhaps the pressure of all that malware, viruses and poorly
written applications drove the program managers insane. Whatever, I had to
move my Library location that I had been using for some years.

Your post was just a basket full of red herrings. First, you suggested that
Mobipocket Reader did not actually work with local disk files, that the
eBooks were some sort of virtualized pdf file out in cyberspace somewhere.
Although this theory was interesting, it was false. Then you disputed that
I had seventy Megabytes of eBooks. Your other suggestions were equally
risible. What had happened, is that Vista had saved the folders and files
in my local application data folders, and maintained virtualized copies of
them in Program Files. A question that remains is why Vista Search could
not find them.

I checked your other posts in this news group and in Google. You don't
actually know anything about computers, operating systems or people and you
are a big Rush Limbaugh fan. That is enough for me to discount everything
that you say. And here is the promised Spanish lesson. Eres un morón, un
Klugscheißer, vete a la reputísima madre que te parió. Study and learn from
your betters, and you may improve with time. Lárgate, y peques no más.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle
 
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Dave Cox

If you need to share the library with multiple users on the same PC
then store your library under the C:\Users\Public\ folder.

Once you direct your program to that location, you will then be able
to backup and view the files with explorer without any changes to the
system or folder properties.

Sorry for not responding to my thread.......deleted it and can't
recover it for some reason.
 
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Earle Horton

Thanks a lot. I found the files and that was the big thing. In Windows
Explorer they showed up after a while as "Compatibility Files". The problem
with the path virtualization is that other users cannot find the files. I
put the eBooks in C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
but when another user looks there it doesn't exist. C:\ProgramData looks
like a better place because it works for different users.

Thanks. On to the Next Vista Mystery.

Earle

Richard G. Harper said:
That's not really the reason the change was made, rather the effect.
There are many articles out there that explain program versus data
virtualization far better than I can and in this case google is your
friend. :)

But to your core question, depending on the app, you should be able to put
those ebooks anywhere you want to, so long as the program will look for
them there. If it's a doofy program with hard-coded paths and such you
may not be able to move them.

But again, due to virtualization of the path, any app that needs to find
them should easily be able to do so - it's not limited to just the eBook
reader program. You should be able to leave them where they are and
browse to them and/or set other program's default settings to see them in
C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library - no extra work
for you there.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Earle Horton said:
That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to other
users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on
this computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the
eBooks to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand
if they are in my application data then other users may not be able to
use them.

Will it work to put the eBooks here?

C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf

So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
application data folder?

Cheers,

Earle

Richard G. Harper said:
Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find
your data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
Reader\Library, and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I
can't see this folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't
cd to it or dir its contents in command prompt running as administrator,
but yet all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back up these
files to a cd. How do I do that?

Thanks.

Earle
 

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