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measekite
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Frank
Of course you've contacted Media Street about your problem right?Alan said:My original post on this thread did not concern a cheap consumer inkjet, but
an Epson 2200 (US$650). Okay, maybe a cheap pro printer. But I can't be
replacing it every year because of clogged jets. My impression is that my
problem here has to do with the non-Epson inks I use (Media Street) with a
reservoir system. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the cartridges
don't get replaced, normally.
What was their recommended solution?
Frank
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zakezuke
My original post on this thread did not concern a cheap consumer inkjet, but
Hey I'd seriously consider a 2200. I rather thought you could e-bay
them for under $400, but clearly this may or may not be true depending
on the mood of the sellers.
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/WasteInk.asp
Anyone with an epson printer using bulk ink should seriously consider
rerouting of the waste ink to an external reservoir. Actually this
wouldn't be a bad idea for OEM users either, esp out of warranty OEM
users. I have no personal experence with the media street ink, but I
imagine it is possible that it requires more cleanings than OEM. But
the cleaning cycles on the epson are pretty massive to begin with.
But this is a fact of life on inkjets, more so on Epsons.
an Epson 2200 (US$650). Okay, maybe a cheap pro printer. But I can't be
replacing it every year because of clogged jets. My impression is that my
problem here has to do with the non-Epson inks I use (Media Street) with a
reservoir system. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the cartridges
don't get replaced, normally.
Hey I'd seriously consider a 2200. I rather thought you could e-bay
them for under $400, but clearly this may or may not be true depending
on the mood of the sellers.
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/WasteInk.asp
Anyone with an epson printer using bulk ink should seriously consider
rerouting of the waste ink to an external reservoir. Actually this
wouldn't be a bad idea for OEM users either, esp out of warranty OEM
users. I have no personal experence with the media street ink, but I
imagine it is possible that it requires more cleanings than OEM. But
the cleaning cycles on the epson are pretty massive to begin with.
But this is a fact of life on inkjets, more so on Epsons.
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measekite
Frank said:Of course you've contacted Media Street about your problem right?
What was their recommended solution?
Frank
THEY WOULD NOT TELL HIM WHO THE MFG/FORMULATOR WAS.
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zakezuke
they would not tell him who the mfg/formulator was
Media Street makes their own ink and paper. Their plug and play inks
might be made by Image Specalists but their mainstream products are
stuff they mfg and formulate. I do not understand why you continue to
lie on this subject.
We need good people who are critcal of 3rd party solutions who are
happy to play devils advocate and point out in all fairness and honesty
what OEM offers over the other guys. Why don't you do this?
Media Street makes their own ink and paper. Their plug and play inks
might be made by Image Specalists but their mainstream products are
stuff they mfg and formulate. I do not understand why you continue to
lie on this subject.
We need good people who are critcal of 3rd party solutions who are
happy to play devils advocate and point out in all fairness and honesty
what OEM offers over the other guys. Why don't you do this?
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Frank
Because he's an known idiot-a moron without a brain-a know nothingzakezuke said:Media Street makes their own ink and paper. Their plug and play inks
might be made by Image Specalists but their mainstream products are
stuff they mfg and formulate. I do not understand why you continue to
lie on this subject.
We need good people who are critcal of 3rd party solutions who are
happy to play devils advocate and point out in all fairness and honesty
what OEM offers over the other guys. Why don't you do this?
pretending to know something.
Kill file the jackass jerk and be done with him.
Frank
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zakezuke
got what you deserved
Let me understand this... someone bought a product in good faith and it
didn't fit, and you are experencing joy at their misfortune?
I like being right as much as the next man but there reaches a point
where it's just in bad taste. Perhaps you could learn something about
empathy.
A few words of wisdom for you...
1. Most of the 3rd party users here have no real issue. OEM might
offer an edge over some other solution but you your self have not
explained what that edge is.
2. Those who experence issues come here looking for support. These
are humans who deserve kindness and respect
3. This isn't a war. There is nothing wrong with competition on the
market for supplies, in fact competition between ink mfgs benifits the
consumer as it gives the main stream media providers a reason to make
their product better.
4. You don't experence personal injury every time someone makes a
choice to use a 3rd party product. There is no reason for you to be
obsessed with Canon OEM ink. Take a step back, develop some
objectivity, actually learn what options are available and establish a
rational why one might choose one or the other.
For example... I don't tell everyone not to use Canon OEM ink. I think
it's over priced for what it is, something that has been tested for 25
years under glass, or the new formula that has been tested for 10 years
exposed to air on premium OEM paper. This isn't all that great...
canon would be wise to offer consumers imageGRAFF pigments in consumer
models, perhaps with a nifty head upgrade. But I can respect anyone
who has used it and feels the price is worth it.
But alas, my words are wasted on you.. you'll just go into caps lock
nonsense mode and harrass me for expressing a different opinion even
though being a human being like your self I have the right to make my
own choices in what I buy.
Let me understand this... someone bought a product in good faith and it
didn't fit, and you are experencing joy at their misfortune?
I like being right as much as the next man but there reaches a point
where it's just in bad taste. Perhaps you could learn something about
empathy.
A few words of wisdom for you...
1. Most of the 3rd party users here have no real issue. OEM might
offer an edge over some other solution but you your self have not
explained what that edge is.
2. Those who experence issues come here looking for support. These
are humans who deserve kindness and respect
3. This isn't a war. There is nothing wrong with competition on the
market for supplies, in fact competition between ink mfgs benifits the
consumer as it gives the main stream media providers a reason to make
their product better.
4. You don't experence personal injury every time someone makes a
choice to use a 3rd party product. There is no reason for you to be
obsessed with Canon OEM ink. Take a step back, develop some
objectivity, actually learn what options are available and establish a
rational why one might choose one or the other.
For example... I don't tell everyone not to use Canon OEM ink. I think
it's over priced for what it is, something that has been tested for 25
years under glass, or the new formula that has been tested for 10 years
exposed to air on premium OEM paper. This isn't all that great...
canon would be wise to offer consumers imageGRAFF pigments in consumer
models, perhaps with a nifty head upgrade. But I can respect anyone
who has used it and feels the price is worth it.
But alas, my words are wasted on you.. you'll just go into caps lock
nonsense mode and harrass me for expressing a different opinion even
though being a human being like your self I have the right to make my
own choices in what I buy.
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Arthur Entlich
Yeah, that's fine that you found a system that is acceptable to you, but
I do not believe you are producing archival art paints.
Good luck finding a truly non-fugitive ink to run through the Canon
printer you use.
The O.P. had this ink because the permanence it imparted was required to
Ted other side of the coin, the merchants.
I do not believe you are producing archival art paints.
Good luck finding a truly non-fugitive ink to run through the Canon
printer you use.
The O.P. had this ink because the permanence it imparted was required to
Ted other side of the coin, the merchants.
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measekite
zakezuke said:Media Street makes their own ink and paper.
OH YEAH A BIG PAPER MILL HA HA HA
M
measekite
Frank said:Because he's an known idiot-a moron without a brain-a know nothing
pretending to know something.
Kill file the jackass jerk and be done with him.
Frank
Because Frank's an known idiot-a moron without a brain-a know nothing
pretending to know something.
Kill file the jackass jerk and be done with him.
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zakezuke
oh yeah a big paper mill ha ha ha
Yes, you are pretty ignorant.
Do they make paper from pulp? Not that I'm aware
Do they have a system of inks and papers? Yes
Do they formulate their own coating on their paper? Yes
Canon offers a system of inks and papers that work well together. So
does Media Street. If you had done as much research as you say you
would know this already. I've done very little research and I'm aware
of this. I have no idea why why you feel the need to ignore facts.
Someone like you self should focus their engery on pointing out
benifits of OEM solutions vs the other guys, and huge difference
between ink mfgs/suppliers is some offer a system and others offer just
ink. Epson is pretty good... they would be tough to beat.
Yes, you are pretty ignorant.
Do they make paper from pulp? Not that I'm aware
Do they have a system of inks and papers? Yes
Do they formulate their own coating on their paper? Yes
Canon offers a system of inks and papers that work well together. So
does Media Street. If you had done as much research as you say you
would know this already. I've done very little research and I'm aware
of this. I have no idea why why you feel the need to ignore facts.
Someone like you self should focus their engery on pointing out
benifits of OEM solutions vs the other guys, and huge difference
between ink mfgs/suppliers is some offer a system and others offer just
ink. Epson is pretty good... they would be tough to beat.
M
measekite
zakezuke said:Yes, you are pretty ignorant.
Do they make paper from pulp? Not that I'm aware
Do they have a system of inks and papers? Yes
Do they formulate their own coating on their paper? Yes
Canon offers a system of inks and papers that work well together. So
does Media Street. If you had done as much research as you say you
would know this already. I've done very little research and
*IT SHOWS*
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zakezuke
I've done very little research and
Well with all due respect... you don't seem to have any information on
the subject what so ever. You seem to only have the ability to make
blanket statements that even when you are proven wrong continue to
raise a foot, switch to all caps, and repeat the same things over and
over again... even though you have no experence with ANY of these
products what so ever. While my research into the subject is minimal,
i've used a few non-standard solutions and have found your opinions to
be invalid to the extreme.
I would thank you kindly to actually apprach this subject with honesty
and integrity and allow users to make up their own minds.
*IT SHOWS*
Well with all due respect... you don't seem to have any information on
the subject what so ever. You seem to only have the ability to make
blanket statements that even when you are proven wrong continue to
raise a foot, switch to all caps, and repeat the same things over and
over again... even though you have no experence with ANY of these
products what so ever. While my research into the subject is minimal,
i've used a few non-standard solutions and have found your opinions to
be invalid to the extreme.
I would thank you kindly to actually apprach this subject with honesty
and integrity and allow users to make up their own minds.
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Alan Justice
They have yet to admit the problem has anything to do with them. They say
Epson inks clog too. They say it isn't the inks that make the reservoir
fill, but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. Of course, that
cycle occurs much, much more with Media Street inks & reservoirs than with
Epson, by far. They even say that one should turn off the printer after use
(I did not have to with Epson inks), but there is a cleaning cycle whenever
it is turned back on.
Epson inks clog too. They say it isn't the inks that make the reservoir
fill, but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. Of course, that
cycle occurs much, much more with Media Street inks & reservoirs than with
Epson, by far. They even say that one should turn off the printer after use
(I did not have to with Epson inks), but there is a cleaning cycle whenever
it is turned back on.
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measekite
Alan said:They have yet to admit the problem has anything to do with them. They say
Epson inks clog too. They say it isn't the inks that make the reservoir
fill, but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. *Of course, that
cycle occurs much, much more with Media Street inks & reservoirs* than with
Epson, by far. They even say that one should turn off the printer after use
(I did not have to with Epson inks), but there is a cleaning cycle whenever
it is turned back on.
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Frank
Alan Justice wrote:
...but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. Of course, that
<--------------------------------------------------------------->
Indeed very curious. How do media street inks control the cleaning
cycles that generally are controlled by the printer driver? Are you
using Epson drivers or do media street provide 3rd party drivers with
their inks.
Frank
...but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. Of course, that
cycle occurs much, much more with Media Street inks & reservoirs than with
Epson, by far...
<--------------------------------------------------------------->
Indeed very curious. How do media street inks control the cleaning
cycles that generally are controlled by the printer driver? Are you
using Epson drivers or do media street provide 3rd party drivers with
their inks.
Frank
M
measekite
Frank said:Alan Justice wrote:
...but the number of times the cleaning cycle occurs. Of course, that
<--------------------------------------------------------------->
Indeed very curious. How do media street inks control the cleaning
cycles that generally are controlled by the printer driver? Are you
using Epson drivers or do media street provide 3rd party drivers with
their inks.
Frank
IF YOU NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION THAN YOU ARE REAL STUPID.
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Matt Zukowski
measekite said:if you need to ask that question than you are real stupid
Not at all, it's a legit question. Near as i'm aware media street only
provides a driver for use with their quad-black ink and even that is
basicly just a link to a shareware product that happens to have profiles
for mediastreet papers.
I imagine it's possible if you are not using epson chips that the epson
printer might clean it self more. I've not observed this my self but
it's a possible explanation. Could be that following directions, as in
turning the printer off results in more cleaning cycles resuing in a
full diaper. This is reasonable and likely the explanation. It could
be the fact that the archival inks offered by media street are more clog
prone and require more cleanings. This is reasonable as well but I have
no direct experence with their inks in epsons.
But regardless of the cause, if your going to be running a CIS system on
your Epson it is very wise to route the waste ink to a bin. The epson
does waste the ink... even oem ink.
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Alan Justice
The cleaning cycles occur more because I have to do them because they clog
more. This may not be the ink, but because the same cartridges are used
indefinitely. And turning off the printer after use seems to prevent some
clogging, but a cleaning cycle is done on startup each time.
more. This may not be the ink, but because the same cartridges are used
indefinitely. And turning off the printer after use seems to prevent some
clogging, but a cleaning cycle is done on startup each time.
A
Alan Justice
How do I reroute the ink? This problem happened after only 1 year,
requiring a new printer (under warranty, thankfully). Next year, another
new printer, or high cost to replace the pads.
requiring a new printer (under warranty, thankfully). Next year, another
new printer, or high cost to replace the pads.
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