Epson R800 vs. R320; user issues clarification

[floryhawk]

Hi, I have a 4-part question regarding these two printers. Sorry, it's
rather tedious. Any information truly appreciated.
1)Is it true that you can adapt the R320 to use pigment ink via a
continuous ink system and what does this entail in terms of cost and
usage (vs. the R800)? I need a printer that has archival capabilities.
I'm trying to preserve a large amount of genealogical data and need
this feature. However, I have a new R320 printer (as of yesterday) and
would like to use it if possible. (I could return it and buy a used
R800 on ebay if this isn't a good idea.)
2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely
frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up. I have to clean it
with each use and even then text barely is acceptable. If the R320 or
the R800 doesn't perform better, then I may scrap the Epson idea all
together. Any views on this issue?
3)Most of the data I'm working with is old newspaper clippings and very
old black and whit photos (not too many color photos actually). I may
be able to clean them up with Photoshop. However, I will be scanning
most of the data in using a UMAX Astra 2100U scanner at about 600dpi.
I'd hate to expend alot of time and energy on good output, only to have
the input lag sadly behind, i.e. am I getting the cart before the horse
here and for my needs is the R320 sufficient?
Thanks very much for any ideas or comments.

 

[SamSez]

2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely
frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up.

Just curious -- what ink are you using?

 

[measekite]

Hi, I have a 4-part question regarding these two printers. Sorry, it's
rather tedious. Any information truly appreciated.
1)Is it true that you can adapt the R320 to use pigment ink via a
continuous ink system and what does this entail in terms of cost and
usage (vs. the R800)? I need a printer that has archival capabilities.
I'm trying to preserve a large amount of genealogical data and need
this feature. However, I have a new R320 printer (as of yesterday) and
would like to use it if possible. (I could return it and buy a used
R800 on ebay if this isn't a good idea.)

YOU CAN BUT PIGMENTED INK (EVEN OEM) HAS A GREATER TENDENCY TO CLOG THAN
DYE INK. AFTERMARKET NO NAME GENERIC INK HAS AN EVEN GREATER TENDENCY
TO CLOG. SINCE YOUR PRINT LOAD MUST BE VERY VERY HIGH THAT AMOUNT MAY
REDUCE SOME OF THE RISK.

2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely
frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up.

JUST LIKE I SAID

I have to clean it
with each use and even then text barely is acceptable. If the R320 or
the R800 doesn't perform better, then I may scrap the Epson idea all
together. Any views on this issue?

JUST LIKE I SAID IN NUMBER 1

3)Most of the data I'm working with is old newspaper clippings and very
old black and whit photos (not too many color photos actually). I may
be able to clean them up with Photoshop. However, I will be scanning
most of the data in using a UMAX Astra 2100U scanner at about 600dpi.
I'd hate to expend alot of time and energy on good output, only to have
the input lag sadly behind, i.e. am I getting the cart before the horse
here and for my needs is the R320 sufficient?
Thanks very much for any ideas or comments.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER A LASER

 

[Rob]

Hi, I have a 4-part question regarding these two printers. Sorry, it's
rather tedious. Any information truly appreciated.
1)Is it true that you can adapt the R320 to use pigment ink via a
continuous ink system and what does this entail in terms of cost and
usage (vs. the R800)? I need a printer that has archival capabilities.
I'm trying to preserve a large amount of genealogical data and need
this feature. However, I have a new R320 printer (as of yesterday) and
would like to use it if possible. (I could return it and buy a used
R800 on ebay if this isn't a good idea.)



2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely
frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up. I have to clean it
with each use and even then text barely is acceptable. If the R320 or
the R800 doesn't perform better, then I may scrap the Epson idea all
together. Any views on this issue?
3)Most of the data I'm working with is old newspaper clippings and very
old black and whit photos (not too many color photos actually). I may
be able to clean them up with Photoshop. However, I will be scanning
most of the data in using a UMAX Astra 2100U scanner at about 600dpi.
I'd hate to expend alot of time and energy on good output, only to have
the input lag sadly behind, i.e. am I getting the cart before the horse
here and for my needs is the R320 sufficient?
Thanks very much for any ideas or comments.

600 dpi is a reasonable scan to work with.

I use pigment inks and a R1800 printer for such work. I don't think the
R320 has good enough archival properties I will not sell prints off my R210.

Have a look at Ink republic and see if they have any pigment inks to
suit the R210.

 

[measekite]

600 dpi is a reasonable scan to work with.

I use pigment inks and a R1800 printer for such work. I don't think
the R320 has good enough archival properties I will not sell prints
off my R210.

Have a look at Ink republic and see if they have any pigment inks to
suit the R210.

AFTER WHICH YOU CAN ENJOY THE PRINT CLOG

 

[SamSez]

@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

I never did get an answer to what ink was causing all those frustrating
clogs in that photo 780 printer... With that answered, perhaps the rest of
the question could be addressed.

 

[zakezuke]

Is it true that you can adapt the R320 to use pigment ink via a

continuous ink system and what does this entail in terms of cost and
usage (vs. the R800)?

I think one can pull the chips off the cartridge that came with the
printer and put them on a pigmented one and let her rip. *note* i'm
not saying this is a good idea, but if you wanted to experiment for the
lowest cost... you don't have to invest in a CIS system. In fact, you
would likely be better off investing in an r200/r210/r220 and either
aftermarket ink or OEM ink and pulling the chips on the cartridges, and
a chip resetter. If it fails you still have some OEM ink to sell or
use and it's a loss of $50 to $120 depending. Again not saying it's a
good idea. I've heard mixed things about putting pigmented ink through
an Epson.

2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely
frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up. I have to clean it
with each use and even then text barely is acceptable. If the R320 or
the R800 doesn't perform better, then I may scrap the Epson idea all
together. Any views on this issue?

Talk to arthur on that subject. He offers a cleaning manual. I've
found the epsons to be a tad fickle but worth it depending on your
application.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.periphs.printers/msg/0adb23cd8826eb54

 

[floryhawk]

Yes, it's true. I am using Staples Ink right now. Bad mistake on my
part. I'll try changing that out first and look into Arthur's 'cleaning
manual'. After reading these comments, I think I'll try the R320 w/CIS
and if it doesn't work, I'll buy a used R800. I guess I would be
willing to deal with some clogging if I felt like the quality of the
final product was good. Thanks for the comments. Sorry I didn't respond
sooner. I was gone this weekend (Okay I admit it, I was on a Toontown
binge... argh.)

 

[floryhawk]

I would consider a laser, but I haven't found one that is affordable
with archival quality prints....

 

[floryhawk]

I think I'll try this idea. Experimenting for the lowest cost is my
mantra. Thanks to everyong for the suggestions.

 

[measekite]

Yes, it's true. I am using Staples Ink right now. Bad mistake on my
part.
GROOVY

I'll try changing that out first and look into Arthur's 'cleaning
manual'. After reading these comments, I think I'll try the R320 w/CIS
and if it doesn't work, I'll buy a used R800.

YEAH, SOMEONE ELSES NIGHTMARE. BUY A NEW ONE AND USE OEM INK. THIS IS
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT I SAY.

I guess I would be
willing to deal with some clogging

FROM AFTERMARKET INK. TAHHYHO DOES NOT WANT TO ADMIT IT.

if I felt like the quality of the
final product was good. Thanks for the comments. Sorry I didn't respond
sooner. I was gone this weekend

WE MISSED YOU

 

[Rob]

@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

I never did get an answer to what ink was causing all those frustrating
clogs in that photo 780 printer... With that answered, perhaps the rest of
the question could be addressed.

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R200

looks as if they do have a pigment ink for these printers but you would
have to do some research if they work without problems.

 

[measekite]

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R200

looks as if they do have a pigment ink for these printers but you
would have to do some research if they work without problems.

NOT TOO LONG AGO THERE WERE A BUNCH OF MORONS WHO RECOMMENDED THIS
AFTERMARKET GENERIC INK. WELL FOLKS, HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CLOGGING.

 

[Rob]

NOT TOO LONG AGO THERE WERE A BUNCH OF MORONS WHO RECOMMENDED THIS
AFTERMARKET GENERIC INK. WELL FOLKS, HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CLOGGING.

can you point me to your research, where this is a proven fact.

like everone else says you are a prick

 

[measekite]

can you point me to your research, where this is a proven fact.

like everone else says you are a prick

YOU ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND CANNOT READ.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Hi, I have a 4-part question regarding these two printers. Sorry, it's
rather tedious. Any information truly appreciated.
1)Is it true that you can adapt the R320 to use pigment ink via a
continuous ink system and what does this entail in terms of cost and
usage (vs. the R800)? I need a printer that has archival capabilities.
I'm trying to preserve a large amount of genealogical data and need
this feature. However, I have a new R320 printer (as of yesterday) and
would like to use it if possible. (I could return it and buy a used
R800 on ebay if this isn't a good idea.)

Pretty much any Epson printer can run on pigment colorant inks, assuming
they are designed to work on piezo/Epson heads.

There are some minor firmware differences "built into" the pigment
printers from the factory, such as differences in cleaning cycles, waste
ink counter, etc., but nothing that is critical such that they wouldn't
work if used in dye printers. One problem can be speed of drying. Dye
colorant inks are quite fast drying. The printing is usually slowed
slightly on pigment ink printers to allow the inks to dry before hitting
the "pizza wheels" in the front of the printer.


I believe there are CIS available for the R300, so probably also for the
R320.

You may however, wish to consider the C88 which is a 4 color Pigment
colorant ink system which is even more archival than the Ultrachrome
inks. The R800 ends up costy to run. It is great for glossy color
prints, but if you are mainly doing diagrams and text, it is overkill.
It has a CMYRBKk+GLOP (Glossy Optimiser) ink set. That gets costly to run.

2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely

frustrated because the nozzles keep clogging up. I have to clean it
with each use and even then text barely is acceptable. If the R320 or
the R800 doesn't perform better, then I may scrap the Epson idea all
together. Any views on this issue?

Unless you live in a very dry climate, a very dusty or otherwise dirty
environment, or you have a defective printer (the 780 was admittedly one
of the models that is more likely to clog) in general, Epson printers
shouldn't be causing the type of problems you speak of. However, if
they do begin to clog, they need a correct cleaning process, which you
can do yourself at home with about $2 worth of materials.

Contact me via e-mail at: e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org

(at) = @

(dot) = .

and request my free Epson cleaning manual, No cost and no spam.

Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I agree with Rob, for the type of document and printing you will be
doing, as long as you are not enlarging the image significantly, 600 dpi
is more than adequate.

Art

 

[measekite]

Pretty much any Epson printer can run on pigment colorant inks,
assuming they are designed to work on piezo/Epson heads.

There are some minor firmware differences "built into" the pigment
printers from the factory, such as differences in cleaning cycles,
waste ink counter, etc., but nothing that is critical such that they
wouldn't work if used in dye printers. One problem can be speed of
drying. Dye colorant inks are quite fast drying. The printing is
usually slowed slightly on pigment ink printers to allow the inks to
dry before hitting the "pizza wheels" in the front of the printer.


I believe there are CIS available for the R300, so probably also for
the R320.

You may however, wish to consider the C88 which is a 4 color Pigment
colorant ink system which is even more archival than the Ultrachrome
inks. The R800 ends up costy to run. It is great for glossy color
prints, but if you are mainly doing diagrams and text, it is overkill.
It has a CMYRBKk+GLOP (Glossy Optimiser) ink set. That gets costly to
run.

2)Right now I have an epson stylus Photo 780 and am extremely



Unless you live in a very dry climate, a very dusty or otherwise dirty
environment, or you have a defective printer (the 780 was admittedly
one of the models that is more likely to clog) in general, Epson
printers shouldn't be causing the type of problems you speak of.
However, if they do begin to clog, they need a correct cleaning
process, which you can do yourself at home with about $2 worth of
materials.

Contact me via e-mail at: e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org

(at) = @

(dot) = .

and request my free Epson cleaning manual, No cost and no spam.

Art

OH YEAH GO TO (e-mail address removed) CAUSE HE DO NOT WANT TO PUBLISH HIS
PSEUDO WISDOM. HE WANTS TO CONTROL.