embedding images glitch in Windows Mail??

H

Hellun Zelluf

Question for the MS-MVP's:

When using stationery (html based and embedding images) in Windows Mail, it
allows you send your message while in Preview Mode, with the result that the
images are not embedded, but sent as attachments. Unlike Outlook Express,
which prevented this and gave you a warning when working in Rich Text Edit -
Source - Preview mode and sending in Preview mode.
Was this left out on purpose or accidentally??

Helen
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F

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

Hellun Zelluf said:
Question for the MS-MVP's:

When using stationery (html based and embedding images) in Windows Mail,
it allows you send your message while in Preview Mode, with the result
that the images are not embedded, but sent as attachments. Unlike Outlook
Express, which prevented this and gave you a warning when working in Rich
Text Edit - Source - Preview mode and sending in Preview mode.
Was this left out on purpose or accidentally??

Helen
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Click to expand...

I don't use HTML, but is the option to send pictures with messages checked
in the HTML Settings (Tools | Options | Send)?
 
H

Hellun Zelluf

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE said:
I don't use HTML, but is the option to send pictures with messages checked
in the HTML Settings (Tools | Options | Send)?
Click to expand...
Hi Frank,

Earlier this evening I mentioned your name in another newsgroup, remembering
the good ol' days in the
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress.stationery
newsgroup. Whenever we had a problem creating stationery with Outlook
Express we just had to holler and you or one of the other MVP's would drop
in to help solve the problem.
Back then and now your neverending help and knowledge is very much
appreciated.

In order to use html for stationery (script based html) these settings have
to be in plain text for the script to work properly, OE and WM alike.
When the stationery was sent in Outlook Express while still in Source mode
or Preview mode, Outlook Express would prevent you from sending and
displayed a warning screen.
In Windows Mail there is no such warning. It lets you send no matter in what
source you are (edit-source-preview). Yet, the images are only embedded when
in edit mode. In source and preview mode, the images are sent as
attachments.
When script based html is used for stationery and it is sent in preview
mode, OE and Windows Mail convert the url to the image(s) into cid numbers
and embeds it. This convertion does not happen when in the other two modes.
Basically it's not a huge problem, we just need to remember to be in preview
mode to send. I was just wondering why this prevention is left out in
Windows Mail.

I hope I described the issue clearly, being aware of the fact that Us
Stationery creators are very demanding when it comes to the versatility of
our e-mail client.

One more question: is it true that the rich text option does not excist
anymore in Windows Live Mail??

Helen
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O

ozzie

Looks like this is your answer to your other question
From the Windows Live Mail list

"As the old saying goes, you can't please everyone all of the time.

In deciding the feature set for WLMail, the developers analyzed
which features were actively being used. Apparently the HTML
editing feature was used by very few customers.
I for one have better things to do with my time than tweaking
the HTML code of an email message."
 
H

Hellun Zelluf

Hi again, Ozzy!

Yeah .... if stationery were a game, they would think different.
Today I saw an extended article featuring all new Windows7 and it became
clear, that people like us, with too much time on our hands, better stay
with
XP Sp2 .... The more Microsoft is developing its OS, the more their target
group is non-savvy users! Security already taken out of user's hands,
Microsoft determining where we should save our stuff, and with Windows7
they are now deciding what we should and should not do with our pc's. Music,
photo sharing, games, chatting and simple e-mails ..... that's Microsoft's
profile of it's common user.
With an attitude like that I won't even bother to submit any suggestions.
They simply don't have precious time to spare!!
Maybe I should use all that spare time to switch to another OS.

Helen
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F

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

One more question: is it true that the rich text option does not excist
anymore in Windows Live Mail??

Helen
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No, that isn't true. I'm using Windows Mail for this response.
 
S

Steve Cochran

Microsoft stopped listening to the OE users and dumbed down the program so
it wouldn't have to work so hard and support as many features as OE had.

Their measure is how many copies they sell. Not how may good copies they
sell.

steve
 
S

Steve Cochran

I was unaware of this bug and MS probably didn't care about it.

The workaround would be to either save to the Drafts and then reopen the
message from there, or File | Save As and then reopen from there. That will
then embed the image and then you can preview it and send it if correct.
Its still probably better to switch back to Edit mode first.

Note that when using stationery, they have moved the actual "Stationery"
folder to the message store. If you compose a new message using no
Stationery, then you can go to the source tab and look in the HEAD and you
will see the Base href is set to the location of the stationery folder.

In terms of WLM, it allows HTML messaging, but there is no capability for
stationery and no View
| Source Edit capability.


cheers,

steve
 
G

Gary VanderMolen

Steve Cochran said:
In terms of WLM, it allows HTML messaging, but there is no capability for stationery and no View
| Source Edit capability.
Click to expand...

WLM does have the stationery feature, but is true that the source edit
feature is gone.
 
H

Hellun Zelluf

Hi Steve!
So true!!
Knowing you to be one of the MVP's with a caring heart for us stationery
people, I would appreciate it if you could help us convince the MS people of
the importance of a versatile e-mail client. Since Windows7 will not ship
with the Live services, when it's released, but offering free download of
all Live services instead, it would be a good thing to also include Windows
Mail as a supported e-mail client in Windows7 (ofcourse also downloadable
for free).
Windows Mail has a few glitches for stationery users, but overall it serves
the purposes we need.

The stationery world would really appreciate your input in this.

Helen
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H

Hellun Zelluf

Am I missing something here, Frank??
Isn't the Rich Text feature connected with the edit-source-preview option?
How do I understand your answer here and then reading your answer to Steve:
WLM does have the stationery feature, but is true that the source edit
feature is gone.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

I take it, there is a slight misunderstanding here ..... we were talking about the same subject, LOL!!

Thanks for making this clear for me.

Helen
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One more question: is it true that the rich text option does not excist
anymore in Windows Live Mail??

Helen
=====

No, that isn't true. I'm using Windows Mail for this response.
 
H

Hellun Zelluf

It's not a bug that makes my life miserable, Steve :blush:))
The workaround is way too laborious. Now that I know of the bug, the only
thing I need to remember is being in the edit mode when sending.

Having serious doubts about WLM and it's restricted possibilities, I would
like to refer to my other reply to you.
Your support to keep stationery creating alive in all future MS e-mail
clients would be very much appreciated.
After all, the amount of people involved in creating stationery is far
bigger than Microsoft thinks. I don't think it's a wise decision to exclude
such a big community.

Helen
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H

Hellun Zelluf

sorry, Frank .... it was not your answer, but Gary's!!

Helen
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Am I missing something here, Frank??
Isn't the Rich Text feature connected with the edit-source-preview option?
How do I understand your answer here and then reading your answer to Steve:
WLM does have the stationery feature, but is true that the source edit
feature is gone.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

I take it, there is a slight misunderstanding here ..... we were talking
about the same subject, LOL!!

Thanks for making this clear for me.

Helen
=====





One more question: is it true that the rich text option does not excist
anymore in Windows Live Mail??

Helen
=====

No, that isn't true. I'm using Windows Mail for this response.
 
G

Gary VanderMolen

It would be more correct to say that "edit-source-preview" can be
used with rich text (HTML) and stationery but it is not mandatory.
WLM does HTML and stationery without the "edit-source-preview"
feature.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


Am I missing something here, Frank??
Isn't the Rich Text feature connected with the edit-source-preview option?
How do I understand your answer here and then reading your answer to Steve:
WLM does have the stationery feature, but is true that the source edit
feature is gone.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

I take it, there is a slight misunderstanding here ..... we were talking about the same subject, LOL!!

Thanks for making this clear for me.

Helen
=====





One more question: is it true that the rich text option does not excist
anymore in Windows Live Mail??

Helen
=====

No, that isn't true. I'm using Windows Mail for this response.
 
H

Hellun Zelluf

I will, Steve! I don't think it would need much persuasion to round up the
whole stationery world.
Please, keep on being our ambassador in the MS incrowd. Your support is
needed and very much appreciated!!

Helen
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