A
Alias
Mike said:
Giggle. I wonder why?
Yeah, but you better not contradict her or she will plonk you in a NY
second.
Alias
Giggle. I wonder why?
Yeah, but you better not contradict her or she will plonk you in a NY
second.
Alias
D
db ´¯`·.. >
interesting....
either you are a
disgruntled spammer
or
you are just as
guilty by posting
a non question and
proliferating a business
and
as seen by the numerous
responses of morons, have
manipulated the replication
of spam
or
you are an employee
of the business and used
this posting to proliferating
either you are a
disgruntled spammer
or
you are just as
guilty by posting
a non question and
proliferating a business
and
as seen by the numerous
responses of morons, have
manipulated the replication
of spam
or
you are an employee
of the business and used
this posting to proliferating
R
Rick
What a bunch of rubbish. I have found that they give very goodskidz said:
information and it is clearly NOT SPAM. Sig files do not make spam ever!
Rick
M
Mike Hall - MVP
A smart lady..
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Everything but what I deliberately snipped is in the reply.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
"...it has called on some other mvp"
Nice ASSUMPTION.
FALSE as far as I know.
Be careful what you ASSUME.
Most here know what it means to ASSUME.
Your obvious violation of newsgroup etiquette by posting in HTML sits
strange while you FALSELY accuse another of a violation.
Pot, Kettle Black
Go read what she posts rather than selected posts you call spam,
perhaps then you will see who she really is.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
I said the spam post is not helpful.
occasionally it does post something useful.
not surprised it has called on some other mvp for defencse.
(e-mail address removed)
Nice ASSUMPTION.
FALSE as far as I know.
Be careful what you ASSUME.
Most here know what it means to ASSUME.
Your obvious violation of newsgroup etiquette by posting in HTML sits
strange while you FALSELY accuse another of a violation.
Pot, Kettle Black
Go read what she posts rather than selected posts you call spam,
perhaps then you will see who she really is.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
I said the spam post is not helpful.
occasionally it does post something useful.
not surprised it has called on some other mvp for defencse.
(e-mail address removed)
W
Wally
<Snipped blah-blah>
It's very difficult to follow a thread that's always top-posted, let
alone a mixed top/bottom posted thread.
To have a top poster with a delimiter that wipes virtually everything
out under their post, is absurd.
Perhaps you just don't know how a delimiter works.
I forgive your lack of knowledge and hope this will create an incentive
for you to understand what I'm talking about.
W
Wally
This is a perfect example. How the heck is somene supposed to
figure this out?
Are you really that clueless ?
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
It is there, if you are unable to see it, the problem is with you or
your newsreader.
your newsreader.
M
Mike Hall - MVP
You may be the only one who couldn't figure it out.. 
W
Wally
I use Agent, as you can clearly see.
A delimiter causes everything UNDER IT to not show up upon reply.
The purpose of a delimiter is for the sig not to show up upon reply so
as to not clutter up the thread.
Since you insist on using a delimiter AND top-posting, everthing
under your sig is gone.
Do you understand that or are you just a Microsoft standards-changer?
Because you say so, that's how it will be.
Do you understand what a delimiter is and how to use it ?
Here --
Concerning SIGNATURES:
Many people include a signature at the end of their messages.
This signature may contain useful information like how to unmunge
a munged e-mail address, how to grab that person's public OpenPGP
key, or just trivia and maybe humoristic phrases.
The signature should not be a novel. Keep it short - the
generally accepted length is no more than 4 lines but nobody will
yell at you if it's 5 or 6. Things will start getting out of hand
if your signature is much longer than that.
The signature itself should be separated from the rest of the
body by a signature delimiter. The standard for that delimiter is
"-- " (dash dash space) on its own on a line. Everything above it
in the body will be displayed. The delimiter itself and
everything below it will be stripped by the newsreader/mailer
when someone wants to reply to a message with such a signature,
and some mailers/newsreaders won't even display the signature in
the first place.
If people start complaining about the fact that you're sending
blank messages, pay special attention to what you're sending and
where you're putting the "-- ". As usual, don't assume everyone's
software behaves like yours. In fact, if you receive complaints
and you don't know why, the chances are that your software isn't
behaving at all. Microsoft Outlook Express and Outlook, for
example, are totally incapable of handling signatures, or text
wrapping for that matter, in a standards-compliant manner without
third party add-ons such as "QuoteFix" (which exists in two
versions: QuoteFix for Outlook and QuoteFix for Outlook Express).
Finally, bear in mind that some automated mail management systems
such as mailman, majordomo, ecartis and the like will carry on
trying to process your signature as commands unless it is
separated from the real commands by the usual "-- " delimiter.
http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php
W
Wally
You may be the only one who couldn't figure it out..
No, you and several others obviously don't take the time to understand
that this is Usenet, not a Microsoft "Forum" with it's own standards
by which all shall obey.
I find it unfathomable that you can't understand this.
Educate yourself about Usenet.
W
Wally
You may be the only one who couldn't figure it out..
Let me help you learn, as you help so many others.
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/faq08-topp.html
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Netkeeping_Seal_of_Approval
Also
I wonder if I can ask you to spare a thought for your many blind
readers who, although they often have guide dogs, are not averse
to owning the odd cat or two. Also cats help keep the dogs in
order although they tend to take the most disgraceful liberties
with the good-natured attitudes of labradors. At this very moment
there's a long-suffering labrador getting the occasional biff on
the nose from my cat for not being a cat.
JAWS (Job Access With Speech) is a popular newreader with the
blind and is a real newsreader inasmuch as it reads out posts
aloud. It is configured along AUP Usenet conventions and has no
problems with most newsgroups except this one.
Many of you throw JAWS into a state of confusion by posting
upside-down. That is, you add your comments at the top of a
follow-up and leave the attributed follow-up trailing below. And
very often many don't bother to trim the reposted article to
salient points. A blind reader has to keep hitting skip when it
finally dawns that he or she is being presented with the entire
post again without comments at the end.
Please remember that a Usenet post has one writer but many
readers therefore it is sensible to cater for the majority when
posting. Also, trimming to salient points and adding your
comments below is a Usenet convention, contained in the RFC and
is invariable included in your server's AUP which you have agreed
to adhere to.
Clagging servers with millions of bytes of unnecessary untrimmed
reposts doesn't do anyone any favours and invariable leads to
ISPs expiring offending newsgroups more quickly than others, as
is happening with this newsgroup.
Some of you may argue that Outlook Express is the culprit because
it places the cursor at the top of a post when replying. Nearly
all newsreaders do this, expecting you to trim the repost before
entering your reply underneath. What Outlook Express doesn't do
is automatically strip signature files from reposts but that's
easy to do yourself. All in all, Outlook Express is a dreadful
newsreader - clumsy and bloated. Forte Free Agent is quite good.
So please could we have a little consideration for others.
Many thanks for your attention.
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_chr0.htm
If you are able to comprehend the above links, get back to me.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
"I use Agent"
Irrelevant.
You are free to deal with it how you want.
What you are not free to do is insist others comply with your desires.
Others have the same choice.
You have many options depending on your news reader.
You deal with it, and that means within the confines of your own
computer system.
Irrelevant.
You are free to deal with it how you want.
What you are not free to do is insist others comply with your desires.
Others have the same choice.
You have many options depending on your news reader.
You deal with it, and that means within the confines of your own
computer system.
T
Terry R.
On 12/14/2007 4:39 PM On a whim, Wally pounded out on the keyboard
I've asked many who top post and use a delimiter, i.e. all those who use
a MS client (stupid MS), to not do that, but Windows Mail is unable to
be configured not use a delimiter when top posting (although OL & OE can
like you stated using Quotefix). Any proper newsreader (I use TB) will
NOT insert a delimiter if the user chooses to top post.
--
Terry R.
***Reply Note***
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
I've asked many who top post and use a delimiter, i.e. all those who use
a MS client (stupid MS), to not do that, but Windows Mail is unable to
be configured not use a delimiter when top posting (although OL & OE can
like you stated using Quotefix). Any proper newsreader (I use TB) will
NOT insert a delimiter if the user chooses to top post.
--
Terry R.
***Reply Note***
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
"Usenet, not a Microsoft "Forum""
You are not entirely correct.
Many post here directly from the Microsoft servers and others from
Microsoft forums depending on the specific newsgroup.
the fact these newsgroups are propagated beyond Microsoft is another
issue and not really relevant.
Those posting from Microsoft newsgroups or forums are bound to follow
the rules set up by Microsoft not rules dictated by you, me or anyone
else.
You are not entirely correct.
Many post here directly from the Microsoft servers and others from
Microsoft forums depending on the specific newsgroup.
the fact these newsgroups are propagated beyond Microsoft is another
issue and not really relevant.
Those posting from Microsoft newsgroups or forums are bound to follow
the rules set up by Microsoft not rules dictated by you, me or anyone
else.
M
MAP
Seems like I read what I was expecting ...instead of what was written.It sux
getting old! Avoid it at all costs.
--
Mike Pawlak
getting old! Avoid it at all costs.
--
Mike Pawlak
Daave said:MAP said:
Read it again.
W
Wally
I was told it might be the fault of my newsreader
Your reply is condescending and quite arrogant.
You have no idea how Usenet operates and no understanding
of the conventions involved and don't care to learn.
W
Wally
Thanks for the info, Terry.
That certainly invites a mess.
M
mikeyhsd
read the microsoft news rules.
HTML is and always has been welcome.
and you call your self an mvp.
(e-mail address removed)
"...it has called on some other mvp"
Nice ASSUMPTION.
FALSE as far as I know.
Be careful what you ASSUME.
Most here know what it means to ASSUME.
Your obvious violation of newsgroup etiquette by posting in HTML sits
strange while you FALSELY accuse another of a violation.
Pot, Kettle Black
Go read what she posts rather than selected posts you call spam,
perhaps then you will see who she really is.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
I said the spam post is not helpful.
occasionally it does post something useful.
not surprised it has called on some other mvp for defencse.
(e-mail address removed)
HTML is and always has been welcome.
and you call your self an mvp.
(e-mail address removed)
"...it has called on some other mvp"
Nice ASSUMPTION.
FALSE as far as I know.
Be careful what you ASSUME.
Most here know what it means to ASSUME.
Your obvious violation of newsgroup etiquette by posting in HTML sits
strange while you FALSELY accuse another of a violation.
Pot, Kettle Black
Go read what she posts rather than selected posts you call spam,
perhaps then you will see who she really is.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
I said the spam post is not helpful.
occasionally it does post something useful.
not surprised it has called on some other mvp for defencse.
(e-mail address removed)