Dual Booting

[Guest]

HI there, a mate as a PS running Xp Pro but he wants to dual boo hes machine, he originaly had a 80 gig drive with XP Pro, so I used Nortons Ghost and he had a 80 gig drive, so I partitioned the drive first partition fat 32 second partition NTFS I thn cloned a image from the original XP Disk into the second partition of the new drive and then on the new drive installed Win 98 SE into the primary partition! When I boot the new drive it finds Windows 98 but not XP in the second partition! Even with a Boot manager, any ideas how to get this to work? I dont want to loose the dats in the XP partitions, because the mate is blind and uses a lot of of access software,

Cheers, Bob

PS could you please also post any email replies to me new email address (e-mail address removed)

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

How do I install Windows 98/Me after I've installed XP?
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm

Cannot Start Windows 2000 After You Install Windows 98 or Windows 98 Second Edition
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;293089&Product=winxp

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Windows XP - Shell/User

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| HI there, a mate as a PS running Xp Pro but he wants to dual boo hes machine, he originaly had a 80 gig
drive with XP Pro, so I used Nortons Ghost and he had a 80 gig drive, so I partitioned the drive first
partition fat 32 second partition NTFS I thn cloned a image from the original XP Disk into the second
partition of the new drive and then on the new drive installed Win 98 SE into the primary partition! When I
boot the new drive it finds Windows 98 but not XP in the second partition! Even with a Boot manager, any ideas
how to get this to work? I dont want to loose the dats in the XP partitions, because the mate is blind and
uses a lot of of access software,
|
| Cheers, Bob

 

[hawk]

This site has a step by step procedure for installing Win98 on a
system that has WinXP already installed. I have used it, and it works
perfectly.

http://www.dougknox.com/

hawk

 

[Guest]

Cheers, I first partitioneed a new drive into C fat 32 and D NTFS then used Norton ghost to make a clone of the original xp disk into the NTFS partition of the new drive, because my mate could not take a chance on loosing data, I thn installed a fresh installation of windows 98 into the C partion the mqachine boots into 98 ,so I put a boot manager onto the c drive but it fails to see the XP Partition!!

 

[hawk]

You need to do a repair of the boot sector on "C" drive. You don't
need a third party boot manager. When you installed WinXP on "D", it
installed a boot sector on "C" that uses files on the root of "C" to
complete the boot process. When you installed Win98 on "C" it wrote
it's own boot sector code and the WinXP code is gone. If you check the
root of "C" you should see the files: ntldr, ntdetect.com, boot.ini
and bootsect.dos. If bootsect.dos is NOT there follow Doug Knox's
instructions to create one. These are the files used to boot to Win98
or WinXP, but the boot sector code must 'jump' there.

On Doug Knox's site go to the part titled "Repairing the Windows XP
Boot Loader". I have used the procedure to restore my dual boot after
I reinstalled Win98.

hawk

 

[hawk]

After reading your post again, you probably don't have any of the
required files because you didn't do a WinXP install, just a ghost
copy of WinXP to the NTFS partition. Since you already have Win98
installed, why don't you just do a clean install of WinXP onto the
NTFS partition?

hawk

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your help, that would be the easy option! The problem is that my mate is blind and he uses heavly configured Access software with speeech enabled, and it would take him weeks to get the system to where it is now, at the moment hes using the original disk with XP pro in one pudding, but want a dual boot machine because some of the programs he uses are made or win 98 and so he will be able to trnasfer date from the 98 partition to the XP one, that's why I'm afraid I need to be able to use the old XP partition copied onto a new drive? Any way to get around the problem?

Cheers, Bob

 

[hawk]

Maybe do a repair rather than an installation. I am not sure about how
much repair is done or if the files that are needed in "C" root are
replaced. You should try to follow Doug Knox's procedure starting with
the section titled, "Repairing the Windows XP Boot Loader". Again, I
am not sure if the dual boot will be restored because you didn't do an
installation. Don't pay attention to any of Doug's disclaimers about
what must be where. My system has WinXP on NTFS "D" and Win98 on FAT32
"C". And I repaired the dual boot after reinstalling Win98. But, my
original WinXP installation on "D" was with Win98 already installed on
"C".

Well, here is another option, just grasping at straws. Do a clean
install of WinXP on your "D" NTFS partition. This should establish a
dual boot system with all of the necessary files. Copy those files to
a floppy disk that has been formatted from within WinXP.(ntldr,
ntdetect.com, boot.ini and bootsect.dos). Then format "D" and do the
ghost copy of WinXP again. Keep the floppy in case you need an
emergency way to boot to the WinXP installation.

hawk

 

[I'm Dan]

Cheers, I first partitioneed a new drive into C fat 32 and D NTFS
then used Norton ghost to make a clone of the original xp disk
into the NTFS partition of the new drive, because my mate
could not take a chance on loosing data, I thn installed a fresh
installation of windows 98 into the C partion the mqachine
boots into 98 ,so I put a boot manager onto the c drive but it
fails to see the XP Partition!!

Careful, the other replies are going down one road but you're on a
completely different road.

First, understand that multiboot methods fall into two general categories:
the Microsoft way and everyone else's way. The two methods use incompatible
concepts and cannot simply be substituted for one another. In a nutshell,
the Microsoft way intertwines the OS's by always booting through the *same*
partition and then forking to one or the other operating system on different
drive letters (C: and E:, as an example), with the OS choices defined in the
boot.ini file. The third-party way does not intertwine OS's and uses an
external boot manager, not the boot.ini file. Third-party boot managers
keep OS's totally independent and truly boot *separate* partitions as
alternate 'C:' partitions.

You can't mix the methods by installing your OS's without intertwining and
trying to control the multiboot through boot.ini, or vice-versa, installing
the Microsoft way and then trying to use a third-party boot manager. Doug
Knox's site presumes the MS method and describes how to arrange the proper
partition intertwining. But by cloning, you're using non-intertwined
partitions -- each OS has been installed completely independent of the
other. You *must* use a third-party boot manager, not Knox's instructions,
and you don't need to copy XP files to your 98 partition.

As I read it, you're goal is to have both OS's on a single HDD. There are a
number of "gotchas" that can trip you up in the process, but you haven't
said exactly how you did the cloning (from Windows? from DOS? both HDDs
still installed?), so it's hard to guess what state the new XP partition is
in now. I'm guessing you made the mistake of formatting the new partitions
while booted into the old XP. Let us know what boot manager you're using,
and what you mean by "boot manager ... fails to see the XP Partition."

 

[Guest]

I have a question about Duel Booting as well. I prefer to use seperate drive. Forinstance I have an 80gb HDD with NTFS and Win2k or XP Pro (depending on the machien), and a 30 gb FAT32 on Win98SE. I know there is a check box n 2k about displaying other bootable OS's, but it doesnt list any, but I can goto Bios and select the other drive as primary boot , and I can bouce back and forth between OS's just fine that way. Is there a way to do this without going into BIOS everytime? Also alot of my NT based systems are using SCSI or IDE RAID, and 98 are solo IDE HDD's if that info matters. Can someone offer me some step by step advise for both XP Pro and @k-Pro? Thanks
Dave B.

 

[I'm Dan]

I have a question about Duel Booting as well. I prefer to use
seperate drive. Forinstance I have an 80gb HDD with NTFS
and Win2k or XP Pro (depending on the machien), and a 30 gb
FAT32 on Win98SE. I know there is a check box n 2k about
displaying other bootable OS's, but it doesnt list any, but I can
goto Bios and select the other drive as primary boot , and I
can bouce back and forth between OS's just fine that way.
Is there a way to do this without going into BIOS everytime?

Dave, see my reply to bobgarb describing the two general types of multiboot.
If you are using the bios to switch between OS's, then you also have
independent installations like bobgarb has. Typically, another clue that
you are using independent installations will be that each OS (98 and 2K/XP)
may boot up with itself as "drive C:".

With completely independent installations, you cannot use the Microsoft
bootloader to control your multibooting, so don't bother trying to find a
"checkbox in Win2K". The bios switch will work fine, but if that is too
cumbersome for you, look into installing a decent third-party boot manager.
Popular boot managers mentioned often in this newsgroup include XOSL (free,
www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm), OSLoader ($25, www.osloader.com), and
BootIt-NG ($35, www.bootitng.com). BootIt-NG is more than just a boot
manager, so do take a look at it if you could also use a non-destructive
partition resizer (like Symantec's PartitionMagic) and a partition imager
(like Ghost, DriveImage, or TrueImage).

 

[Guest]

Hi Dan, I would normaly doa fresh install when dual boot, but my mate wishes to try and keep the original Xp Setup, he still as that on a 80 gig drive what we are trying to do is have a new copy of Win 98 in the c partition of the drive and put a copy of the XP he is using now onto the d partition of the new drive, so this is what i Did . I put the new dirive in the PC and used Fdisk to make two partition son the drive First one C formated to Fat 32, than the second partition D was formated to NTFS I then used Norton Ghost in Dos to clone the working version of XP Pro from the original drive into the NTFS partion of the new drive, I then installed windows 98 into the C fat 32 partition of the new drive, when booting the machine it boots into windows 98 so I installed a boot manager called osloader which states in can load dual boot up to 100 individual operating systems, but it fails to see the D windows XP partition, although when I load partition magic that shows both partition on the drive, I hope this makes sense, I want to try and avoid installing a fresh copy of XP into the d partion, although I know it would easier,but he as made a lot of changes and has installed because he is blind to allow system to read email and to navigate the keyboard!

Cheers, Bob

 

[I'm Dan]

Fdisk to create two partitions?? That doesn't explain how you managed to
format one of them as NTFS without booting into XP, and since fdisk balks at
creating two *primary* partitions, I wonder if the second partition you
created may have been a logical partition instead of primary? But wait ...
later you said you have PartitionMagic -- could it be that you really used
PM instead of fdisk?

I've never used OSLoader, but I just took a look at the online documentation
and it's pretty useless. If it doesn't autodetect the XP OS, I'm not sure
there's any remedy except dumping OSLoader and using something else like
XOSL (www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm).

First, though, load PM again and tell us what it shows for your two
partitions. On the righthand side of the PM screen, is the XP partition
"Primary" or "Logical"? In the middle of the PM screen, is the XP partition
"NTFS" or "Hidden NTFS"?

 

[Guest]

I will have another look tomorow when I can get on the machine, I was getting a little confused on the new drive I partitioned it with Fdisk c being fat 32 than cloned a copy of XP pro into the 2nd partition, did not format that partition, I've cloned a drive onto a new drive before but never needed to format if copying one copy of XP onto another new drive! I hope that makes sense, will have a look at what you've sugested and will keep you posted,

Cheers, Bob