Dual boot system with XP Pro startup and Vista Business optional O

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jmorg

I'm having a lot of problems with Vista and 'Failed to start' issues
requiring automatic recovery over and over. I've worked directly with
Microsoft tech help for months reconfiguring, uninstalling, and reinstalling
software without any permenent results (the problem has been going on for a
year). We all agree that it is an unknown software conflict. I love the look
and feel of Vista, but I need the solid reliability of XP. I'm considering
purchasing a new laptop with XP Pro start up OS and a Vista Business second
OS. This sounds like the best of both worlds. I would like some advice about
how this works. Does it require excessive memory? Can both systems be up at
once? What happens when Microsoft abandons XP to support vista and 7? Where
can a novice research this set up?
Love Vista, can't deal with the constant failures. Help please.
 
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The Real Truth MVP

If you have done re-installs and the problem is still there like they said
it sounds like a hardware conflict. Getting a new laptop would solve that
would it not? so just get a new one with Vista.


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*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
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David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
 
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Malke

jmorg said:
I'm having a lot of problems with Vista and 'Failed to start' issues
requiring automatic recovery over and over. I've worked directly with
Microsoft tech help for months reconfiguring, uninstalling, and
reinstalling software without any permenent results (the problem has been
going on for a year). We all agree that it is an unknown software
conflict. I love the look and feel of Vista, but I need the solid
reliability of XP. I'm considering purchasing a new laptop with XP Pro
start up OS and a Vista Business second OS. This sounds like the best of
both worlds. I would like some advice about how this works. Does it
require excessive memory? Can both systems be up at once? What happens
when Microsoft abandons XP to support vista and 7? Where can a novice
research this set up? Love Vista, can't deal with the constant failures.
Help please.

Without knowing anything about your computer, its hardware and software, and
what you've already done I can't give you specific advice about your
current machine. With these caveats, I'd definitely do some hardware
troubleshooting before continuing with software solutions. Here are some
suggestions. Obviously if you've already done them then just ignore those
suggestions!

1. Restore your computer to factory condition if you have that sort of
computer (OEM - Dell, HP, Sony, etc.). Run for a while without installing
anything the OEM didn't preinstall*. If problems continue with the machine
under these conditions, return the machine to the OEM for replacement. It
should work "out of the box".

*I would however uninstall Norton or McAfee if it came preinstalled and use
the free Avast for now.

2. If you don't have an OEM machine with a factory restore process, do a
clean install of Vista. Make sure you install all current drivers. Get
drivers from the OEM's website or from the various mftrs.' websites and not
Windows Update. Don't install any third-party software except an antivirus
like Avast Free right now. If you are still getting issues, then probably
this is hardware and not software unless you are trying to install Vista on
a machine whose hardware won't natively support this OS. You can also test
whether something is a hardware or software issue by running off a Linux
Live CD like Knoppix, but this won't help you determine if some program you
are running in Vista is the culprit.

Items #1 and 2 are meant to determine if:

a. You have hardware issues; and/or
b. If you have specialized software that is incompatible with Vista and that
is what is causing your problems.

While Vista isn't my favorite operating system, a healthy Vista installed on
sound hardware is completely solid. All my clients' machines run perfectly,
as do my own Vista machines.

3. Unless you are running a special third-party program, a new laptop
running Vista (with at least 2GB of RAM) should work well. If you must run
a special third-party program for your business that is known to not work
with Vista, then you might want to solve your issues by virtual computing.
Use virtualization software like Microsoft's Virtual PC (free) or VMware
Workstation (not free but IMO better than VPC) and create a virtual machine
("vm") running the OS which supports your special software. If this is your
situation, you must check with the special software's tech support to make
sure it will work in a vm. Most business software will; 3D applications may
not.

You can have a host OS of Vista and a guest OS of XP to run your special
software. You need a fast machine with a fair amount of RAM to do this
successfully and you must have licensed copies of both Microsoft operating
systems. I wouldn't run Vista in a vm on a machine with less than 3GB of
RAM.

I don't know whether a novice can deal with this. You are the only one who
knows your capabilities. We all have our areas of expertise. If you feel
you need outside help, then consult a competent local computer tech. If you
go this route, don't use a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of place.

Malke
 
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Good grief that was a lot of help!
The Real Truth MVP said:
If you have done re-installs and the problem is still there like they said
it sounds like a hardware conflict. Getting a new laptop would solve that
would it not? so just get a new one with Vista.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not
waste your time.
David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
 
T

The Real Truth MVP

So was your offer of help.......Wait I don't see one.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
your time.
David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
 
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Unknown

You of course didn't see one because I didn't offer any. Had I, it sure
wouldn't be 'buy another laptop with Vista'.
 
T

The Real Truth MVP

Hey dipshit can you read? The op said "I'm considering purchasing a new
laptop with XP Pro" Maybe if you weren't so hell bent on me you would have
seen that.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
your time.
David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
 
J

jmorg

Thank you for your prompt response. I was dreading the process you described,
and therefore considered the replacement to a little better computer with
everything preloaded.
My computer is a Dell refurbished (purchased from Dell) Inspiron 1521 laptop
with an AMD Turion 64 X2 processor w/ 4 GB of memory running Vista Home
Premium SP1.
When the computer recovers, it will revert back to a previous configuration
(I've installed SP2 twice). I've turned off updates on MS advice. the optical
drive fails to write properly quite often and automatic back-up worked once,
then failed. I should have returned it to Dell, but I use it extensively for
work and never had a cance to be without it. I am not a tweaker, so I use the
machine and software well within the intended parameters (no overclocking,
games, or bootleg software). I've run McAfee since new as I'm on the internet
all day sometimes.
I could use this machine (after cleaning it out and reloading Vista) for
other things or give it to someone in the family.
The replacement I'm concidering is an HP with a faster Intel processor, 800
FBS, 3GB L2, supporting up to 8 GB of RAM.
I'm concerned about how a dual boot system will work (factory installed).
 
M

Malke

jmorg said:
Thank you for your prompt response. I was dreading the process you
described, and therefore considered the replacement to a little better
computer with everything preloaded.
My computer is a Dell refurbished (purchased from Dell) Inspiron 1521
laptop with an AMD Turion 64 X2 processor w/ 4 GB of memory running Vista
Home Premium SP1.
When the computer recovers, it will revert back to a previous
configuration (I've installed SP2 twice). I've turned off updates on MS
advice. the optical drive fails to write properly quite often and
automatic back-up worked once, then failed. I should have returned it to
Dell, but I use it extensively for work and never had a cance to be
without it. I am not a tweaker, so I use the machine and software well
within the intended parameters (no overclocking, games, or bootleg
software). I've run McAfee since new as I'm on the internet all day
sometimes. I could use this machine (after cleaning it out and reloading
Vista) for other things or give it to someone in the family.
The replacement I'm concidering is an HP with a faster Intel processor,
800 FBS, 3GB L2, supporting up to 8 GB of RAM.
I'm concerned about how a dual boot system will work (factory installed).

It sounds like bad hardware to me. Yes, you should have returned it to Dell
immediately but I guess it's too late now.

I don't know any OEM's that will do a dual-boot factory install of Windows
XP and Vista. You could have a local tech set you up but if you do this
then the virtual machine is a better choice because you don't need to
reboot whenever you want to use a different operating system. For instance,
I'm using SUSE Linux running in a virtual machine hosted on Mac OS X to
write these newsgroup posts to you right now.

You haven't mentioned any special software so I don't know why you think
you'd need 8GB for either Vista or XP. One or two GB are fine for XP. For
normal computer use (no AutoCAD, Mathlab, etc.) two GB on Vista is IMO the
minimum and 3 or 4 GB is plenty.

Possibly meeting with a local tech and going over your needs and concerns in
person might be a good next step for you. I'm not sure what else I can tell
you but if you feel I can be of further help, please do ask away.

Malke
 
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Unknown

Read your response to the OP you stupid jerk.
The Real Truth MVP said:
Hey dipshit can you read? The op said "I'm considering purchasing a new
laptop with XP Pro" Maybe if you weren't so hell bent on me you would have
seen that.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not
waste your time.
David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
 
J

jmorg

Malke said:
It sounds like bad hardware to me. Yes, you should have returned it to Dell
immediately but I guess it's too late now.

I don't know any OEM's that will do a dual-boot factory install of Windows
XP and Vista. You could have a local tech set you up but if you do this
then the virtual machine is a better choice because you don't need to
reboot whenever you want to use a different operating system. For instance,
I'm using SUSE Linux running in a virtual machine hosted on Mac OS X to
write these newsgroup posts to you right now.

You haven't mentioned any special software so I don't know why you think
you'd need 8GB for either Vista or XP. One or two GB are fine for XP. For
normal computer use (no AutoCAD, Mathlab, etc.) two GB on Vista is IMO the
minimum and 3 or 4 GB is plenty.

Possibly meeting with a local tech and going over your needs and concerns in
person might be a good next step for you. I'm not sure what else I can tell
you but if you feel I can be of further help, please do ask away.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

Thank you, I checked the offer again, and it is an XP machine with an optional Vista Business OS and license. I presume that would be an upgrade only, not a complete package.
I do work with PDF files of 2-3 MB size, and some larger, which my machine
handles pretty well. I use Photoshop Elements and am considering getting an
Autocad starter program to train on. Adobe Acrobat 9 does not allow me to do
scaled drawings as far as I know.
 
M

Malke

jmorg said:
I do work with PDF files of 2-3 MB size, and some larger, which my
machine
handles pretty well. I use Photoshop Elements and am considering getting
an Autocad starter program to train on. Adobe Acrobat 9 does not allow me
to do scaled drawings as far as I know.

Honestly, I think 8GB is overkill but if it makes you happy.... ;-)

Malke
 

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