Does VISTA suck as much as people say?

[Bob Brown]

I've heard people say vista sucks ass. Are they jealous XP users or
does vista really suck that bad?

AND is it true vista has like 6 version, the best costing something
near $300?

Why did they do this to us users? If it's true?

 

[Roger Blake]

I've heard people say vista sucks ass. Are they jealous XP users or
does vista really suck that bad?

From what I've seen so far, it needs about twice as much memory as XP
does, in addition of course to a better display card, more disk space,
and faster CPU. Vista is supposed to have improved security, but I'm
already seeing Vista machines crawling with viruses and spyware.

If you have the upgrade edition and your operating system needs to
be reloaded, you cannot do it directly by booting from the installation
disc. You need to first reload your original operating system, then
run the Vista disc from it. (Have already gone through this excercise
and it's a real pain.)

Here is a non-flattering review from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

Some other bad things about Vista can be found at:

http://www.badvista.org

The consensus in the industry seems to be basically "nothing much to
see here." Unless you really, really like the eye candy, or are a
gamer who needes DirectX 10, there seems little reason to "upgrade"
an XP system to Vista.

AND is it true vista has like 6 version, the best costing something
near $300?

That sounds about right.

Why did they do this to us users? If it's true?

It may have something to do with the fact that they are convicted
monopolists (check the findings of fact in the Microsoft case),
and have not been punished in any meaningful manner. They do it
because they can.

 

[Kim]

From what I've seen so far, it needs about twice as much memory as XP
does, in addition of course to a better display card, more disk space,
and faster CPU. Vista is supposed to have improved security, but I'm
already seeing Vista machines crawling with viruses and spyware.

If you have the upgrade edition and your operating system needs to
be reloaded, you cannot do it directly by booting from the installation
disc. You need to first reload your original operating system, then
run the Vista disc from it. (Have already gone through this excercise
and it's a real pain.)

Here is a non-flattering review from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

Some other bad things about Vista can be found at:

http://www.badvista.org

The consensus in the industry seems to be basically "nothing much to
see here." Unless you really, really like the eye candy, or are a
gamer who needes DirectX 10, there seems little reason to "upgrade"
an XP system to Vista.


That sounds about right.


It may have something to do with the fact that they are convicted
monopolists (check the findings of fact in the Microsoft case),
and have not been punished in any meaningful manner. They do it
because they can.

They only "CAN" because of the MORONS that buy Vista. It has to do
with the most basic economic factor - supply and demand. I'll make you a
absolute guarantee - if no one buys Vista;

1. The price will TUMBLE down to the cost to produce the product.
2. Microsuck will scramble to improve it beyond your wildest dreams.

But, the computer community, nor anyother for that matter, can't fathom not
having the "latest and greatest". So, pay through your *ss and suck it up.

 

[Teepee]

From what I've seen so far, it needs about twice as much memory as XP
does, in addition of course to a better display card, more disk space,
and faster CPU. Vista is supposed to have improved security, but I'm
already seeing Vista machines crawling with viruses and spyware.

If you have the upgrade edition and your operating system needs to
be reloaded, you cannot do it directly by booting from the installation
disc. You need to first reload your original operating system, then
run the Vista disc from it. (Have already gone through this excercise
and it's a real pain.)

Here is a non-flattering review from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

Some other bad things about Vista can be found at:

http://www.badvista.org

The consensus in the industry seems to be basically "nothing much to
see here." Unless you really, really like the eye candy, or are a
gamer who needes DirectX 10, there seems little reason to "upgrade"
an XP system to Vista.


That sounds about right.


It may have something to do with the fact that they are convicted
monopolists (check the findings of fact in the Microsoft case),
and have not been punished in any meaningful manner. They do it
because they can.

I use Mozilla and Open Office and avoid microsoft products as much as
I can. Still, this operating system.... Now, as never before, is the
time to upgrade to a Mac.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

There are really 4 versions:
Vista Home Basic
Vista Home Premium - Comparable to XP Home
Vista Business - Comparable to XP Professional
Vista Ultimate

Vista Home Basic and Vista Ultimate are new in that there is really no
current comparison.

Vista Enterprise and Vista Starter (5th and 6th versions) have very limited
distribution so are not relevant to the majority of consumers.

Compare prices of Vista Home Premium with XP Home, Vista Business with XP
Professional and the price increase is not that significant especially when
you consider the price of Windows 95.

Additionally if you purchase Vista Ultimate retail, you can get 2 licenses
for Home Premium for just under $50 US:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/familydiscount.mspx
This is a new type of program which many hope is expanded.
The offer is currently a limited time offer and only for North America but I
hope and expect for it to be continued and expanded globally or nearly so at
some time in the future.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I've heard people say vista sucks ass. Are they jealous XP users or
does vista really suck that bad?

As with any other product, computer-oriented or not, there is a wide variety
of opinions around. Also note that many of the people who badmouth Vista
have never even run it, just read about it. Not all the opinions you see are
informed opinions.

I've been running Vista Ultimate since November 18, and it's been just fine
here. I have no complaints.

AND is it true vista has like 6 version,

It has five versions:

Home Basic
Home Premium
Business
Enterprise
Ultimate

the best costing something
near $300?

The full version of Ultimate lists for $400, but can be bought for less from
the usual discount sources. Most home users don't need Ultimate and a
lower-level version, at lower prices, is adequate for them.

Why did they do this to us users? If it's true?

Do what? Nobody did anything to you. If you want Vista and the price is
acceptable, buy it, If not, don't. It's your choice.

 

[Roger Blake]

But, the computer community, nor anyother for that matter, can't fathom not
having the "latest and greatest". So, pay through your *ss and suck it up.

I gave up on Windows years ago and run Linux. Having worked with Unix
and Unix-like systems for the last 30 years makes it a natural for me,
but for most non-technical end users the best alternative is probably
the Mac. (Also Unix-based, but with a friendlier face.)

However I still have to deal with Windows in the field and my early
experiences with Vista are not very encouraging.

I'm also being told by one of my suppliers that major-brand OEM
versions of Vista will either not install or not activate on generic
hardware. (That is, if your Dell craps out you can't take the Vista
license and move it to a generic clone like you can with XP. If this is
the case you'd probably be hosed installing a generic motherboard in
your Dell, HP, etc., as well.) I have not verified this, but it would
not surprise me if it is true.

There is also some concern over the "fine print" in Vista licensing:

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/175801

 

[Bob Brown]

They only "CAN" because of the MORONS that buy Vista. It has to do
with the most basic economic factor - supply and demand. I'll make you a
absolute guarantee - if no one buys Vista;

1. The price will TUMBLE down to the cost to produce the product.

So it would be selling for $9.99?

 

[Bob Brown]

Also note that many of the people who badmouth Vista
have never even run it, just read about it. Not all the opinions you see are
informed opinions.

Have you ever heard of a Movie Review? They tell you if the movie is
good or sucks, based on that people go see the movie or not.

Why is it that when a review is positive, microsoft will quote it?
If the reviews are to be dismissed, shouldn't the positive reviews
also be dismissed?

Did you get your check yet?

 

[Ricky]

Have you ever heard of a Movie Review? They tell you if the movie is
good or sucks, based on that people go see the movie or not.

Why is it that when a review is positive, microsoft will quote it?
If the reviews are to be dismissed, shouldn't the positive reviews
also be dismissed?

Did you get your check yet?

But a movie review is just an opinion from someone that saw the movie..it's
not the same thing. Ive been running Vista since the first public beta and
I've had no problems either.

 

[Poprivet]

I've heard people say vista sucks ass. Are they jealous XP users or
does vista really suck that bad?

AND is it true vista has like 6 version, the best costing something
near $300?

Why did they do this to us users? If it's true?

You come to the place where folks with problems go for answers; soo, uhh,
you're only going to see problems here. NOt the best place to get such info
since the happy users arean't here. REsearch in places other than
newsgroups.

Here's a tip about a lot of hte problems: Notice how consistant the
compalints are NOT; they're all kinds of problems and questions, coming from
newbies to the programs and sometimes even problem machines, not to mention
the high incidence of pilot error. Places like this won't tell you much
about what you want to know, but you'll get plenty of crap from dsigusted
and frustrated users; it's called being human. Learn to research for
reviews and articles is a much better idea.

 

[Jerry]

I have been running Vista Ultimate <retail> now for about a month. Thank
goodness someone gave me Vista. I can NOT see how it can be worth the $400
price tag.

I am running Ultimate on old machine with 1gb RAM, with older audio and
video cards. So far this has not been an issue. I may not have all the
greatest features of Ultimate, but it seems to run fine.

Is it slow? Yes it is. Where WinXP Pro takes approximately 4 gb to install
with all the updates, Ultimate takes approximately 11gb to install with all
the updates. I would estimate it takes Ultimate twice as long to boot up as
XP does.

The biggest issue I have with Vista is the availability of software. The
defrag that comes with Vista totally sucks. Finding a good defrag for it,
is NOT easy <so far I have really found a good replacement>. Microsoft came
out with a list of 800 pieces of software certified to run on Vista. Of the
800 only about half are really certified. Of the 800, most are Microsoft or
affiliates of MS and very few of these are software that I would use.

I have tried some of my 32bit software that I normally would run and some
do work in a fashion. Example, I do a good bit of graphics work and PSP
7.04 is my software of choice. The basic PSP 7.0 installs and work as it
should, however when I update to 7.04, PSP does NOT work. Why this happens,
I not sure. I have seen this happen on several older pieces of software
that work fine as the basic install, but updates cause the software to
crash.

From what I have seen, I would wait at least 6 months before even thinking
of buying Vista. It has a long way to go before performing near as well as
WinXP. It may never perform as well infact. XP is really hard to beat for
an OS.

So pay your money and take your chances LOL.

 

[Bev]

You come to the place where folks with problems go for answers; soo, uhh,
you're only going to see problems here. NOt the best place to get such info
since the happy users arean't here. REsearch in places other than
newsgroups.

Here's a tip about a lot of hte problems: Notice how consistant the
compalints are NOT; they're all kinds of problems and questions, coming from
newbies to the programs and sometimes even problem machines, not to mention
the high incidence of pilot error. Places like this won't tell you much
about what you want to know, but you'll get plenty of crap from dsigusted
and frustrated users; it's called being human. Learn to research for
reviews and articles is a much better idea.

Right you are, and I'm just about convinced not to buy. Here's an
article from PC World, "The Most Annoying Things about Windows
Vista". The reader comments run pretty much as they do here.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129126/article.html?tk=nl_wbxnws

 

[Bob Brown]

But a movie review is just an opinion from someone that saw the movie..it's
not the same thing. Ive been running Vista since the first public beta and
I've had no problems either.

Why did you "need" vista? Was it like most who said they had to have
the latest and greatest or was their something vista offered that XP
didn't have?

 

[Ricky]

Why did you "need" vista? Was it like most who said they had to have
the latest and greatest or was their something vista offered that XP
didn't have?

I haven't bought Vista yet..I'm still using the RC2 version. I haven't
decided yet whether to buy or not. I'm dual booting with XP at the moment
till I do decide. It does have a lot of things XP doesn't have but I'm not
sure if I need them yet or not.

 

[Homer S.]

I've heard people say vista sucks ass. Are they jealous XP users or
does vista really suck that bad?

The short answer - YES! Last week I built a brand new machine using all
Vista 'approved and ready' hardware. It runs well overall, but it's
actually slower than my old XP machine, which has hardware in it that is
about 18 months old. The Vista machine has more memory, 2GB, and the
memory is faster, Kingston HyperX DDR2. The CPU is about twice as fast
and the video card is way ahead of my XP system. Still, the XP system is
faster. The only reason I loaded Vista is that I own and operate a PC
repair business and some of my customers have already made the mistake
of purchasing new laptops with Vista pre-installed. I have to support it
whether I like it or, which means I also have to use it. I won't even go
into the software compatibility issues I've had to deal with so far -
just one thing though. One of my customers uses a CAD program that is
basically his entire business. He found out the other day that there are
issues with Vista then promptly returned the five unopened Vista
upgrades packages to Best Buy - they're gonna love Micro$haft.

AND is it true vista has like 6 version, the best costing something
near $300?

I paid about $230 for Vista Home Premium DVD. I think it was a
monumental ripoff and Microsoft will ultimately lose a bundle on it.
Anyone running Windows XP on a system now would have to be an idiot to
'upgrade' to Vista. I just don't see any advantage at all and do see
many disadvantages. Micro$oft really stepped in it this time.

Why did they do this to us users? If it's true?

BTW, two of my larger business customers have already asked what it
would cost for me to remove Vista from their new laptops and go back to
XP. I have a feeling this Vista crap will knock Microsoft down a peg or
two. A good thing for us computer users.

Hey Billy...... Seeeeeeeeeeee Ya!