Deleting font from a style

[BJF]

Hi,
At one point I wanted to change the font in my document template, so I
changed the Normal style. And, since the document was primarily all outline
(using the Heading n) styles, I changed the font for Heading 1 to match - it
had been set to a different font in this particular template.
Now I want to change the font for the template, and in order to do it
successfully, I have to change both styles (Normal and Heading 1).
I'd like to only have to change the Normal style, but I can't find a way
to delete the font from the Heading 1 style. Heading 1 is based on Normal,
but it also has significant numbering and tab changes, so I'd prefer not to
overlay it with a default Heading 1 style and start over.
How can I delete the font from a style?
Thanks in advance,
Ben

 

[PTT, Inc.]

To change fonts assigned to styles:

1. Open your template that you want to change.
2. Click "Format", "Styles and formatting" to open the task pane (or just
"format", "Styles" in 2000 or 97).
3. Scroll down to find your style, click the dropdown arrow, then click
"Modify".
4. If a style is based on "Normal" it will be shown towards the top. If you
want it not to be based on "Normal", click the dropdown and select "No
style". This forces you to assign a font to that Style.

FWIW, I (ALWAYS) select the "Based on...", "No style". Reason being, if I
create a template that has various Heading styles and I base it on my
"Normal" style (which might be Times New Roman - 12 on my computer), and
others use this template, if their "Normal" style is Arial-10, well you can
see possible problems.

But then again if you base it on Normal, then all you have to do is change
Normal and all the styles based on it will change (unless you set specific
attributes that conflict with your Normal style, then they stick.

Hopefully this makes sense. The following link has additional info on
Styles:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=2569F5F7-0DCD-4C9B-
94C5-C14790BBBC11&displaylang=en

Bill Foley
www.pttinc.com

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

FWIW, I (ALWAYS) select the "Based on...", "No style". Reason being, if I

create a template that has various Heading styles and I base it on my
"Normal" style (which might be Times New Roman - 12 on my computer), and
others use this template, if their "Normal" style is Arial-10, well you can
see possible problems.

This would not be a problem, since the definition of Normal in your template
would be the applicable one, not the definition of Normal in their global
template (Normal.dot). The styles in each template are self-contained;
Normal.dot (and other global templates) provide only toolbars, macros,
AutoText, etc., overlaying those in the attached document template.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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[PTT, Inc.]

Let me make sure I understand this because I have seen problems in the past
that have baffled me (I know, no surprise)!

If I create a template on my machine and my "normal" style is Times New
Roman - 12 pt, and I create a bunch of other styles in my template that are
based on my "normal" style, but only change things like point size, bold,
italic, etc., and don't change the actual font, then when I send this to
another to use (who has Arial - 12 pt as their normal font), these styles
will remain Times New Roman - 12 pt?

If this seems to get other confused, I would be happy to take it "private".
This is just bugging me. I appreciate your patience in "learning" me!

Bill

 

[Jay Freedman]

Hi, Ben,

My experiment shows that if I modify Heading 1 to set the font name to the
same font as Normal, then the font name disappears from the "definition" of
Heading 1 (the list of characteristics in the tooltip when you hover over
the style in the Style task pane of Word 2002/2003, or labeled "Description"
in the Format > Style > Modify dialog in Word 2000). After that, changing
the font in Normal will automatically change the font in Heading 1. This has
no effect on tabs, numbering, or anything else that's different between the
two styles.

 

[Charles Kenyon]

It confuses lots of us! Suzanne is right. The key is to (almost never) have
the box checked under Tools => Templates and Add-Ins that tells word to
update the styles in the document from the template. With that option
unchecked, the styles in your document are independent of (although derived
from) styles in your attached template. Hope this helps clear up your
confusion.
--

Charles Kenyon

See the MVP FAQ: <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/> which is awesome!
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[Margaret Aldis]

Hi Jay

I agree with this, but it was not ever thus. At some point there has been a
change to behaviour, because I know I was tripped up in the past on this
one! In some earlier version of Word (probably 97), once you made a change
from the base style, that was 'hard wired', even if you changed it back (and
it disappeared from the style description). Subsequently changing the base
style then didn't ripple down in the expected way.

 

[Klaus Linke]

In some earlier version of Word (probably 97), once you made a change

from the base style, that was 'hard wired', even if you changed it back (and
it disappeared from the style description). Subsequently changing the base
style then didn't ripple down in the expected way.

Hi Margaret,

Strange, I don't remember that from any version.

But I often stumble across a similar "bug" that's always been there:
If you add some manual font formatting (or any other kind of manual
formatting) and then "remove" it by applying the font that's defined in the
style, Word will still consider the text as manually formatted.

So if you change the base style, a font change won't ripple down.

Only when you save the document, Word will clean up the mess.

Greetings,
Klaus

 

[Margaret Aldis]

Hi Klaus

Interesting - I may be misremembering the style cascading problem, but I
don't think I've crossed it with your 'bug', because I always use 'Default
Paragraph Font' to return to style - in fact, I think I would expect and
hope the font would 'stick' once applied manually on top of the style,
whether or not it matched the current style definition.

Yet another example of the missing 'third state', I feel - FrameMaker's 'As
Is' always struck me as a much cleaner concept, since you then get to define
the inheritance rules precisely