Defragment

[Poprivet]

Best be for what? That has nothing to do with the OP's issue.

Your best bet is to double your memory size. Not that expensive.

My bad. 37.2 GB I knew that, I'm just sick of working on this
thing. Think
I'll just be living with some files that can't be defragged.

Barb

No such thing as a 2.8 GHz hard drive. Click my computer, right
click your
hard drive, choose properties and see what size your HD is. 2.8
GHz must be
your clock speed.
Hi Gerry,

That's where I got the info. This is an HP WinXP Home Edition with
service
pack 2. It has a 2.8 GHz hard drive with 248 MB of RAM. It's
running mostly OK. I realize more RAM would help but I'm not in a
position to buy
any more simms just yet. I just don't understand why I keep
getting the
"some files could not be degragmented" thing. It's better by far
than it
was.

Barb

:

248 mb RAM is an odd amount to have! Right click on your My
Computer icon on your Desktop and select Properties. What does it
say there? --



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

shumogy wrote:
248 MG RAM Thanks for your help.

shumogy

:

I do not understand what you are concerned about. The disk is
not fragmented. You even have a contiguous pagefile. Your
pagefile does seem small for a Windows XP setup! How much RAM
memory do you have? --



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


shumogy wrote:
Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this
time. shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded
using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove
Temporary Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe
Mode. You should not need Perfect Disk, which you will have
to pay for after the expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk.
Select Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and
click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk
has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange
results with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at
a command prompt will reveal the possible commands and
explains that /r includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock
Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13
832 KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10 4 MB
\Program Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5
352 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5
76 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5
57 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\content.ucd "Gordon Shumway" wrote:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation
open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View
Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the
not defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table )
and the pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for
the MS Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to
25% is desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters
that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable
to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty
the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use
Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did
not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then
this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to
System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I
would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer
icon on the

 

[Unknown]

Of course it has. Are you sleeping? Reading the wrong post?

Best be for what? That has nothing to do with the OP's issue.

Your best bet is to double your memory size. Not that expensive.

My bad. 37.2 GB I knew that, I'm just sick of working on this
thing. Think
I'll just be living with some files that can't be defragged.

Barb

:

No such thing as a 2.8 GHz hard drive. Click my computer, right
click your
hard drive, choose properties and see what size your HD is. 2.8
GHz must be
your clock speed.
Hi Gerry,

That's where I got the info. This is an HP WinXP Home Edition with
service
pack 2. It has a 2.8 GHz hard drive with 248 MB of RAM. It's
running mostly OK. I realize more RAM would help but I'm not in a
position to buy
any more simms just yet. I just don't understand why I keep
getting the
"some files could not be degragmented" thing. It's better by far
than it
was.

Barb

:

248 mb RAM is an odd amount to have! Right click on your My
Computer icon on your Desktop and select Properties. What does it
say there? --



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

shumogy wrote:
248 MG RAM Thanks for your help.

shumogy

:

I do not understand what you are concerned about. The disk is
not fragmented. You even have a contiguous pagefile. Your
pagefile does seem small for a Windows XP setup! How much RAM
memory do you have? --



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


shumogy wrote:
Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this
time. shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded
using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove
Temporary Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe
Mode. You should not need Perfect Disk, which you will have
to pay for after the expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk.
Select Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and
click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk
has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange
results with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at
a command prompt will reveal the possible commands and
explains that /r includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock
Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13
832 KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10 4 MB \Program
Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5
352 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5
76 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5
57 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\content.ucd "Gordon Shumway" wrote:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation
open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View
Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the
not defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table )
and the pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for
the MS Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to
25% is desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters
that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable
to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty
the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use
Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did
not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then
this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to
System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I
would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer
icon on the

 

[Poprivet]

Probably 256MB RAM minus 8MB which is leeched by integrated graphics.

Yeah, he definitely needs to up the RAM to atleast 512MB.

Upping to 51M would be a good move, but nothing to do with the OP's issue/s.
If the computer is only used for surfing and e-mail, then it's a waste of
time and money. If it's running any RAM intensive apps, then the RAM would
help.
So it's not a "definitely" thing to have to do, only advisable if the OP
uses anything that uses much RAM. 256 with Video-robbing can be quite
sufficient for many users unless they want to run MS Office, any video
program, image editors, things like that. Many, many people never notice a
difference when they up it to 512 and wonder why.
I have 2 Gig of RAM, but you'd never know it from 256Meg for the things
the machine is doing at this particular moment. Fire up my video editing
apps though, and you'll be sitting here until next week waiting for renders
to happen with 256Meg. As it is, it still takes hours, the bottleneck now
being the video card itself and the disk access times. I defrag after EVERY
time I've done video editing and rendering sessions, but otherwise only
about once a month.

Overall, it depends on the disk usage how often one should defrag. Wait too
long and it'll take forever to defrag and you might have to run it twice or
thrice to defrag everything. Too often and it just wastes time if there's
almost nothing to do. Going by the "Analyze" messages is a good way to set
your schedule as to how often you should defrag. See how long it takes to
recommend a defrag, and after a few defrags, you'll have a sort of empirical
time period to use. Most get along well with once a month, some heavy users
once a week.

HTH

Pop`

 

[Unknown]

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get results.

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it likely just
jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the results. There is nothing
for the defragment program to do once it finished analyzing the disk or
maybe it moved a few k of files and was done.

If you are not getting a specific error message, then that's what's going
on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact contents here for
analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about half
what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero problems. The
only impact of the small pagefile would be a little slower operating times
as long as it in turn is not throwing up any error messages. No error
messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`

Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files
etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should not need
Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the expiration of
the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot. Click
on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I downloaded a
trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to defragment my
Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832
KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log
5 352 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5 76
KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp
5 57 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd


:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open Disk
Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click
on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp. Whether
you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should remove all but
the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would
reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the
Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C
drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag it
to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print out
the report, it does not show what files are still fragmented.
Any suggestions to help fix this?

 

[Gerry]

You are in an argumentative mood! This latest post was intended to
reassure not to give a definitive comment on the way that Disk
Defragmenter. Further comments inline

Top posted because the underlying response was top-posted.

Didn't you know the world is square?

Except that's not a case of misreporting.

Which case are you alleging my general comment applies to as I never
said.

Certain files must NOT be
moved on the disk; not even with defragmenters except in special
cirucumstances.

This was not an issue here!

Also, any file in use can not be defragged.

I made no comment on whether this was an issue. I do not think it arose
with regard to the OP's problem, except as far as the MFT table, and
that applies on every system I have ever seen.

That is normal and exists in ALL windows versions since at least
98. It would be a huge problem if defraggers DID defrag certain
files, especially any that were in use. That's the reason Defrag is
most effective in Safe Mode.

The Disk Defragmenter on a Windows 98 system was certain susceptible to
interuptions causing Disk Defragmenter to restart. Running the utility
in safe mode was generally recommended. This problem is less obvious in
Windows XP. I never need to use safe mode on my own system. However, if
one is troubleshooting a Disk Defragmenter problem it is sensible to
recommend that cause of action.

Again, that's erroneous and a common misunderstanding.

My experience is that it is true. If all the file currently being used
are fragmented and the ones you do not use are not it is difficult to
believe that there is no need to defragment is true, especially when an
improved performance is observed after having carried out the operation.
My assumption that statistics are used to determine whether or not
defragmentation may be incorrect but I suspect itis not.

It's a long
story so I'll leave the research to you, but basically the way defrag
works in that analysis of whether to defrag or not, is to make an
assumption about whether the type of fragmentsion present on the
drive will result in slower total access times.

I am sceptical regarding your assertion.

If not, then it is
not necessary to defrag. The fact that a file isn't contiguous does
not mean it'll slow down

I never said it did.

access times, especially if all the parts are on the same track or
adjacent tracks. The drive heads have to read that whole track
anyway, so whether it picks up one or a hundred pieces of the file,
the time taken was the same. It's when the message says you DO need
to format that there is fragmentation that is likely slowing things
down, IFF you happen to be using those portions of the disk. e.g.
using the fragmented files. Should you never happen to use the
fragmented data, then you'll never even know it's there from a User
point of view.

Your point applies to system restore points but if they are broken into
hundred of fragments they lead to further fragmentation of other files
which are being accessed.

This is why you'l find some purists who say that
defrag is a waste of time; but they're just as wrong as the ones who
say to defrag daily. Also there is nothing saying you can NOT
defrag, even if it's not necessary. You can run defrag whenever you
want to and if there is anything to defrag, it will, each time. If
nothign, it'll analyze the disk and depending on the application,
tell you there's nothing to do, or jump to the end of its routine and
produce a report such as the OP posted earlier.
HTH

Pop`

Defragmenting my drives takes minimal time and is just one amall
component in a housekeeping routine.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Gerry]

My feeling is that Poprivet is right on that one. He just reached that
conclusion nearly two days after that answer became obvious.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it likely
just jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the results. There
is nothing for the defragment program to do once it finished
analyzing the disk or maybe it moved a few k of files and was done.

If you are not getting a specific error message, then that's what's
going on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact
contents here for analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about
half what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero
problems. The only impact of the small pagefile would be a little
slower operating times as long as it in turn is not throwing up any
error messages. No error messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`

Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary
Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should
not need Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the
expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832
KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5
352 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5
76 KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB \Documents
and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5
57 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd
:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would
reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the
Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C
drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get
to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report
and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print out
the report, it does not show what files are still fragmented.
Any suggestions to help fix this?

 

[Unknown]

I think you are correct.

My feeling is that Poprivet is right on that one. He just reached that
conclusion nearly two days after that answer became obvious.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it likely
just jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the results. There
is nothing for the defragment program to do once it finished
analyzing the disk or maybe it moved a few k of files and was done.

If you are not getting a specific error message, then that's what's
going on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact
contents here for analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about
half what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero
problems. The only impact of the small pagefile would be a little
slower operating times as long as it in turn is not throwing up any
error messages. No error messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`



shumogy wrote:
Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary
Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should
not need Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the
expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5 352 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5 76 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB \Documents
and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5 57 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd "Gordon
Shumway" wrote:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would
reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the
Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C
drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get
to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report
and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print out
the report, it does not show what files are still fragmented.
Any suggestions to help fix this?

 

[Poprivet]

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get
news:%[email protected]...

He posted results right in his post.

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it likely
just jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the results. There
is nothing for the defragment program to do once it finished
analyzing the disk or maybe it moved a few k of files and was done.

If you are not getting a specific error message, then that's what's
going on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact
contents here for analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about
half what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero
problems. The only impact of the small pagefile would be a little
slower operating times as long as it in turn is not throwing up any
error messages. No error messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`

Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary
Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should
not need Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the
expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5 352
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5 76 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB \Documents
and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5 57 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd "Gordon
Shumway" wrote:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would
reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the
Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C
drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get
to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report
and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print out
the report, it does not show what files are still fragmented.
Any suggestions to help fix this?

 

[Unknown]

Wasn't that a later defrag?

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get
news:%[email protected]...

He posted results right in his post.

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it likely
just jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the results. There
is nothing for the defragment program to do once it finished
analyzing the disk or maybe it moved a few k of files and was done.

If you are not getting a specific error message, then that's what's
going on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact
contents here for analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about
half what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero
problems. The only impact of the small pagefile would be a little
slower operating times as long as it in turn is not throwing up any
error messages. No error messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`



shumogy wrote:
Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded using
Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary
Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should
not need Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the
expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on OK.
You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next boot.
Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After chkdsk has
completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive C.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log
22 128 KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log
17 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13 150 KB
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp
8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp
8 314 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
7 390 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5 352
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5 76
KB \Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB \Documents
and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5 57
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd "Gordon
Shumway" wrote:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that require
negligible free disk space to operate but most require a
similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to run
Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to empty the
Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If you use Outlook
Express you should compact before running Disk CleanUp.
Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you also should
remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not do
these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then this
will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System
Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would
reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the
Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C
drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get
to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report
and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print out
the report, it does not show what files are still fragmented.
Any suggestions to help fix this?

 

[Poprivet]

Dunno where you're going, but you've gone OT: we're done here.

Wasn't that a later defrag?

What on earth indicated to you the defrag completed? He didn't get
news:%[email protected]...

He posted results right in his post.

With all due respect, that looks like the scan DID complete. Since
there is nothing to defragment (disk is not fragmented), it
likely just jumped from 35 to 100% real quick and gave the
results. There is nothing for the defragment program to do once
it finished analyzing the disk or maybe it moved a few k of files
and was done. If you are not getting a specific error message, then
that's what's
going on. If you ARE getting an error message, post its exact
contents here for analysis.

Other than your Page File being a little on the small side, about
half what is probably best for such a small drive, I see zero
problems. The only impact of the small pagefile would be a little
slower operating times as long as it in turn is not throwing up any
error messages. No error messages, no literal problems. Be happy.

HTH

Pop`



shumogy wrote:
Below is the results I obtained. It got up to 35% done this time.

shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.02 GB
Free space = 30.24 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,830
Average file size = 217 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 24
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,140
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,103
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None


:

Gerry wrote:
I find it difficult to understand why you have not succeeded
using Microsoft Disk Defragmenter to defragment the drive.

Run Disk CleanUp to empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary
Files etc. Then run Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode. You should
not need Perfect Disk, which you will have to pay for after the
expiration of the trial period.

If Disk Defragmenter fails to complete then run chkdsk. Select
Start, Run, type "Chkdsk /f /r" wihout the quotes and click on
OK. You will be asked if you want chkdsk to run on the next
boot. Click on Y(Yes) and exit. Restart your computer. After
chkdsk has completed try running Disk Defragmenter again in
safe mode.

Except: Eliminate the /f from the command.
The /r includes the /f. You can sometimes get strange results
with both flags used at the same time. ChkDsk /? at a command
prompt will reveal the possible commands and explains that /r
includes /f.

Pop`




shumogy wrote:
Gordon,

Below is the what Disk Defragmentor says right now. I
downloaded a trail version of Perfect Disk 8. It want to
defragment my Metafiles on reboot but is unable to lock Drive
C. shumogy



Volume (C
Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.06 GB
Free space = 30.20 GB
Percent free space = 81 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,891
Average file size = 218 KB
Total fragmented files = 108
Total excess fragments = 469
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 372 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,022
Fragmented folders = 7
Excess folder fragments = 13

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 73 MB
MFT record count = 61,041
Percent MFT in use = 81 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
49 20 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.log 35 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\system.log 27 435 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Deleted Items.imm
23 631 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Logs\HTTP
- MSN Hotmail.log
22 105 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log 22 128
KB \Program
Files\NetRatingsNetmeter\NetMeter\netmeter.log 17 1 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\ntuser.dat.LOG 13
150 KB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log 13 832 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS28184D81-BE87-4762-8D18-808B57BBA574.tmp 11
2 MB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS988CED83-6ACE-4C98-8F1C-5F072D030C4E.tmp 11
1 KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG 10
4 MB \Program Files\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Masters\masters.mst 8 3 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC34A4F8C-464E-4ACF-848B-A44C45DB77C4.tmp 8 1 KB
\WINDOWS\system32\config\default.log 8 1 MB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSC6015A64-6ED6-4595-B5B7-BE4117DCE462.tmp 8 314
KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini 7 390 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\topics[1].htm 7 96 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Inbox.imm
7 448 KB \Documents and
Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMS01AC7228-2E8A-406F-9D02-CA9674AFC718.tmp
6 191 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\IM\Identities\{E5754146-1446-4D31-9F9B-F712AB487DCE}\Message
Store\Sent Items.imm
6 48 KB \StarmIRC\popups.ini
6 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log 5 352
KB \Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\L646NX1S\watermark_300x[1].bmp 5 76 KB
\Documents and Settings\LocalService\Application
Data\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\Temp 5 320 KB \Documents
and Settings\LocalService\Application Data\Webroot\Spy
Sweeper\Temp\SSMSFE0AF838-D7A1-4E45-840D-D48D0F77163A.tmp 5 57 KB
\Documents and Settings\Barb\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
5 47 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
5 92 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ywgcloaf.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
5 121 KB \Documents and
Settings\Barb\Local Settings\Application Data\IM\content.ucd
:

You didn't do this:

If you would like comments on your current fragmentation open
Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report
and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy.


GS



:

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the suggestions but it didn't work.

shumogy

:

Certain files are never listed although you will get the not
defragmented message. The MFT ( Master File Table ) and the
pagefile are examples.

In general terms a minimum of 15% free disk space for the MS
Disk Defragmenter to work effectively and 20 to 25% is
desirable. You can buy third party defragmenters that
require negligible free disk space to operate but most
require a similar amount to the MS Disk Defragmenter.

Before running the MS Disk Defragmenter it is desirable to
run Disk CleanUp (or a third party utility cCleaner) to
empty the Recycle Bin and remove Temporary Files etc. If
you use Outlook Express you should compact before running
Disk CleanUp. Whether you use Disk CleanUp or cCleaner you
also should remove all but the latest System Restore
point -the More Options tab in Disk CleanUp. If you did not
do these tasks before running the MS Disk Defragmenter then
this will partly explain the poor result you achieved.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to
System Restore on your C partition which is over generous.
I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer
icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the
cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time find
the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb
and exit. When you get to the Settings screen click on
Apply and OK and exit. If you would like comments on your
current fragmentation
open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View
Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt
in your My Documents Folder and post a copy.



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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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shumogy wrote:
When I run Disk Defragmenter it stops at between 30-50% and
tells me some files can't be defragmented. When I print
out the report, it does not show what files are still
fragmented. Any suggestions to help fix this?