Defender interferes with McAfee VirusScan

[Guest]

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user. Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical. The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
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Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
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Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note!
3/24/2006
7:46 PM PST

By: Old Rebel In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat

 

[Guest]

hle Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 151552 Bytes
File Version: 10, 0, 0, 20
Date Installed: 3/7/2006 7:22:28 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Allowed
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: Not applicable

Yes, it made sense, and I finally got it to work. I had not tweaked my
settings, which are advanced user. I first noticed the change when I changed
the time for my VirusScan schedule at VirusScan Options. Defender notified
me that a change was being made, but did not require me to "allow" it. I
noticed then that it was "allowed."
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user. Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical. The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

:

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note!
3/24/2006
7:46 PM PST

By: Old Rebel In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat

 

[Guest]

Sure enough, only difference is McAfee versions (your 10, I'm 9) and file
size. The startup values and file path are identical. After I saw your post
I went right in to change the scan time and got the defender pop up. It
keeps prompting me to allow though. I did this several times (changed scan
times) last night hoping it wouldn't prompt me to allow, but didn't have such
luck. Thanks for all your input and info. I think I'll give it a rest
awhile and see what happens. I'm sure these beta experts have bigger fish to
fry like getting it to work w/ IE7 and solving the updating issues that seem
to be the majority of the issues. Not on IE7 yet, and mine updates
automatically just fine. It does peeve me though when an expert asks me
"have I turned off notification of unknown threats" I have no idea what he's
talking about. I asked for simple clarification and haven't heard back.

Regards,
Kevin

hle Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 151552 Bytes
File Version: 10, 0, 0, 20
Date Installed: 3/7/2006 7:22:28 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Allowed
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: Not applicable

Yes, it made sense, and I finally got it to work. I had not tweaked my
settings, which are advanced user. I first noticed the change when I changed
the time for my VirusScan schedule at VirusScan Options. Defender notified
me that a change was being made, but did not require me to "allow" it. I
noticed then that it was "allowed."
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user. Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical. The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

:

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

 

[Guest]

Good grief!!! The notifications for changes made by UNKNOWN software is the
LAST notification that I would ever turn off. That interesting only as an
experiment, but not as a way to run Defender normally. If that were the case,
you might as well turn off Defenders RTP completely. That setting is under
general settings but it is worded differently that the one the "experts"
posted.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Sure enough, only difference is McAfee versions (your 10, I'm 9) and file
size. The startup values and file path are identical. After I saw your post
I went right in to change the scan time and got the defender pop up. It
keeps prompting me to allow though. I did this several times (changed scan
times) last night hoping it wouldn't prompt me to allow, but didn't have such
luck. Thanks for all your input and info. I think I'll give it a rest
awhile and see what happens. I'm sure these beta experts have bigger fish to
fry like getting it to work w/ IE7 and solving the updating issues that seem
to be the majority of the issues. Not on IE7 yet, and mine updates
automatically just fine. It does peeve me though when an expert asks me
"have I turned off notification of unknown threats" I have no idea what he's
talking about. I asked for simple clarification and haven't heard back.

Regards,
Kevin

hle Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 151552 Bytes
File Version: 10, 0, 0, 20
Date Installed: 3/7/2006 7:22:28 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Allowed
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: Not applicable

Yes, it made sense, and I finally got it to work. I had not tweaked my
settings, which are advanced user. I first noticed the change when I changed
the time for my VirusScan schedule at VirusScan Options. Defender notified
me that a change was being made, but did not require me to "allow" it. I
noticed then that it was "allowed."
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user. Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

:

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical. The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

:

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


"Brandon" wrote:

 

[Bill Sanderson MVP]

Sorry I've not had much time in this group lately:

Tools, General Options, Real Time protection options.
Choose when Windows Defender should notfy you.
"When changes are detected from software that has not yet been classified."

As I recall, and I may be mistaken, this one is unchecked by default. I'd
recommend leaving it that way for most users. If you check this one, in
addition to known bad objects, you will be alerted to every object Spynet
does not have clear information about yet, and required to make a decision
about it--which is just what you've been describing, right?

This is in no way analogous to turning RTP off--it just means that you will
not be seeing alerts to objects that are not yet classified. Yes--those
might well be brand new malware, but they are even more likely to be mundane
drivers, etc, that simply haven't been classified yet by Spynet.

I believe that both the checkboxes in this section are default unchecked,
and that setting is appropriate for most users. If you check them you
should be prepared for the prompts that will arise.

I've got them checked, and enjoy the extra view it gives me, for example, of
what is happening during an app install. But I'd never check them for an
average user in an office, and if they were popping up on a daily basis, I'd
probably turn them off and only use them strategically.

--

Good grief!!! The notifications for changes made by UNKNOWN software is
the
LAST notification that I would ever turn off. That interesting only as an
experiment, but not as a way to run Defender normally. If that were the
case,
you might as well turn off Defenders RTP completely. That setting is under
general settings but it is worded differently that the one the "experts"
posted.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Sure enough, only difference is McAfee versions (your 10, I'm 9) and file
size. The startup values and file path are identical. After I saw your
post
I went right in to change the scan time and got the defender pop up. It
keeps prompting me to allow though. I did this several times (changed
scan
times) last night hoping it wouldn't prompt me to allow, but didn't have
such
luck. Thanks for all your input and info. I think I'll give it a rest
awhile and see what happens. I'm sure these beta experts have bigger
fish to
fry like getting it to work w/ IE7 and solving the updating issues that
seem
to be the majority of the issues. Not on IE7 yet, and mine updates
automatically just fine. It does peeve me though when an expert asks me
"have I turned off notification of unknown threats" I have no idea what
he's
talking about. I asked for simple clarification and haven't heard back.

Regards,
Kevin

hle Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 151552 Bytes
File Version: 10, 0, 0, 20
Date Installed: 3/7/2006 7:22:28 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Allowed
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: Not applicable

Yes, it made sense, and I finally got it to work. I had not tweaked my
settings, which are advanced user. I first noticed the change when I
changed
the time for my VirusScan schedule at VirusScan Options. Defender
notified
me that a change was being made, but did not require me to "allow" it.
I
noticed then that it was "allowed."
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user.
Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from
your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't
seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the
last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I
ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out
loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and
dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right
clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click
inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

:

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical.
The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I
know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified
on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates,
etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you
compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe"
/checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few.
Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed
Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my
scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely
uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little
longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

:

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender
updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My
scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change
in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification
of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words.
I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high
medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track?
Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options
you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little
more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of
unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms
specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all
responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from
which they
originated.
message
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The
claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to
choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to
see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the
McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that
the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and
permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is
tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the
appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers
installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and
complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One
Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One
security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special
protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others,
the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in
the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but
maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated
situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this
situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using
IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's
abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the
issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall
one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take
it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a
"laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy"
websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and
complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue
beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with
windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I
have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running
in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and
hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to
go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a
final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone
Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us
with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may
conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of
Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take
it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s
really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the
hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM
and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled
after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much
better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS
it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical
applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or
"don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a
conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of
hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6
vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The
sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just
take it!


"Brandon" wrote:

 

[Steve Dodson [MSFT]]

Bill is correct here... as new and less used software is out in the
environment, we will never know about "all" binaries for every piece of
software (think college computer science programs). With that said, in the
previous version (Microsoft Windows Anti-Spyware Beta 1) constant feedback
told us to remove the unknown toasts. With that vocal feedback, we removed
the unknown prompts but allow people to enable the prompt even if they may
not be able to act upon it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.

Sorry I've not had much time in this group lately:

Tools, General Options, Real Time protection options.
Choose when Windows Defender should notfy you.
"When changes are detected from software that has not yet been
classified."

As I recall, and I may be mistaken, this one is unchecked by default. I'd
recommend leaving it that way for most users. If you check this one, in
addition to known bad objects, you will be alerted to every object Spynet
does not have clear information about yet, and required to make a decision
about it--which is just what you've been describing, right?

This is in no way analogous to turning RTP off--it just means that you
will not be seeing alerts to objects that are not yet classified.
Yes--those might well be brand new malware, but they are even more likely
to be mundane drivers, etc, that simply haven't been classified yet by
Spynet.

I believe that both the checkboxes in this section are default unchecked,
and that setting is appropriate for most users. If you check them you
should be prepared for the prompts that will arise.

I've got them checked, and enjoy the extra view it gives me, for example,
of what is happening during an app install. But I'd never check them for
an average user in an office, and if they were popping up on a daily
basis, I'd probably turn them off and only use them strategically.

--

Good grief!!! The notifications for changes made by UNKNOWN software is
the
LAST notification that I would ever turn off. That interesting only as an
experiment, but not as a way to run Defender normally. If that were the
case,
you might as well turn off Defenders RTP completely. That setting is
under
general settings but it is worded differently that the one the "experts"
posted.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Sure enough, only difference is McAfee versions (your 10, I'm 9) and
file
size. The startup values and file path are identical. After I saw your
post
I went right in to change the scan time and got the defender pop up. It
keeps prompting me to allow though. I did this several times (changed
scan
times) last night hoping it wouldn't prompt me to allow, but didn't have
such
luck. Thanks for all your input and info. I think I'll give it a rest
awhile and see what happens. I'm sure these beta experts have bigger
fish to
fry like getting it to work w/ IE7 and solving the updating issues that
seem
to be the majority of the issues. Not on IE7 yet, and mine updates
automatically just fine. It does peeve me though when an expert asks me
"have I turned off notification of unknown threats" I have no idea what
he's
talking about. I asked for simple clarification and haven't heard back.

Regards,
Kevin

:

hle Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee.com\VSO\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 151552 Bytes
File Version: 10, 0, 0, 20
Date Installed: 3/7/2006 7:22:28 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Allowed
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: Not applicable

Yes, it made sense, and I finally got it to work. I had not tweaked
my
settings, which are advanced user. I first noticed the change when I
changed
the time for my VirusScan schedule at VirusScan Options. Defender
notified
me that a change was being made, but did not require me to "allow" it.
I
noticed then that it was "allowed."
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:

Thanks for replying, I've changed my setting back to advanced user.
Maybe
(shooting in the dark) they have been able to collect more data from
your
exact issue and since mine has been set for Basic user they aren't
seeing my
issue. I'm glad yours is resolved. Are you fairly sure it was the
last
update that did it? Have you been tweaking settings? The reason I
ask, is
you may have unknowingly resolved it yourself (just thinking out
loud).
Thanks again

Oh yeah, I was highlighting data to share, as usual holding and
dragging
left mouse button, using Ctrl C to copy highlighted data, as right
clicking
to copy doesn't work within Defender. Then I would right click
inside post
reply form and I did have the paste option. Hope that made sense.

Kevin

:

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical.
The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I
know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
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:

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified
on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows
updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you
compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe"
/checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few.
Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed
Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if
my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely
uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little
longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

:

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender
updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My
scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change
in
classification.
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:

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by
"notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words.
I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high
medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track?
Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options
you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little
more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of
unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The
claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to
choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to
see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the
McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires
that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and
permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is
tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the
appearance of
exclusivity.
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:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers
installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and
complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One
Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One
security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special
protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others,
the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in
the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but
maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated
situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this
situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups
using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the
MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the
issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to
uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take
it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a
"laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy"
websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and
complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue
beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with
windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I
have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still
running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and
hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me
to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as
a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone
Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us
with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may
conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of
Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just
take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s
really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the
hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with
MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled
after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much
better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS
it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical
applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or
"don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a
conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of
hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6
vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The
sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just
take it!


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