Defender interferes with McAfee VirusScan

[Guest]

There have been several thread related to issues between Defender and McAfee,
but there has been no response from anyone related to Microsoft or any of the
MVP"s. It anything being done to resolve the conflicts? We were asked to
provide more information, and we did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In: microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note! 3/24/2006 7:46 PM
PST

By: Old Rebel In: microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat

 

[Guest]

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an issue between
McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows Defender and I don't
have any conflicts with McAfee and Defender so far

 

[Guest]

I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft tell folks
to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious that those of us
who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for IE7 is getting old.

 

[plun]

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun

 

[Guest]

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many problems
with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to install them now.
I'll do that when they are released as a final product - if they work. I
notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I suppose as soon as
Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be pushed to upgrade. Some other
new vulnerability may conveniently come along to help push us. Maybe I shoud
replace all of Windows with something else entirely!!!

 

[plun]

Hi Old Rebel

Well, only take one step and check out any problems.

- WD works.

- IE7 also works and it is ready, this is "only" a "lawyer" problem for
MS. Maybe IE7 destroys some business for a small group of users and
sites. I cannot find any disturbing bugs within latest version.

Also install Firefox if something fails with IE7, then you have a
backup browser.

- One Care.... well.... It is really bloaty IMHO and why even think
about it.

- Vista..... we haven´t seen any real answers about whats going on
with Vista, Mr Nash also goes-"the parrot man", probably also Mr
Ballmer...

I can notice stupid issues with Vista as with Bitlocker and UAP (user
account protection) and I believe MS have severe problems with this
functions and authoritys for jurisdiction and competition now wakes up.

regards
plun

 

[Guest]

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

 

[Guest]

I did not start this thread to debate IE7. I started it because nobody has
suggested a solution for the conflict between Defender and the McAfee
scheduler for scans. I assume there is no solution, or they just don't care
to answer. If you read the two other threads I refererence in the beginning,
you will know what problems I am talking about. It is very specific.

 

[plun]

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

 

[plun]

Hi

For sure they are working with different protections which interferes
with each other.

But I don´t believe that MS, Symantec, McAfee, TrendMicro (the big
ones) are so friendly to each other any longer beacuse of One Care.

Just wait and see. All of "the big ones" also plans better security
packages as for example Genesis from Symantec.

I am running a special engine from TrendMicro and regularly sends
information to TM. So this will be a battle........

regards
plun

 

[Guest]

I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if will
be Defender!!!

 

[plun]

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun

 

[Guest]

Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of exclusivity.

 

[Guest]

Rebel, another 2 days without any disabled virus scans as a general user. Of
course it's not right still since the events are still being logged. However
both my scans (McAfee and Defender) are running nightly. I really want to
set for advanced as I want to actively contribute to the success of the beta,
however if it needs to "dumb me down" to general user in order to work w/out
conflict then so be it. I really believe a response is owed and not alot to
ask. Here I'll even script it for them.

It's a known issue and be assured we are looking into it. It is not our
intention to purposely interfere with well known and respected AV program.
Please realize this is a beta and there is no ETA. You're making note of
this matter is appreciated.

or

It must be a AV vendor issue. We have no intentions of creating a service
or a program that integrates with all 3rd party vendor software. You're
welcome to continue to use the beta program at your own risk. You might
consider contacting your AV vendor or continue reading these posts for a
possible workaround.

I guess anything is better than nothing.

Kevin

 

[Steve Dodson [MSFT]]

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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[Guest]

Hi Steve! I don't know. I have never considered turning off alerts for
changes made by unclassified programs. Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose
of having Defender's RTP?
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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[Guest]

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.

 

[Guest]

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.

Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note!
3/24/2006
7:46 PM PST

By: Old Rebel In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat

 

[Guest]

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note!
3/24/2006
7:46 PM PST

By: Old Rebel In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat

 

[Guest]

Mine is clearly allowed and our Defenders appear to be identical. The McAfee
task handler files, however, seem to be different. I am not sure I know how
to paste info from software explorer, but mine is mcmnhdlr.exe
version 10.0.0.20 - 15,1552 bytes.
Allowed - Spynet voting not applicable.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Really? Looks like I'm solo now. Still showing not classified on mine.
I've tried forcing update from defender, went to windows updates, etc. says
I have latest. I've rebooted. I've pasted mine here, can you compare your
version to mine?

Windows Defender Version: 1.1.1051.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1303.0
Signature Version: 1.14.1361.6

File Name: mcmnhdlr.exe
Display Name: McAfee VirusScan
Description: McAfee VirusScan Command Handler
Publisher: McAfee, Inc.
Digitally Signed By: NOT SIGNED
File Type: Application
Startup Value: "c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe" /checktask
File Path: c:\PROGRA~1\mcafee.com\vso\mcmnhdlr.exe
File Size: 143360 Bytes
File Version: 9, 1, 0, 10
Date Installed: 1/1/2005 5:13:15 PM
Startup Type: Registry: Local Machine
Location: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Classification: Not yet classified
Ships With OS: No
SpyNet Voting: In Progress

You can see above "Not yet classified"

I'm beginning to wonder if this problem isn't unique to a few. Think of all
the folks out there that run Mcafee and have possibly installed Defender, and
there is only a couple of folks complaining. At this point if my scans
weren't completing successfully I would consider completely uninstalling both
and reinstalling just to see but I think I'll wait a little longer as your
message gives a glimmer of hope.

Kevin

I believe the question is now moot. With todays Defender updates, it appears
that the McAfee task handler is now ALLOWED software. My scheduled virus scan
ran without a hitch tonight, right after I noticed the change in
classification.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!

Steve,
My ignorance showing, not sure what you mean by "notification of unknown
threats" I can't find tthat option in those specific words. I'm assuming it
has to do w/ Tools/General settings/Default Actions for high medium low.
Mine are all set to Signature Default. Am I on right track? Or way off base?
I'm set as a general user so I may be missing some options you're seeing.
I'm willing to experiment but you may need to be a little more descriptive w/
me. Thanks for your reply!

Kevin
:

Does the problem go away if you turn off notification of unknown threats?
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm

Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all responses to this
message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from which they
originated.
Maybe your right, Plun, about the overall situation. The claim is that
Vista
will be complete with One Care but will permit users to choose 3rd party
security applications. I guess we will have to wait to see if that really
works. But this one small issue between Defender and the McAfee task
scheduler seems easy enough to fix; it only requires that the specific
application be reclassified in Defender as known and permitted. Now I can
understand why some Norton users feel like Microsoft is tyring to
eliminate
the competition. Deliberate or not, it gives the appearance of
exclusivity.
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

Well, this is a "mess" and everyone knows it.

Just wait and see, I believe that all security vendors
have all "tickets" between them and tries to figure out
how to solve it. Of course McAfee support engineers installs every
standard configuration with also WD installed and complain directly to
MS. WD is a "threat" for every security vendor and One Care.

I am rather sure that we will have to choose "One security package"
soon, there is no room for small vendors with special protection or
mixed protections from different vendors, just a mess.

One Care will be one, Symantec, TM and McAfee others, the rest will be
out if they don´t make complete stand alone packages.

So this is for sure a challenge and WD is one piece in the "puzzle".

But for me it´s really easy to see this development but maybe I´m
wrong ? (with Vista it´s an even more complicated situation how to
build an security application or standard application)

I don´t belive that any MVP can solve this situation..........

regards
plun


I have been going blind reading these newsgroups using IE6. I just came
back
using Firefox and I can finally see!!! Have the MVP's abandoned this
newsgroup? Apparently nobody wants to address the issue of conflicts
between
Defender and McAfee scheduler. If I have to uninstall one of them, if
will
be Defender!!!
--
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Well

Beta or not for IE7, I believe this only is a "laywer" challenge for
MS
Redmond to solve ie a small amount of "sleepy" websites with special
solutions but their laywers can go to Redmond and complain, "business
critical disturbance"

With One Care there is a totally different issue beacuse One Care is
"Intrusive"......

IMHO

regards
plun

Remember that IE7 is still in beta the same with windows live
onecare,
windows live safety center and windows defender. I have IE7 and the
only
issue is with McAfee but the engine is still running in the
background and
protecting my computer from viruses and malware.

:

I have been reading these newsgroups tool long and hearing too many
problems with IE7, Defender and ONe Care for me to go running to
install
them now. I'll do that when they are released as a final product -
if
they work. I notice they have had to postpone Vista. Problems??? I
suppose as soon as Vista does come out, all of us with XP will be
pushed
to upgrade. Some other new vulnerability may conveniently come
along to
help push us. Maybe I shoud replace all of Windows with something
else
entirely!!! --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

Hi

To get yourself a much better protection it´s really important to
upgrade to IE7..... it´s also a great browser !

Nevertheless of latest vulnerability, under the hood there are a
lot of
much better solutions to avoid malware.

The problem I´ve seen are some problems with MSXLM and reinstalls
cure
it. Also that a lot of ActiveX beeing disabled after upgrade but
that
is
only good to start over with IE7. Also a much better cookie
handling.

If IE7 was a program from another vendor then MS it would be out
but
now we have the problem with business critical applications and
laywers
running to Redmond with complaints........... or "don´t eat it"
problems

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

regards
plun


I don't have IE7, but I am still having a conflict between
Defender and
scheduled McAFee VirusScans. I am also tired of hearing Mircosoft
tell
folks to use IE7 to avoid the new IE6 vulnerability. It's obvious
that
those of us who have McAfee can't use IE7. The sales pitch for
IE7 is
getting old. --
Old Rebel: Too Old to Rebel; Too Young to just take it!


:

If you have IE7 Beta 2 preview in your computer, there is an
issue
between McAfee and IE7. I have McAfee VirusScan 10.0 and Windows
Defender and I don't have any conflicts with McAfee and
Defender so
far

:

There have been several thread related to issues between
Defender and
McAfee, but there has been no response from anyone related to
Microsoft or any of the MVP"s. It anything being done to
resolve
the conflicts? We were asked to provide more information, and
we
did:

Subject: McAfee disabled by Defender 3/16/2006 9:31 AM PST

By: Tommy In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
Subject: Steve Dodson and Bill Sanderson - Please note!
3/24/2006
7:46 PM PST

By: Old Rebel In:
microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat