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measekite
Sparky wrote:
measekite wrote:
They are when the companies keep them proprietary so I have to pay $20 for an OEM ink cartridge compared to $3 or $4 for oem. Gee Whiz I just met a bunch of smart people buying Canon ink at Costco for around $10.00 a cartridge. I am surprised that you are paying twice as much.
I'm not, I'm trying to decide which OTHER printer I can buy that doesn't use proprietary chipped ink cartridges. I saw oem cartridges advertised for anywhere from $13 to $20 per cartridge, but even at your "around" $10/cartridge, that comes out to "around" $50 a set, whereas I can get them for $10 or $12 per non-oem set.
You see your thinking is not right. You cannot get THEM because the them you say are inferior and can damage your printer, fade your photos and the quality is not as good. So you cannot compare apples with rotten tomatoes.
But, even then, the problem I really have with Canon (and other manufacturers following the same route) is that they're not saying "If you don't use our inks, your warranty is void.".
Good. Why should they sell you a printer; let another mfg break it; and then fix it for free. Do you think if you buy a gasoline Toyota and then put diesel fuel in it that Toyota should fix it for free.
Instead, they're dictating that I can only use THEIR ink in MY printer.
They designed the printing system and they have a right to recommend what they want and design it any way they want. You have a right to print with a fountain pen if you do not like it.
I should be able to use lampblack and whale oil if I wanted! If my printer died as a result of my stupidity, then so much the better - I'd be smarter, they'd sell me another printer, and everyone would be happy. Now tossing it back to you, what would your reaction be if you went to buy a a car and the dealership said that you could only use Crown gas in the tank, Penzoil oil in the engine, and Dom Perignon in the windshield washer? Personally, I'd buy a different manufacturer's car. I was under the impression that a lot of our forefathers fought and died defending the rights of people to make their own decisions.
It sounds to me like you do not know your forefathers.
Is Canon's ink really THAT much better? Absolutely
Have you any independent test results, or is that just the (world's shortest) gospel according to measkite?
My ip-4200 just ran out of ink, and I found that I can buy a whole new ip-4200 printer (with a brand-spanking new set of OEM inks) for less than I could buy the set of inks alone. Then that is the way to go. You should take advantage of that deal.
I'm still confused though. Why is (ink + printer) < ink? Just using simple math and economics, that would mean that either printer < 0, which seems unlikely, or there's another reason...like they're essentially giving the printer away to get folks into the ink pipeline? I'm open to other suggestions...
I'm curious too, measkite - are you one of those folks who take your car back to the dealership for regular service so you don't "void the warranty"? Nope, I take my car back to the dealer for service because they know the car, do the job right the first time, and I do not have problems and just pay a little more. In the long term I probably spend less.
Wow, do you still believe in Santa Claus too? My son is a mechanic, and his first job was in a large Toyota dealership which he lovingly referred to as "the land of misfit mechanics". Most of the employees were the dregs who weren't competent or motivated enough to get a job working in an independent shop, and the dealership still charged an arm and a leg and tried to jack up the bill with unnecessary work. A lot of his friends, who also started in dealerships, had the same opinions. You should find a private garage with capable mechanics you personally know and trust, and stick with them. You'll be happier, less poor, and probably safer to boot.
measekite wrote:
They are when the companies keep them proprietary so I have to pay $20 for an OEM ink cartridge compared to $3 or $4 for oem. Gee Whiz I just met a bunch of smart people buying Canon ink at Costco for around $10.00 a cartridge. I am surprised that you are paying twice as much.
I'm not, I'm trying to decide which OTHER printer I can buy that doesn't use proprietary chipped ink cartridges. I saw oem cartridges advertised for anywhere from $13 to $20 per cartridge, but even at your "around" $10/cartridge, that comes out to "around" $50 a set, whereas I can get them for $10 or $12 per non-oem set.
You see your thinking is not right. You cannot get THEM because the them you say are inferior and can damage your printer, fade your photos and the quality is not as good. So you cannot compare apples with rotten tomatoes.
But, even then, the problem I really have with Canon (and other manufacturers following the same route) is that they're not saying "If you don't use our inks, your warranty is void.".
Good. Why should they sell you a printer; let another mfg break it; and then fix it for free. Do you think if you buy a gasoline Toyota and then put diesel fuel in it that Toyota should fix it for free.
Instead, they're dictating that I can only use THEIR ink in MY printer.
They designed the printing system and they have a right to recommend what they want and design it any way they want. You have a right to print with a fountain pen if you do not like it.
I should be able to use lampblack and whale oil if I wanted! If my printer died as a result of my stupidity, then so much the better - I'd be smarter, they'd sell me another printer, and everyone would be happy. Now tossing it back to you, what would your reaction be if you went to buy a a car and the dealership said that you could only use Crown gas in the tank, Penzoil oil in the engine, and Dom Perignon in the windshield washer? Personally, I'd buy a different manufacturer's car. I was under the impression that a lot of our forefathers fought and died defending the rights of people to make their own decisions.
It sounds to me like you do not know your forefathers.
Is Canon's ink really THAT much better? Absolutely
Have you any independent test results, or is that just the (world's shortest) gospel according to measkite?
My ip-4200 just ran out of ink, and I found that I can buy a whole new ip-4200 printer (with a brand-spanking new set of OEM inks) for less than I could buy the set of inks alone. Then that is the way to go. You should take advantage of that deal.
I'm still confused though. Why is (ink + printer) < ink? Just using simple math and economics, that would mean that either printer < 0, which seems unlikely, or there's another reason...like they're essentially giving the printer away to get folks into the ink pipeline? I'm open to other suggestions...
I'm curious too, measkite - are you one of those folks who take your car back to the dealership for regular service so you don't "void the warranty"? Nope, I take my car back to the dealer for service because they know the car, do the job right the first time, and I do not have problems and just pay a little more. In the long term I probably spend less.
Wow, do you still believe in Santa Claus too? My son is a mechanic, and his first job was in a large Toyota dealership which he lovingly referred to as "the land of misfit mechanics". Most of the employees were the dregs who weren't competent or motivated enough to get a job working in an independent shop, and the dealership still charged an arm and a leg and tried to jack up the bill with unnecessary work. A lot of his friends, who also started in dealerships, had the same opinions. You should find a private garage with capable mechanics you personally know and trust, and stick with them. You'll be happier, less poor, and probably safer to boot.