Copy and swap hard drive

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Greg Maxey

I have a 160G hard drive in the disk 0 position of my controller. I bought
a 250G hard drive that I want to make my primary drive (in disk 0 postion)
and move the 160G to drive position 1 to use for storing backups, images,
etc.

The current 160G drive has four partitions. System C:, Programs D:, Data
E:, and Swap File F:,

Using Norton Ghost I copied C:, D:, E: and F;< to the 250G drive that I put
in Disk 1 position temporarilly. Now I have an exact copy of the small disk
on the larger disk. This part was easy (an perhaps a complete waste of
time).

The 250G drive now has four partitions J:, K:, L:, and M: I set J: to be an
active drive and loaded the Master Boot Record files to it.

Now I am in a log jam. How do I change the drive letters on the larger
drive that I want to be primary to and how do I get XP to boot up on the new
drive (I want it in Position 0 ultimately).

I tried taking the smaller drive out of the system and moving the new larger
drive to position 0 and then rebooting the machine. I thought that once
booted that I could change the drive letters. For some reason WindowsXP
froze on the welcome screen. I even tried to repair the installation on the
new drive but the reinstallation froze at the 27 minute mark.

Can anyone direct me to how to achieve this. Thanks.
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Greg Maxey said:
I have a 160G hard drive in the disk 0 position of my controller. I bought
a 250G hard drive that I want to make my primary drive (in disk 0 postion)
and move the 160G to drive position 1 to use for storing backups, images,
etc.

The current 160G drive has four partitions. System C:, Programs D:, Data
E:, and Swap File F:,

Using Norton Ghost I copied C:, D:, E: and F;< to the 250G drive that I put
in Disk 1 position temporarilly. Now I have an exact copy of the small disk
on the larger disk. This part was easy (an perhaps a complete waste of
time).

The 250G drive now has four partitions J:, K:, L:, and M: I set J: to be an
active drive and loaded the Master Boot Record files to it.

Now I am in a log jam. How do I change the drive letters on the larger
drive that I want to be primary to and how do I get XP to boot up on the new
drive (I want it in Position 0 ultimately).

I tried taking the smaller drive out of the system and moving the new larger
drive to position 0 and then rebooting the machine. I thought that once
booted that I could change the drive letters. For some reason WindowsXP
froze on the welcome screen. I even tried to repair the installation on the
new drive but the reinstallation froze at the 27 minute mark.

Can anyone direct me to how to achieve this. Thanks.


--
Greg Maxey/Word MVP
See:
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm
For some helpful tips using Word.

You may have to to reset the volume names on the larger disk.
To do so, disconnect the smaller disk and leave the larger disk
as the primary master. Now boot the machine with your WinXP
CD and get into the Recovery Console. From there run fixmbr.
According to MS this should force WinXP to reassign its volume
names on the next boot.
 
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Anna

Greg Maxey said:
I have a 160G hard drive in the disk 0 position of my controller. I bought
a 250G hard drive that I want to make my primary drive (in disk 0 postion)
and move the 160G to drive position 1 to use for storing backups, images,
etc.

The current 160G drive has four partitions. System C:, Programs D:, Data
E:, and Swap File F:,

Using Norton Ghost I copied C:, D:, E: and F;< to the 250G drive that I
put in Disk 1 position temporarilly. Now I have an exact copy of the
small disk on the larger disk. This part was easy (an perhaps a complete
waste of time).

The 250G drive now has four partitions J:, K:, L:, and M: I set J: to be
an active drive and loaded the Master Boot Record files to it.

Now I am in a log jam. How do I change the drive letters on the larger
drive that I want to be primary to and how do I get XP to boot up on the
new drive (I want it in Position 0 ultimately).

I tried taking the smaller drive out of the system and moving the new
larger drive to position 0 and then rebooting the machine. I thought that
once booted that I could change the drive letters. For some reason
WindowsXP froze on the welcome screen. I even tried to repair the
installation on the new drive but the reinstallation froze at the 27
minute mark.

Can anyone direct me to how to achieve this. Thanks.


--
Greg Maxey/Word MVP
See:
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm
For some helpful tips using Word.


Greg:
I know we've had a discussion re using the Ghost program (the 2003 version)
a day or two ago. Is the problem you're describing above the same problem
you've been having?

In the step-by-step instructions for using the Ghost 2003 program that I
provided you, I ended with the following cautionary note...

Just one other point I wish to emphasize with respect to the cloning
operation involving internal drives. Immediately following the cloning
operation and the shutdown of your machine, disconnect your source drive and
boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive (as indicated in step 13. above). DO NOT
BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.
Doing so is likely to cause future boot problems with the cloned drive.

I don't know if the above is relevant to your current problem, but the
situation you describe is a common problem when the above procedure is not
followed.
Anna
 
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Greg Maxey

Anna/Pegasus

I am replying to you both from one place. I will also apologize for being
stupid in this arena.

Here is the current situation Drive 0 contains a 160G drive with:
C: the system drive
D: Programs
E: Data
F: Swap Files

Drive 1 Contains a 250G drive with:
J: exact copy of C: with MBR
K: exact copy of D:
L: exact copy of E:
M: exact copy of F;

End state that I want:

Drive 0 Contains the larger 250G drive with the following partitions:
C:
D:
E:
F:

I then want to but the old smaller drive back in the system and remame its
partition letters.

I was at this same state earlier and I did this:
I did boot the machine immediately after the copying. When I did, windows
booted up normally expect for ChkDsk scanned the drive J;
I then removed the smaller drive in 0 and moved the larger drive to 0. I
left the smaller drive out of the system.
I tried to boot the machine and it froze at the windows welcome screen. I
think I know why it did this now.
I next tried to boot with the WindowsXP disk to do a repair. While doing
so, the repair process asked for a file on C:\something or another and then
it froze. It was my sound card driver I think and I think it is why windows
froze on the welcome screen.

At this point I realized that I was in deep doodoo. Fortunately I was able
to but the old smaller drive back in the system and reboot. I figure that
the attempted repair had boogered up my copy of C:\ on the new larger drive,
so I have recreated my exact copy and ready for the next step.

Anna, unfortunately I no longer have your 13 steps available.

I understand now that I am not to boot with both disks in the system after
making the copy. However, I am not sure exactly what it is that I do need
to do. Here are some quesitions:

Anna you say:

Immediately following the cloning operation and the shutdown of your
machine, disconnect your source drive and
boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive (as indicated in step 13. above). DO NOT
BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.

1. When I disconnect the source drive, do I move the cloned or copied drive
cable to the Disk 0 position now or later?
2. When I do boot with the source drive removed, I know from the exerience
earlier that Windows is going to be looking for my Sound Card Driver with a
pointer looking in drive C:\. Will I need to first perform the fixmbr
procedure that Pegasus mentions or will the simple act of rebooting with
just the cloned drive intalled result in fixing the mbr.
3. When I am up and running with the new larger drive, how do I then change
its drive letters to C:, D:, E:, and F? When that is done, is there another
process to fixmbr?
4. When I do get the new drive partition renamed, what happens when I put
the old drive back in? I will have two drive with the same partition
labels. How to I correct that.


Anna I will try search google groups for your earlier post, but I am afraid
I need more detailed help from one of your experts here before I brave the
deep water again.
 
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GHalleck

Greg said:
I have a 160G hard drive in the disk 0 position of my controller. I bought
a 250G hard drive that I want to make my primary drive (in disk 0 postion)
and move the 160G to drive position 1 to use for storing backups, images,
etc.

The current 160G drive has four partitions. System C:, Programs D:, Data
E:, and Swap File F:,

Using Norton Ghost I copied C:, D:, E: and F;< to the 250G drive that I put
in Disk 1 position temporarilly. Now I have an exact copy of the small disk
on the larger disk. This part was easy (an perhaps a complete waste of
time).

The 250G drive now has four partitions J:, K:, L:, and M: I set J: to be an
active drive and loaded the Master Boot Record files to it.

Now I am in a log jam. How do I change the drive letters on the larger
drive that I want to be primary to and how do I get XP to boot up on the new
drive (I want it in Position 0 ultimately).

I tried taking the smaller drive out of the system and moving the new larger
drive to position 0 and then rebooting the machine. I thought that once
booted that I could change the drive letters. For some reason WindowsXP
froze on the welcome screen. I even tried to repair the installation on the
new drive but the reinstallation froze at the 27 minute mark.

Can anyone direct me to how to achieve this. Thanks.

There are easy ways and hard ways of doing things. Sometimes,
trying to save time by taking shortcuts might well end up in
disaster.

This is what I would have done. I would have cloned the 160 GB
hard drive with all of its partitions C, D, E and F. I would
then remove the 160 GB hard drive and replace it with the new
250 GB hard drive. Using the cloning application, I would then
restore partitions C, D, E and F while expanding each partition
proportionally. (IIRC, both Ghost and TrueImage permit this.)
This should produce the desired end result.

Finally, take the old 160 GB HD (although I would usually store
it away for a rainy day), make it a slave and wipe it clean via
Disk Management. Next, re-partition and format to suit.

It doesn't take too long to do since the disk image files already
exist...right?
 
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Pegasus

GHalleck said:
There are easy ways and hard ways of doing things. Sometimes,
trying to save time by taking shortcuts might well end up in
disaster.

This is what I would have done. I would have cloned the 160 GB
hard drive with all of its partitions C, D, E and F. I would
then remove the 160 GB hard drive and replace it with the new
250 GB hard drive. Using the cloning application, I would then
restore partitions C, D, E and F while expanding each partition
proportionally. (IIRC, both Ghost and TrueImage permit this.)
This should produce the desired end result.

Finally, take the old 160 GB HD (although I would usually store
it away for a rainy day), make it a slave and wipe it clean via
Disk Management. Next, re-partition and format to suit.

It doesn't take too long to do since the disk image files already
exist...right?

I have done hundreds of disk imaging operations and I never
found the need to copy a whole disk as opposed to just
copying a single partition.
 
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Pegasus

Seeing that Anna does not seem to be around, I'll try to
answer your questions - see below.


Greg Maxey said:
Anna/Pegasus

I am replying to you both from one place. I will also apologize for being
stupid in this arena.

Here is the current situation Drive 0 contains a 160G drive with:
C: the system drive
D: Programs
E: Data
F: Swap Files

Drive 1 Contains a 250G drive with:
J: exact copy of C: with MBR
K: exact copy of D:
L: exact copy of E:
M: exact copy of F;

End state that I want:

Drive 0 Contains the larger 250G drive with the following partitions:
C:
D:
E:
F:

I then want to but the old smaller drive back in the system and remame its
partition letters.

I was at this same state earlier and I did this:
I did boot the machine immediately after the copying. When I did, windows
booted up normally expect for ChkDsk scanned the drive J;
I then removed the smaller drive in 0 and moved the larger drive to 0. I
left the smaller drive out of the system.
I tried to boot the machine and it froze at the windows welcome screen. I
think I know why it did this now.
I next tried to boot with the WindowsXP disk to do a repair. While doing
so, the repair process asked for a file on C:\something or another and then
it froze. It was my sound card driver I think and I think it is why windows
froze on the welcome screen.

At this point I realized that I was in deep doodoo. Fortunately I was able
to but the old smaller drive back in the system and reboot. I figure that
the attempted repair had boogered up my copy of C:\ on the new larger drive,
so I have recreated my exact copy and ready for the next step.

Anna, unfortunately I no longer have your 13 steps available.

I understand now that I am not to boot with both disks in the system after
making the copy. However, I am not sure exactly what it is that I do need
to do. Here are some quesitions:

Anna you say:

Immediately following the cloning operation and the shutdown of your
machine, disconnect your source drive and
boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive (as indicated in step 13. above). DO NOT
BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.

1. When I disconnect the source drive, do I move the cloned or copied drive
cable to the Disk 0 position now or later?

After cloning the source drive, you make the target
disk the primary master disk.
2. When I do boot with the source drive removed, I know from the exerience
earlier that Windows is going to be looking for my Sound Card Driver with a
pointer looking in drive C:\.

No need to worry about a sound card driver at this stage.
Will I need to first perform the fixmbr
procedure that Pegasus mentions

Fixmbr is a repair step. You only perform it if the machine
fails to boot.
or will the simple act of rebooting with
just the cloned drive intalled result in fixing the mbr.

No. Rebooting with the cloned drive will not do what fixmbr does.
3. When I am up and running with the new larger drive, how do I then change
its drive letters to C:, D:, E:, and F? When that is done, is there another
process to fixmbr?

Once you're up and running, run diskmgmt.msc via Start / Run,
then use it to fix your drive letters.
4. When I do get the new drive partition renamed, what happens when I put
the old drive back in? I will have two drive with the same partition
labels. How to I correct that.

There is no problem in reconnecting the old disk after the
first successful boot with the new disk. It would be a good
idea to relabel your drives to avoid confusion. Just right-click
them in My Computer.
Anna I will try search google groups for your earlier post, but I am afraid
I need more detailed help from one of your experts here before I brave the
deep water again.

I have seen a few posts from people who used Ghost where
the logon process looped continuously: Log on, brief desktop,
back to the logon prompt. This is a well-understood problem
that is not too hard to fix.
 
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Greg Maxey

Pegasus,

Thanks for your offer to help. Both drive are SATA drives. As I mentioned
the smaller, older drive is in Disk 0 position.
After cloning the source drive, you make the target disk the primary master
disk.

I don't know a) what that means. b) how to do it.

Do you mean that here is where I physically move the cable? I want the
larger disk to ultimately be the Disk 0 disk.

I worry about the sound card, because the last time I tried to boot in
Windows with just the new drive it hung at the Windows start up screen. It
is lookin for something.

I appreciate your help, but I can't go forward without more detailed
intstructions.

Remember folks I alreadys freely admitted ignorance in this area. So
please, if you can give me steps like: Make the cloned disk the primary
disk by doing:

a.
b
c
d
etc.

Thanks
 
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Greg Maxey

GHalleck,

No the disck imaging files do not exist. I used Ghost 9.0 to "copy" the
four partitions from the smaller disk to the larger disk. When I did the
copy, I didn't have the option to copy C: on one drive to C: on the other.
That, I think would have been ideal. After copying the disk, I fully
expected that I could simply move it to where the old source drive was and
be done. But no, windows was looking for installations files with pointer to
old drive letters.

Thanks for you attempt to help.
 
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Greg Maxey

Pegasus,

The Norton Ghost manual says if you use disk copy to copy a disk then you
have to copy each partition one at a time.
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

See below.


Greg Maxey said:
Pegasus,

Thanks for your offer to help. Both drive are SATA drives. As I mentioned
the smaller, older drive is in Disk 0 position.


I don't know a) what that means. b) how to do it.

I was thinking of IDE disks. SATA disks do not use
the "primary/secondary" concept.
Do you mean that here is where I physically move the cable? I want the
larger disk to ultimately be the Disk 0 disk.

Yes, make the larger disk Disk0.
I worry about the sound card, because the last time I tried to boot in
Windows with just the new drive it hung at the Windows start up screen. It
is lookin for something.

I don't think it hung because of the sound card - it probably
hung right after dealing with the sound card. If it's a card
rather than a motherboard-integrated sound adapter then
you can remove it during the initial installation.
I appreciate your help, but I can't go forward without more detailed
intstructions.

Remember folks I alreadys freely admitted ignorance in this area. So
please, if you can give me steps like: Make the cloned disk the primary
disk by doing:

a.
b
c
d
etc.

Thanks

Seeing that Anna has already produced an a,b,c guide, I won't
attempt to reinvent the wheel.
 
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Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm

Pegasus,

I am about ready to give up and put the new drive back in the box. All
I see hear is graduate level discussion that is over my head.

If Anna has provided a, b, c, d. Then I don't see it or it deals with
"cloning" a drive with ghost 2003. I can't make Ghost2003 work despite
almost 24 straight hours of effort. I do have Ghost 9.0 and I have
used the copy drive feature it to make an exact copy of the four
partitions on my new hard drive.

You say remove the sound card. Why?

If I have the old drive in Disk 0 Windows boots perfectly.

If I move what is supposed to be an exact copy of the old drive to Disk
0 Word hangs on startup.

I don't really know why it is hanging, but I suspect that it is because
the drive letters on the new drive are J, K, L, and M and that as
windows trys to start it is looking for things with pointers to C: and
E: I suspect this becuase when I tried to do a reinstal with the new
drive in Disk 0 that failed to but in the process I got notification
that such and such wasn't found. The such and such was located at C:\
and I suppose as Windows loads it looks for Microsoft Office files as
well because one of the notifications was pointing to E:\MOS Cache.

I really think that my problem is the drive letters on the exact copy
don't match the drive letters of the source drive. I think that during
boot that the OS is trying to load files that it thinks are in C:\ or
E:\ and C: and E: don't exist anymore.

I am not trying to be hard headed. If one of you thinks that I should
abandon the exact copy route and try something else then please advise.

I will go back and read Anna's procedure for using Ghost2003 and see if
something clicks.

Thank you all for you patience and please forgive me if I seem
impatient.
 
K

Keith

Greg said:
Pegasus,

I am about ready to give up and put the new drive back in the box.
All I see hear is graduate level discussion that is over my head.

If Anna has provided a, b, c, d. Then I don't see it or it deals with
"cloning" a drive with ghost 2003. I can't make Ghost2003 work
despite almost 24 straight hours of effort. I do have Ghost 9.0 and
I have used the copy drive feature it to make an exact copy of the
four partitions on my new hard drive.

You say remove the sound card. Why?

If I have the old drive in Disk 0 Windows boots perfectly.

If I move what is supposed to be an exact copy of the old drive to
Disk 0 Word hangs on startup.

I don't really know why it is hanging, but I suspect that it is
because the drive letters on the new drive are J, K, L, and M and
that as windows trys to start it is looking for things with pointers
to C: and E: I suspect this becuase when I tried to do a reinstal
with the new drive in Disk 0 that failed to but in the process I got
notification that such and such wasn't found. The such and such was
located at C:\ and I suppose as Windows loads it looks for Microsoft
Office files as well because one of the notifications was pointing to
E:\MOS Cache.

I really think that my problem is the drive letters on the exact copy
don't match the drive letters of the source drive. I think that
during boot that the OS is trying to load files that it thinks are in
C:\ or E:\ and C: and E: don't exist anymore.

I am not trying to be hard headed. If one of you thinks that I should
abandon the exact copy route and try something else then please
advise.

I will go back and read Anna's procedure for using Ghost2003 and see
if something clicks.

Thank you all for you patience and please forgive me if I seem
impatient.

Greg do you have a WindowsXP CD? If so why are you making a simple job
complicated

"I next tried to boot with the WindowsXP disk to do a repair. While "
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

See below.

Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm said:
Pegasus,

I am about ready to give up and put the new drive back in the box. All
I see hear is graduate level discussion that is over my head.

Sorry about that. It is often difficult to work out the level
of experience that the OP has.
If Anna has provided a, b, c, d. Then I don't see it or it deals with
"cloning" a drive with ghost 2003.

Anna might respond to this.
I can't make Ghost2003 work despite
almost 24 straight hours of effort. I do have Ghost 9.0 and I have
used the copy drive feature it to make an exact copy of the four
partitions on my new hard drive.

I don't use Ghost, hence I cannot comment on its properties.
I use Acronis, which works most of the time, or I use xcopy.exe,
which works every time when used as follows:
a) with the source and the target disks temporarily installed
in some other WinXP/2000 PC, or
b) when the machine is booted with a Bart PE boot CD. This
is a great CD but it takes about three hours to make one.
You would need a CD burner and a WinXP Professional
CD.
You say remove the sound card. Why?

You thought that WinXP hangs because of the sound card.
If it does then removing the card would eliminate this problem.
If I have the old drive in Disk 0 Windows boots perfectly.

This is precisely why I thought it unlikely that the sound
card would cause WinXP to hang.
If I move what is supposed to be an exact copy of the old drive to Disk
0 Word hangs on startup.

Strange - previously you said that you were unable to start Windows
(quote: "I tried to boot the machine and it froze at the windows welcome
screen."), so how can you start Word?
I don't really know why it is hanging, but I suspect that it is because
the drive letters on the new drive are J, K, L, and M and that as
windows trys to start it is looking for things with pointers to C: and
E: I suspect this becuase when I tried to do a reinstal with the new
drive in Disk 0 that failed to but in the process I got notification
that such and such wasn't found. The such and such was located at C:\
and I suppose as Windows loads it looks for Microsoft Office files as
well because one of the notifications was pointing to E:\MOS Cache.

I really think that my problem is the drive letters on the exact copy
don't match the drive letters of the source drive. I think that during
boot that the OS is trying to load files that it thinks are in C:\ or
E:\ and C: and E: don't exist anymore.

I am not trying to be hard headed. If one of you thinks that I should
abandon the exact copy route and try something else then please advise.

It's your decision and it will be influenced by how long it will take
you to do a fresh installation of WinXP, and how badly you want
to learn how to clone a disk. It is possible that your problems are
caused by the fact that you're using SATA disks - I recall following
a similar thread some months ago. When the OP of that thread
changed to an IDE disk, things worked just fine.
I will go back and read Anna's procedure for using Ghost2003 and see if
something clicks.

Thank you all for you patience and please forgive me if I seem
impatient.

I think "impatient" is the wrong word - I would have used "frustrated",
with plenty of justification. Good luck!
 
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Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm

Keith,

That's helpful and like saying, "Greg, do you have a slide rule? Why
not send a man to the moon."

I don't know how to do the deed. That is why I am asking questions. I
know that the answer "Get in the cockpit and operate the controls" is
perfectly good answer to the question "How do I fly a 747?" However,
at the end of the day this novice pilot would either still be on the
ground or have a hell of a mess on his hands.

I already have a brand new perfectly functioning 160G drive containing
my OS, Programs, and Data that I simply want to copy its entire content
to a brand new larger 250G drive.
Then I want the PC to boot (without sticking, or removing sound cards,
etc.) on that new drive. In the end, I want the new drive to have the
same drive letters that the old one had . I admit that it sounds
simple, but trust me it isn't if you don't know how.

Right now I don't care if I put the smaller disk back into the machine
or not.

Would you care to share your simple steps using WindowsXP.
 
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Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm

Pegasus.
If I move what is supposed to be an exact copy of the old drive to Disk 0 Word hangs on startup.

That was a typo. I meant WindowsXP hangs on startup at the welcome
screen.

I have had a face to face conversation with a person at work that has
confirmed Anna's caution and predicted that booting the PC with both
disks installed immediately after the copy was exactly what caused most
of my problems. He also advised that I recopy all of the partitions to
the new 250G drive without assigning drive letters. He said that when
I boot the machine with just the new drive installed that BIOS will
assign the appropriate drive letters.

Here is my plan of attack:
1. Disk 0 with 160G Drive installed.
2. Disk 1 with 250G Drive installed (formatted with 250G unallocated
space)
3. Use Disk Management to create 4 unlettered partitions on Drive 1.
4. Use GHOST Drive Copy utility to copy the C:, D:, E: and F:
partitions from the source to the new drive. The copy of C: will
include the MBR.
5. Shut down the machine.
6. Remove the source Drive and move the cabling of the 250G drive to
the Disk 0 position.
7. Take a deep breathe.
8. Reboot the machine.
9. Do one of the following:
a. Sign in relief and do a backflip as WindowsXP loads normally.
b. Scream bloody murder.
10. If a., then shut down the maching. Put the old drive back in the
Disk 1 position, reboot and hope that BIOS doesn't go nuts with have
two drives with the same drive letters.

Hopefully someone can confirm or advise differently.

Thanks
 
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Anna

Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm said:
Keith,

That's helpful and like saying, "Greg, do you have a slide rule? Why
not send a man to the moon."

I don't know how to do the deed. That is why I am asking questions. I
know that the answer "Get in the cockpit and operate the controls" is
perfectly good answer to the question "How do I fly a 747?" However,
at the end of the day this novice pilot would either still be on the
ground or have a hell of a mess on his hands.

I already have a brand new perfectly functioning 160G drive containing
my OS, Programs, and Data that I simply want to copy its entire content
to a brand new larger 250G drive.
Then I want the PC to boot (without sticking, or removing sound cards,
etc.) on that new drive. In the end, I want the new drive to have the
same drive letters that the old one had . I admit that it sounds
simple, but trust me it isn't if you don't know how.

Right now I don't care if I put the smaller disk back into the machine
or not.

Would you care to share your simple steps using WindowsXP.


Greg:
We'll try this one more time, again using the Ghost 2003 program which I've
used hundreds & hundreds of times to successfully clone the contents of one
HD to another HD, working with hundreds of XP-based systems and virtually
every HD on the market. Before I provide you (and others) with the detailed
instructions involved, let me make the following points.
1. This is *not* complicated business. Using the Ghost 2003 program in an XP
environment is a relatively simple & straightforward process.
2. It (nearly) goes without saying, that in order for the cloning process to
be successful, both the source (the disk you're cloning from) and the
destination (the disk you're cloning to) disks must be non-defective and
properly connected/configured in your system.
3. The OS you're cloning must be free from system files corruption. ("If you
clone garbage, garbage is what you'll get").

And that's it. The precise steps to directly clone the contents from one HD
to another HD using the Ghost 2003 program are simple & effective.

Here's my previous post (slightly edited) to you...

Since you have Symantec's Norton Ghost 2003, here are step-by-step
instructions for creating a Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk and then using
that floppy disk to clone the contents of your working HD to another
internal or external HD...

(You needn't be unduly concerned with using this DOS-based media with the
Ghost 2003 program. There are no complicated or exotic DOS commands that you
need to invoke. As a matter of fact, there are *no* DOS or DOS-like commands
to enter. The entire process is simple, straightforward, and quite
effective)

But before I get to the actual step-by-step instructions, I want to make the
following points so that you (and others who might be interested in a disk
imaging program) understand how *we* use this program to achieve our desired
objective which is to *directly* clone the contents of one HD to another
HD...

1. We use the Ghost 2003 program for one purpose, and only one purpose. And
that is to *directly* clone the contents of one hard drive to another hard
drive. We are not interested in "incremental or scheduled backups", nor are
we interested in creating "disk images" on removable media, e.g., DVDs. Our
sole interest & objective is to create & maintain a near-failsafe backup
system for restoration purposes.

2. It is *vital*, repeat *vital*, that you work with the latest version of
the Ghost 2003 program. That's the Ghost 2003.793 build. Should you have an
earlier version, you can use Symantec's LiveUpdate feature available in the
Ghost program to download & automatically install that latest update.

3. We prefer to work with the Ghost 2003 program rather than its successor
Ghost 9 & Ghost 10 programs. For our purposes, we find the 2003 version more
straightforward in design, simpler to use, faster in carrying out its
function than the newer versions. And, I might add, just as effective for
the purposes indicated. Again, I emphasize that we use the program solely
for the *direct* cloning of the contents of one HD to another HD.

4. In using the Ghost 2003 program, our preference is to work with the Ghost
2003 bootable floppy disk (or on occasion the Ghost 2003 bootable CD). We
find that media simpler to use in comparison with the Windows GUI and we
enjoy the portability aspects of that media.

5. We are aware, of course, that there are other fine disk imaging products
on the market, e.g,, Acronis True Image, and I do not mean to suggest that
the Ghost program is superior to them. If practical, a user should try as
many out as he or she can, and make their own decision as to what works best
for them.

So, here are step-by-step instructions for using the Ghost 2003 program
(using a Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk or bootable CD) to directly clone
the contents of one HD to another HD...

Creating the bootable Ghost floppy disk:
1. Install the Ghost 2003 program on your computer. Make sure you're using
the latest "build" - Ghost 2003.793. If not, use Ghost's LiveUpdate feature
to automatically download the latest version. It's important that you be
using this latest "build".
2. Insert a blank floppy disk (it need not be formatted) and access your
Ghost program.
3. Click on Ghost Utilities.
4. Click on Norton Ghost Boot Wizard.
5. Select Standard Ghost Boot Disk. A dialog box will appear.
a. Select the USB 2.0 Support option (assuming you have that
capability).
b. Select the Assign DOS drive letters option and click Next.
6. Select the Use PC-DOS option.
7. Complete the process following the screen prompts.
8. Remove floppy and label accordingly.

That's it. Now you have a Ghost bootable floppy disk which you can use to
undertake your cloning operations now and in the future. Now when you want
to clone the contents of one HD to another HD you simply insert the Ghost
bootable floppy disk in your floppy drive and boot up with both drives
connected.

After creating the Ghost bootable floppy disk, you can create a Ghost
bootable CD from it using the Roxio or Nero CD burning programs, or most
other CD burning programs that allow you to create a bootable CD.
Unfortunately I know of no way to *directly* create this bootable CD from
the Ghost program (as you can do, for example, in the Acronis True Image
program).

Here's how to perform the cloning operation...
1. With both drives connected, boot up with the Ghost bootable floppy (or
Ghost bootable CD). You'll get an initial screen that displays "License
agreement warning". Right-arrow (or tab) over to the "Continue without
marking drives" button and press Enter.
2. The "About Norton Ghost" screen appears. Click OK.
3. Right-arrow twice over to the "To Disk" button and press Enter.
4. The next screen will list both your drives - the Drive 1 (source disk)
and Drive 2 (destination disk). MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN Drive 1 IS INDEED
YOUR SOURCE DISK, I.E., THE DISK YOU'RE CLONING *FROM*!
Drive 1 will be highlighted. Press Enter.
5. The next screen will have Drive 2 (destination disk) highlighted. AGAIN,
ENSURE THAT Drive 2 IS YOUR DESTINATION DISK, I.E., THE DISK YOU'RE CLONING
*TO*! Press Enter.
6. The next screen is the "Destination Drive Details" window, and reflects
your ultimate destination disk, i.e., your current Drive 2. Press your Tab
key to highlight the OK button and press Enter.
7. The "Proceed with disk clone?" dialog box will open. Left-arrow over to
the Yes button and press Enter.
8. The cloning process will begin. The data transfer speed will vary
depending upon the speed of your processor and the HDs involved. On a medium
to high-powered system you should get transfer speeds ranging from 800
MB/min to 1.5 GB/min should you be cloning internal drives. It will be
considerably slower if you're cloning to a USB external HD.
9. After you get the "Clone Completed Successfully" message, left-arrow over
to the Continue button and press Enter.
10. Down-arrow to Quit and press Enter.
11. Click Yes at the "Are you sure you want to quit?" message.
12. Remove the Ghost floppy and shut down the computer.
13. Disconnect your source disk and boot up with the cloned drive.
Presumably it should boot up without a problem and in about 40 to 50 seconds
following arriving at your Desktop, XP's "System Settings Change" window
will (usually) appear, informing you that new hardware has been found and
asks "Do you want to restart your computer now?" Click Yes.
14. BTW, the reboot of the newly-cloned drive usually takes a longer time
than usual, so one must be patient. On rare occasions the system will fail
to reboot - the system will hang before reaching the Windows XP Welcome
screen. It's a rare occurrence, but you may experience it from time-to-time.
If that does occur, simply use the Ctrl-Alt-Delete keys to reboot.

Assuming you've cloned the contents of your working drive to your second
internal drive, that second drive will be bootable (after disconnecting your
primary one, of course) as indicated above. You also have the option of
cloning your working drive to a USB external hard drive. In that case the
USB EHD is *not* bootable, but you could clone the contents back to your
internal drive for restoration purposes should the need arise.

Just one other point I wish to emphasize with respect to the cloning
operation involving internal drives. Immediately following the cloning
operation and the shutdown of your machine, disconnect your source drive and
boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive (as indicated in step 13. above). DO NOT
BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.
Doing so is likely to cause future boot problems with the cloned drive.
Obviously there is no problem in this area should a USBEHD be involved in
the cloning process since that device is not bootable in an XP environment.
I trust the above will be of use to you and others who might be thinking
about using the Ghost 2003 program for a routine backup system.
Anna


P.S.
1. Read that last paragraph carefully. It may answer the question as to why
you're having your present problem.
2. I know you've now indicated that you're working with the Ghost 9 program.
As I previously informed you, after working with that program for a short
time, I saw no advantages to it over the Ghost 2003 program in terms of the
basic direct disk-to-disk cloning that we're interested in. So I'm not
particularly familiar with that program.
3. While I didn't cover using the Ghost 2003 program to clone individual
partitions in the above step-by-step instructions, this capability exists in
the Ghost 2003 program and it's no more difficult to achieve than creating a
clone of the entire disk. We rarely have need to clone individual
partitions, preferring to clone the contents of the entire drive instead.
But if you need this capability, it's there. (I might mention in passing
that based on our experience with the Acronis True Image 8 program, that
program does *not* have the capability of *directly* cloning individual
partitions from one drive to another. At least we couldn't find that
capability. Not having worked with the ATI 9 program, I don't know if that
capability now exists).
 
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Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm

Anna,

Despite uncountable previous failed attempts, I shall try again. As I
have reported earlier and while following your instructions to the
letter with GHOST 2003, the boot floppy boots the machine to Starting
PC DOS ....

and then a blinking cursor. From there it simply sits. It will sit
for a minute or the rest of the day. I can CTRL+ALT+DELETE and let it
reboot to that point and let it blink some more or shut down.

I have no doubt that your method will work if I can get the machine to
boot to PC DOS and reenter the Ghost program.

I will let you know later today when I can try it out.
 
G

Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm

Anna,

14. BTW, the reboot of the newly-cloned drive usually takes a longer
time than usual, so one must be patient. On rare occasions the system
will fail to reboot - the system will hang before reaching the Windows
XP Welcome screen. It's a rare occurrence, but you may experience it
from time-to-time.
If that does occur, simply use the Ctrl-Alt-Delete keys to reboot.

Optimistically speaking, say I get this far. About how long is
"usually longer." Thanks.
 
A

Anna

Greg http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm said:
Anna,

14. BTW, the reboot of the newly-cloned drive usually takes a longer
time than usual, so one must be patient. On rare occasions the system
will fail to reboot - the system will hang before reaching the Windows
XP Welcome screen. It's a rare occurrence, but you may experience it
from time-to-time.
If that does occur, simply use the Ctrl-Alt-Delete keys to reboot.

Optimistically speaking, say I get this far. About how long is
"usually longer." Thanks.


On a "modern" machine, maybe 20 - 30 seconds at most.

I should add that after you arrive at your Desktop, after a slight delay -
maybe about 40 seconds or so - (usually, but not always) a Windows "System
Settings Change" window will appear informing you that new hardware has been
found and asks "Do you want to restart your computer now?". Click "Yes".
The reboot should proceed normally.

Again, I remind you...
Immediately following the cloning operation, *disconnect* your source drive
and boot *only* with the newly-cloned drive connected. Thereafter, it makes
no difference (in terms of any subsequent boot problems with the cloned
drive) if both drives are connected when booting to either one. But it's
important that the *initial* boot following the cloning process be
undertaken with *only* the cloned drive connected.
Anna
 

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