I cant dual boot after hard drive change


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casey.o

This is probably a little off topic, because the problem is Win98 and
Win2K, but I know 2K is real similar to XP as far as the booting.

Anyhow, my 98/2K machine has reached it's hard drive limit. There are 7
partitions, C: D: E: on the first hard drive (40g), and F: G: H: I: on
the second drive (120g). I'm replacing the first drive (40) with
another (120).

I have Win98 on C: and Win2K on D:. I'ts always booted fine, with the
boot menu. It defaults to Win98 if I dont select W2K.

I use Partiton Magic and used the COPY command inside of it, which is
supposed to make an exact duplicate. [Xxclone dont work on 98 or 2K].

I cloned the C: drive, swapped to the new drive as the boot drive (set
the jumper to Master), and tried to boot. It would not boot, so I used
a Dos floppy, typed SYS C:, and it still would not boot. Then I ran
FDISK and realized that drive C: was not set as ACTIVE. I changed that,
and Win98 booted right up. But I did not see the BOOTMENU on my screen.
(But there was a delay).
However, I had not yet cloned the D: or E: drives, so I assumed since
it did not see the install of Win2K, it bypassed the bootmenu.

I swapped the drives and jumpers again, proceeded to clone D: and E:
(again, using Partition Magic), to the new drive. Again I changed the
jumpers and cables and the new drive boots fine to Win98, but the
bootmenu option is gone.

I checked these files on C:
ntdetect.com
ntldr
bootsect.dos
boot.ini
WINNT (folder on C:)
Autoexec.bat and Config.sys look the same too)

They are all there, and compare to the ones on my backup, which I made
of the whole computer before doing this drive change.

I also compared my boot.ini to a much older one which I had in my
(Settings-Bakup) folder. I found that Spybot added an entry to my
boot.ini file (which I was not aware of), so I replaced it with the
backup copy.

But it still does not give me that bootmenu, when I bootup.
(Right now, I'm using the old harddrive, so everything works properly).

I've been puzzling over this, and am not sure what is wrong. I
considered using Partition Magic and recopying C: from the old drive,
thinking that maybe using SYS C: changed something, although Win98 works
just fine. I've also thought about using my Win2000 CD and reinstalling
2K, using the REPAIR option. I've never used the REPAIR option on any
install of 2K or XP, so I'm not real sure how to do it, so it dont over
write my settings or upgrades. All I really need it to do is fix the
multiboot. I'm sure the 2K install is fine. But then again, maybe
there is some hidden code on the drive that did not get copied.

NOTE: Drive D: on both drives (new and original) are both set to Fat32
and are a logical drive.

Anyhow, before I make a mess of things, I have a feeling there is an
easy fix, so I better ask on here first. I guess I cant really harm
anything, since the original drive is still intact, but cloning the
drives is a slow and tedious process, so before I do anything, I'll see
if any of you know an easy fix for this.

Unfortunately, Win2K cant be loaded from Dos, like Win98, so I cant boot
it manually to test it. But Partition Magic seems to work just fine for
cloning everything else. I have version 8, which was made for Win95/98,
ME, 2K and XP

Thanks


BTW: Here is my boot.ini file (copied)

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=C:\

[operating systems]
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98SE"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional" /fastdetect

------

Here is the one spybot screwed up (I tried to boot with both)

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=C:\

[operating systems]
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98SE"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2) \WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional" /fastdetect

[spybotsd]
timeout.old=6
 
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casey.o

In (e-mail address removed) typed:

It has been years since I have used Partition Magic 8, but it doesn't
copy the MBR as far as I know. And without it, your new drive won't
boot. With a DOS floppy you can create a MBR for the new drive. You know
how to do that right?

The instructions in Partition Magic 8, say it makes an exact copy, but
they are not real detailed about any particulars. I did find out that
it does not set the partition to ACTIVE though, but that's part of the
partition, not the copy (I guess).

I have transferred this same installation of Win98 to at least 4
different harddrives, using PM8, and always works, but I never copied a
dual boot before. It said in PM8 that Iwas over the 1032 cyl limit and
may not boot, but even using the drive size off the original drive,
(10g) it says that. I know the bios is set for large drives in the
computer. I'm almost sure the problem was the "not set to active", but
since I had already run SYS C:, I dont know if the MBR was copied or
not.

I'm wondering if Win2K also has some sort of MBR on the D: drive? i
have no clue.....

Yea, I do know Dos pretty well. I learned to use a computer with Dos,
and I had to learn it well, because I have always built my own
computers. Dos seems real easy compared to the Linux commands, but I
was a heck of a lot younger back when I learned Dos too. The good thing
is that I have not forgotten any of the dos stuff. I always kind of
liked playing with it, and making it do some pretty bizarre things in
the process. Back then, there were some utility addons that should have
been added to Dos. I had one that would animate the screen, and using
that and a batch file, combined with ascii art, colored with ansi codes,
I managed to make fireworks at a C: prompt. It would begin in the
middle of the screen, and explode to fill the whole screen. That is one
I cant remember how I did it, and I lost what I made. I still have all
those addons to Dos installed on my drive, which is one reason I find it
hard to leave Win98, because some of the stuff I did (and still like to
play with at times), MUST be run from native Dos, not a dos window.
 
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BillW50

In (e-mail address removed) typed:
This is probably a little off topic, because the problem is Win98 and
Win2K, but I know 2K is real similar to XP as far as the booting...

It has been years since I have used Partition Magic 8, but it doesn't
copy the MBR as far as I know. And without it, your new drive won't
boot. With a DOS floppy you can create a MBR for the new drive. You know
how to do that right?
 
B

BillW50

In (e-mail address removed) typed:
The instructions in Partition Magic 8, say it makes an exact copy, but
they are not real detailed about any particulars. I did find out that
it does not set the partition to ACTIVE though, but that's part of the
partition, not the copy (I guess).

I have transferred this same installation of Win98 to at least 4
different harddrives, using PM8, and always works, but I never copied
a dual boot before. It said in PM8 that Iwas over the 1032 cyl
limit and may not boot, but even using the drive size off the
original drive, (10g) it says that. I know the bios is set for large
drives in the computer. I'm almost sure the problem was the "not set
to active", but since I had already run SYS C:, I dont know if the
MBR was copied or not.

I'm wondering if Win2K also has some sort of MBR on the D: drive? i
have no clue.....

Yea, I do know Dos pretty well. I learned to use a computer with Dos,
and I had to learn it well, because I have always built my own
computers. Dos seems real easy compared to the Linux commands, but I
was a heck of a lot younger back when I learned Dos too. The good
thing is that I have not forgotten any of the dos stuff. I always
kind of liked playing with it, and making it do some pretty bizarre
things in the process. Back then, there were some utility addons
that should have been added to Dos. I had one that would animate the
screen, and using that and a batch file, combined with ascii art,
colored with ansi codes, I managed to make fireworks at a C: prompt.
It would begin in the middle of the screen, and explode to fill the
whole screen. That is one I cant remember how I did it, and I lost
what I made. I still have all those addons to Dos installed on my
drive, which is one reason I find it hard to leave Win98, because
some of the stuff I did (and still like to play with at times), MUST
be run from native Dos, not a dos window.

Windows 98 FDISK /MBR works fine on Windows 2000/XP drives and it
doesn't matter if the partitions are FAT32 or NTFS. Although I believe
yours are FAT32.
 
M

Mayayana

| Then I ran
| FDISK and realized that drive C: was not set as ACTIVE. I changed that,
| and Win98 booted right up. But I did not see the BOOTMENU on my screen.
| (But there was a delay).
| However, I had not yet cloned the D: or E: drives, so I assumed since
| it did not see the install of Win2K, it bypassed the bootmenu.
|

You didn't mention where the boot menu
is coming from. If it's not 3rd-party I assume it
must be Win2000. In that case D drive needs to
be the active partition. Win98 does not use boot.ini
and cannot see other systems. The boot.ini needs
to be on Win2000's partition. (I don't know whether
your entry for Win98 is valid, but the Win2000 entry
looks OK.)

| [boot loader]
| timeout=30
| default=C:\
|
| [operating systems]
| C:\="Microsoft Windows 98SE"
| multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2) \WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000
| Professional" /fastdetect
|
 
P

philo 

The instructions in Partition Magic 8, say it makes an exact copy, but
they are not real detailed about any particulars. I did find out that
it does not set the partition to ACTIVE though, but that's part of the
partition, not the copy (I guess).



You do not want to copy a partition

you need to take the option the CLONE the drive
 
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Ben Myers

This is probably a little off topic, because the problem is Win98 and
Win2K, but I know 2K is real similar to XP as far as the booting.
Anyhow, my 98/2K machine has reached it's hard drive limit. There are 7
partitions, C: D: E: on the first hard drive (40g), and F: G: H: I: on
the second drive (120g). I'm replacing the first drive (40) with
another (120).
I have Win98 on C: and Win2K on D:. I'ts always booted fine, with the
boot menu. It defaults to Win98 if I dont select W2K.
I use Partiton Magic and used the COPY command inside of it, which is
supposed to make an exact duplicate. [Xxclone dont work on 98 or 2K].
I cloned the C: drive, swapped to the new drive as the boot drive (set
the jumper to Master), and tried to boot. It would not boot, so I used
a Dos floppy, typed SYS C:, and it still would not boot. Then I ran
FDISK and realized that drive C: was not set as ACTIVE. I changed that,
and Win98 booted right up. But I did not see the BOOTMENU on my screen.
<snip>

Using "SYS C:" overwrites the NTFS boot sector, which displays the boot menu, with the DOS
style one used by Windows 98. You'll have to recopy the partition and make it active or use
something like fixboot to repair the boot sector.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058

Ben
 
C

casey.o

This is probably a little off topic, because the problem is Win98 and
Win2K, but I know 2K is real similar to XP as far as the booting.
Anyhow, my 98/2K machine has reached it's hard drive limit. There are 7
partitions, C: D: E: on the first hard drive (40g), and F: G: H: I: on
the second drive (120g). I'm replacing the first drive (40) with
another (120).
I have Win98 on C: and Win2K on D:. I'ts always booted fine, with the
boot menu. It defaults to Win98 if I dont select W2K.
I use Partiton Magic and used the COPY command inside of it, which is
supposed to make an exact duplicate. [Xxclone dont work on 98 or 2K].
I cloned the C: drive, swapped to the new drive as the boot drive (set
the jumper to Master), and tried to boot. It would not boot, so I used
a Dos floppy, typed SYS C:, and it still would not boot. Then I ran
FDISK and realized that drive C: was not set as ACTIVE. I changed that,
and Win98 booted right up. But I did not see the BOOTMENU on my screen.
<snip>

Using "SYS C:" overwrites the NTFS boot sector, which displays the boot menu, with the DOS
style one used by Windows 98. You'll have to recopy the partition and make it active or use
something like fixboot to repair the boot sector.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058

Ben

Thanks, you were right. I recopied the partition using PM8, and it
started right up. I'm not sure if that "fixboot" is part of the
recovery console or where to get it, but a recopy seemed easier. It
works now. It's too bad there is no way to just backup the boot sector.
I backup everything else, and what I need is not backed up..... that
figures!!!!
 
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casey.o

In (e-mail address removed) typed:

It has been years since I have used Partition Magic 8, but it doesn't
copy the MBR as far as I know. And without it, your new drive won't
boot. With a DOS floppy you can create a MBR for the new drive. You know
how to do that right?

The instructions in Partition Magic 8, say it makes an exact copy, but
they are not real detailed about any particulars. I did find out that
it does not set the partition to ACTIVE though, but that's part of the
partition, not the copy (I guess).

I have transferred this same installation of Win98 to at least 4
different harddrives, using PM8, and always works, but I never copied a
dual boot before. It said in PM8 that Iwas over the 1032 cyl limit and
may not boot, but even using the drive size off the original drive,
(10g) it says that. I know the bios is set for large drives in the
computer. I'm almost sure the problem was the "not set to active", but
since I had already run SYS C:, I dont know if the MBR was copied or
not.

I'm wondering if Win2K also has some sort of MBR on the D: drive? i
have no clue.....

Yea, I do know Dos pretty well. I learned to use a computer with Dos,
and I had to learn it well, because I have always built my own
computers. Dos seems real easy compared to the Linux commands, but I
was a heck of a lot younger back when I learned Dos too. The good thing
is that I have not forgotten any of the dos stuff. I always kind of
liked playing with it, and making it do some pretty bizarre things in
the process. Back then, there were some utility addons that should have
been added to Dos. I had one that would animate the screen, and using
that and a batch file, combined with ascii art, colored with ansi codes,
I managed to make fireworks at a C: prompt. It would begin in the
middle of the screen, and explode to fill the whole screen. That is one
I cant remember how I did it, and I lost what I made. I still have all
those addons to Dos installed on my drive, which is one reason I find it
hard to leave Win98, because some of the stuff I did (and still like to
play with at times), MUST be run from native Dos, not a dos window.
 

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