cooling computer with refrigerator

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shegeek72

I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.
 
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Poly-poly man

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.
Refrigerators for computers generally are much like liquid cooling, but at
-40 degrees. You could, if you were willing, create a device that blows
that air around, but there would be an awful lot of condensation.

Fans are probably your best bet, except maybe getting some liquid hard drive
coolers and stuff.

poly-p man
 
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Rod Speed

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices:
HD / CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing
about cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a
small refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

Yep, and that is what a small A/C does.
I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

Yeah, its not that practical.
 
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kony

I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case.

Towards what end?
It won't be quieter than a properly set up system, and
practically all parts crucial to overclocking have had
water-blocked designed for them.

Remember that computer components may sometimes be cheaply
implemented to barely stay cool enough but even so, they are
meant to be able to run in room-temp environment.

Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans.

Do you realize that this is because fans are entirely
sufficient to cool them? That is, unless there are serious
design mistakes made, for example a really poor case.
I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

Of course it's possible, and would cost an arm and a leg if
you wanted a custom job where you first buy individual
parts, weld it all, have a technician charge the
refridgerant. Cheaper would be to modify a very small
refridgerator or window AC unit. Simplest and quietest (by
being rid of the compressor) would be peltiers, but they
gobble up energy, multiple times as much to move the same
amount of heat out of the system.
I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

When considering doing something that is unnecessary, this
is often the case. You need to first define exactly what
your goal is, THEN what your cooling system will need be to
accomplish it, instead of the somewhat backwards goal of
taking a cooling system type and then trying to apply to a
scenario.

If you just want an easy answer, take the smallest
refridgerator you can find, then modify the back for the I/O
ports and the front for drive bay openings, LEDs and
switch(es), USB and audio ports, etc... keeping in mind that
if you keey the temp too low, condensation will be a
problem.
 
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visions of effty

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.


The reason you didn't find any information on blowing cold air into a
computer's case probably has something to do with a little thing called
"condensation." If you are cooling surfaces that don't need it to
temperatures below the ambient temperature of the room the moisture in the
air will begin to collect on those surfaces as very dangerous beads of
liquid water.

Water is conductive, and not a particularly good thing to have randomly
appearing inside your computer!

This would be the main obstacle to your idea. Oddly, when an air
conditioner is running it generally condenses the moisture in the air and
dries out the air. In climate controlled server rooms (for instance) this
can lead to very dry air which is also a negative since very dry air has
lots of static potential. Static discharge, can of course, also damage your
computer.

People spend a lot of money of climate control for expensive computers, so
if you find a great solution with your tinkering you should patent your
idea.

~e.
 
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Bazzer Smith

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

You obviously didn't look hard enough!!

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/43_250902.html
 
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Ken Maltby

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

A refrigerator doesn't remove enough heat. An airconditioner can.

If you cool below room temp., you will need to address condensation.
(It is quite doable though.)

I have one system that I use a dryer hose to duct the output of a
$85 window air conditioner into a case, works fine. You just have to
be aware of the condensation if you restart the system while it is below
room temp and not had dry air moving through it for a while.

A safer way is to use water blocks for the main heat makers, and
low speed fans to quietly move some air through your case. I have
1/2" PVC run to another room so there is no noise from the water
cooling, at all.

If you were to treat your system to prevent condensation ( plenty
of how-to available from sites/forums of those who use peilters)
you could even chill the water.

Luck;
Ken
 
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Bazzer Smith

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

You think it will be quieter than a huge cooling fan?
I doubt it.
 
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Gandalf Parker

I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

Usually moving the air will do the most good. You shouldnt need to cool it
unless it is a really hot room. Then you might as well cool the room.

Gandalf Parker
 
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paulmd

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

Poor mans version is to get a small dormatory fridge, or freezer and
stick the computer inside it. You have to drill some holes for the
wiring, and re-insulate them. It can be done. It's bulky, possibly
expensive, and possibly unnessiary. But a fun project if you like that
sort of thing. The cost can be reduced if you get the fridge
secondhand, and why void the warrenty of a new unit, anyway? :)
 
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HiEv

paulmd said:
Poor mans version is to get a small dormatory fridge, or freezer and
stick the computer inside it. You have to drill some holes for the
wiring, and re-insulate them. It can be done. It's bulky, possibly
expensive, and possibly unnessiary. But a fun project if you like that
sort of thing. The cost can be reduced if you get the fridge
secondhand, and why void the warrenty of a new unit, anyway? :)

Heh... Anyone else reminded of the guys who overclocked a old 486 from
33 MHz to 247 MHz by putting it in a freezer?

Project E.U.N.U.C.H.
http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.html
 
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Ken Maltby

stick the computer inside it. You have to drill some holes for the
wiring, and re-insulate them. It can be done. It's bulky, possibly
expensive, and possibly unnessiary. But a fun project if you like that
sort of thing. The cost can be reduced if you get the fridge
secondhand, and why void the warrenty of a new unit, anyway? :)

That will NOT work. Even a large freezer is not designed to
remove that much heat. Your computer is constantly pumping
out heat (~200w or more), the food you put in the frig or
freezer is dead and no longer producing any heat; all that is
needed to keep them cold, is to remove a little heat at a time.

An air conditioner is another matter, they can pump out a
great deal of heat at a steady rate. If you were to run the
output of an airconditioner through a radiator, and back to
the AC unit (a plywood cowling would work) then pump
your water-cooling circuit through the radiator; you could
supply chilled water cooling to match the pros.

If you really want to cool the MB, you could spray the
back with an extra coat or two of comformal coating and
then run some of that chilled water through a heavy duty
plastic bag that is pressed against the bottom of the MB.
( a swimming pool toy, has about the right density of
plastic) or you might make what would fit using a Food
Saver bag. Running a coil of copper pipe (~3/8") in the
bag could work, and conduct the heat away.

Luck;
Ken
 
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SteveH

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.
You mean one of these?
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/VapoChillPE_1.html

SteveH
 
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Grinder

shegeek72 said:
I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

I did a cursory search on google and didn't find much.

How about full-immersion liquid coolant?
http://www.markusleonhardt.de/en/oelbilder.html
 
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Guest

Grinder said:
How about full-immersion liquid coolant?
http://www.markusleonhardt.de/en/oelbilder.html
BTDTGTTS - well, almost. Our disco amplifier was constantly tripping out
on over-temperature until, one day, we got the idea of shoving it (less
mains transformer) in a fish-tank and filling the latter up with
distilled water. Back-lit, with a few plastic fish to show the thermal
effects, it was a great success.

If you try this, be warned. The end result has about as much alcohol
tolerance as I do - a pint of beer and it ceases to operate in any
useful manner...
 
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I've been thinking about blowing cold air into a puter case. Water

Don't forget that cold air carries much less water then warm air, so you
would want to place the heat exchanger far enough away from the machine to
not get any water in it.
cooling only takes care of the CPU / GPU, while the other devices: HD /
CD / DVD, other MB chips, etc are left to fans. I know nothing about
cooling compressors, but what's the possibily of building a small
refrigeration unit and blowing the cold air inside the case?

Very good. Ask Rittal and they might sell you one :)
No, seriously. No prob in the technics, but you might find that this is a
bit expensive.

You'll need a compressor ( a somewhat bigger one, like not from a frige but
from a professional freezer. If it hits the 500W mark you might be okay), a
heat exchanger (there your trouble will start. A plate excanger like in a
frdge won't do, too less surface. But as you still need someone to put all
that together and fill it with coolant he/ she might be able to put
something together) and some controlling mechanism to prevent icing.
Switching the comp on and off won't do, those things are made either for
continous use or few cycles a day.

Only, for a single PC it's more like a fun hacking project then evrything
else. That's making it cool, but if you just want to cool your PC stick
some fans in it and be done. I had no thermal problems this summer, and our
living room where our machines (up to X2 4800+, and 2 graphics cards) went
up to 37degrees celsius. Max cpu temp was 47 degC, top hd 43 and top
graphics was 64.

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SubKool_Ntrance

HiEv said:
P.S. Yes, I know it's most likely a hoax, but it's still funny.
Have seen CPU's dramatically over clocked with liquid nitrogen cooling.
-300 C, makes a huge difference to the conductive properties of a small
strip of gold leaf.

David

Personally i have a fountain pump, and a cooler core made from an old
car heater. Works quite well at taking both the CPU and the box in
general down to 10 C.
 
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SubKool_Ntrance said:
Have seen CPU's dramatically over clocked with liquid nitrogen cooling.
-300 C, makes a huge difference to the conductive properties of a small
^^^^^^

*cough*

<nitpick>
don't try this at home kids if you live in the Einstein continuum :)
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aside from that, i seriously doubt that one would get any useful operation
out of the CPU at any temperature in the near of 0K. Too much side effects.

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