Converting all old Office Files to 2007 format

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Guest

Is there one step that you can do to change older documents to the 2007
version? The only way I know to do it is to do it one document at a time -
and it reduplicates the document. I just want to convert it. Thanks.
 
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Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Daniel,

Are you using File=>Save as and saving to the new name or when you open the document using the Office Button then 'Convert'?

If you use convert the original file should be replaced with the new one (which can be a problem for some folks if they need that)
although the original file name won't be cleared from the listing in File=>Open until you close Word.

If you use Office Button=>Save and choose a different file name or file type you would get an additional file and retain your
original.

You can add the convert button to your quick access toolbar when you open a .doc file by using Office Button, right click on
'convert' and add it. It will only 'light up' when a document would need to switch from a 2003 to a 2007 format.

There is a batch migration tool for deployments (part of a set of tools, rather than a standalone) but it too creates a new set of
documents as the default, rather than chance losing content).

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Is there one step that you can do to change older documents to the 2007
version? The only way I know to do it is to do it one document at a time -
and it reduplicates the document. I just want to convert it. Thanks. <<
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Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
G

Guest

This doesn't work for me, i.e. the original file is still in place when I
close Word. I'm going to call Microsoft, but any ideas?

Thanks,
Chap
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Chap,

Since there were several things to be looked at in the previous scenario, it's not clear what/which item isn't working for you.

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This doesn't work for me, i.e. the original file is still in place when I
close Word. I'm going to call Microsoft, but any ideas?

Thanks,
Chap >>
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Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
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Guest

Sorry about that. The conversion feature doesn't work...

1) When I click on OFFICE > CONVERT, Word seems to convert the file, but it
doesn't change the file name in the title bar to *.docx.
2) When I click on OFFICE > SAVE, Word prompts me for a new file name.
3) And when I close Word, the previous version of the file is still in place.

The problem only exists on the network. The feature works fine on a local
drive.
 
G

Guest

Hi Chap,

we've got the same problem with converting files on network folders, too. It
works fine on the local drive.

Did you get a solution from Microsoft?
 
G

Guest

I opened two cases with Microsoft, one with the networking side, and both
said the software is operating as intended. I don't necessarily accept that,
because neither knew about the behavior before I pointed it out. And I got
the impression they were covering their bases. It doesn't make sense that the
software would behave one way on a local drive and another way on a network
drive.
 
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Guest

Hi Chap, thank you for your immediate response.

I agree with you - if it doesn't work on network drives it is NOT working as
intended! The documentation (and even Word's information dialog before
conversion) tells how it is intended to work. Besides - the feature works
here with Excel on network drives.

We will be investigating around the problem internally a bit more but we'll
probably also open a call to Microsoft next week. The faulty behaviour occurs
here even if the remote location is a share on another Windows XP SP2-PC.

We are using the German version.
 
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Jeff Mathewson

What issue are you having with the network and Word 2007? Your posts didn't
really state the problem..and I would be interested to know if it's
something like what we may be having with Word 2007.
 
J

Jeff Mathewson

Stefan,

I don't see this as a bug. But when doing a fast check, I see that it is
one..but a very good bug. In that we are doing massive conversions and need
to keep the DOC files, so as you can guess, converting and keeping the DOC
files is good unlike Excel which does delete the files - which doesn't seem
to have as many conversion problems as Word 2007 does.

The big question is, is this really a bug, or something MS removed. I've
been finding converting from other versions of Word isn't going all that
well and if we lost the DOC files it would be a mess..MS may have seen this
as well and removed the auto delete for Word???? At the end, I hope that
they DO NOT fix this bug.

Jeff.
 
G

Guest

Jeff,

yes, it's a bug not a feature. Problem is who will ever really clean up the
mess of duplicate files on the network storage with hundreds or thousands ?
What's your suggestion?

It's also documented what to do to get the feature you need:
Simply click on "Save as" instead of "Save" after clicking on "Convert" - so
there will be .docx and .doc files. But for Clicking on "Save" it's
documented to delete the old .doc.

And if the cause of the bug is i.e. some file-locking problem of Word 2007
on network storage it might cause other problems! I think I already
experienced another issue related to this. It can make work harder for
developers of .dotm-Word-Addins.

Stefan
 
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Graham Mayor

Why bother converting them? Word 2007 will open them and edit them as they
are?

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Graham Mayor

StefanKZVB said:
1. You can't use some Word 2007 features with doc files.

No you can't but your old documents don't have Word 2007 features.
2. .doc might become unusable with a future version - like Powerpoint
2007 can't read Powerpoint 4.0/95 files

This has never happened with Word before. Word can (still) open all previous
versions.
3. The "native" mode of applications is likely to be more tested /
bug-free / stable. Here's an example of a buggy implementation of a
compatibility feature:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/com...en-us-office&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us&m=1&p=1

It's a bit of a leap to believe that may be true, given that Word's doc
format has been around mucvh longer, but I take your point. Do your old
documents have this problem, or only new ones you are creating in
compatibilty mode? If not I still see no reason to mass convert old
documents. Those that need to be altered to cater for modifications that
would benefit from the Word 2007 features can be done as the issue arises.
It seems you are just making a lot of unnecessary work for yourself, but
then I'm not paying you ..... ;)
 
G

Guest

Graham Mayor said:
This has never happened with Word before. Word can (still) open all previous
versions.

I wouldn't have expected to become old Powerpoint formats unusable. And I
hope it will never happen to .doc but who knows?!
It's a bit of a leap to believe that may be true, given that Word's doc
format has been around mucvh longer, but I take your point. Do your old

You can simply try out and reproduce this issue yourself. MS can also
reproduce it.
documents have this problem, or only new ones you are creating in
compatibilty mode? If not I still see no reason to mass convert old
documents. Those that need to be altered to cater for modifications that
would benefit from the Word 2007 features can be done as the issue arises.
It seems you are just making a lot of unnecessary work for yourself, but
then I'm not paying you ..... ;)

The problem from the link can't be worked around for us by unsetting the
compatibility option since we are using third party fax software that
requires this compatibility option to be set. We set the option by a macro
before printing the document to a fax printer and reset it to its old value
afterwards. The compatibility option worked fine with Word 2000.

But it's just an example for issues that might occur with compatibility
options since they are less used and tested than native mode. And when
problems occur everybody (including MS if you are not a very important
customer to them i.e. due to the number of clients affected) will advise you
to switch to native mode (when the issue finally is tracked down to a
compatibility option which might be a long way)

So why not avoid those problems from the beginning? We don't want our
users/IT department to struggle with issues in compatibility mode.
 
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dwarkin

We have about 40.000 files in older
Office-formats whereof, about 25.000 in Office 95, about 15.000 in
Powerpoint-Presentations and WORD-Handbooks. Where may I send them to have
them converted? All of our former letters, a large part of our presentations-
and handbook-archiv is in-accessible for Office 2007.
Besides, Graham, WORD cannot show WORD-for-DOS-files properly; so Microsoft
desides whether and how long we users are entitled to access our files after
years. This is contrary to any compliance worldwide.
Microsoft may learn: we users MUST have access to older files without
restrictions. There are two main reasons to use computers: to work more
effectively and to be able to access former datas without restrictions. As
long as I can open PDFs from any year but not my Office-files after 5-10
years, even the XPS-Format will not be intruduced in companies, at least not
in europe ;-(((((
I think we all would be very greatfull if microsoft would release a
compatibility-pack for older files very urgently and would focus this problem
in this and any later office-version as a main feature for
business-customers. This must assure two main features: to view any older
file-type (preferably even the olde DOS-files still stored in many companys)
and to convert those for further use.
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Dwarkin,

MS does have a bulk conversion tool for moving to Office 2007 as part of the Office Migration Planning Manager, from the Office 2007
Resource Kit
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office/en-us/library/d0373697-31f5-4fc5-8dd1-1b9d7f35842f1033.mspx

It is more effective on Office 97-2003 files than on earlier versions.

DOS did not, without an addin, use truetype fonts for layout and Windows (and Office) do use those, so it's not a complete surprise
that the layouts of DOS Word files, not yet converted may not retain the layout.
There are a number of 3rd party services and products available to let you either do your own conversion or to do the bulk
conversion for you. As they generally have no printed reference for how the original file should have looked, the results are
sometimes a bit unexpected.

MS has not prevented you from accessing your files, it doesn't provide active support for older versions, generally after about 10
years, in part because a number of the older converters were written and owned by 3rd party companies no longer around. MS also has
not made it a secret of the timing when certain versions will revert to '3rd party' or 'owner responsibility' for compatibility :)
Car manufacturers do not continue to provide parts for older cars after a number of years and trying to find even manuals for older
electronic gear, appliances etc is also a bit of a challenge (my Microwave is very low wattage by today's standards and I have to
manually calculate the cooking time as what's on product packages is based on 1100W values it seems - while it's inconvenient, I
don't expect the mfr's to support the older stuff <g>. In general, businesses do tend to migrate/upgrade at least once a decade I
would suppose <g>. Word 97 is a 1996 product and I still use Word v6 and even WordStar v3 on occassion. The last 'update' or life
extension for MS DOS Office versions was basically a Y2K measure.

MS has, as a default setting, to improve security, stopped access to some of the older file formats as they are more susceptible to
infiltration and attachment of malignancies that could affect your business.

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We have about 40.000 files in older
Office-formats whereof, about 25.000 in Office 95, about 15.000 in
Powerpoint-Presentations and WORD-Handbooks. Where may I send them to have
them converted? All of our former letters, a large part of our presentations-
and handbook-archiv is in-accessible for Office 2007.
Besides, Graham, WORD cannot show WORD-for-DOS-files properly; so Microsoft
desides whether and how long we users are entitled to access our files after
years. This is contrary to any compliance worldwide.
Microsoft may learn: we users MUST have access to older files without
restrictions. There are two main reasons to use computers: to work more
effectively and to be able to access former datas without restrictions. As
long as I can open PDFs from any year but not my Office-files after 5-10
years, even the XPS-Format will not be intruduced in companies, at least not
in europe ;-(((((

I think we all would be very greatfull if microsoft would release a
compatibility-pack for older files very urgently and would focus this problem
in this and any later office-version as a main feature for
business-customers. This must assure two main features: to view any older
file-type (preferably even the olde DOS-files still stored in many companys)
and to convert those for further use. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
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StefanKZVB

Well, I understand MS does not want to support old formats forever.

On the other hand NOT supporting old formats and forcing customers
to use third-party tools to migrate old documents
actually increases the total cost of ownership for MS Office.

So simply discontinuing a file format is NOT customer friendly at all.

* * *
IMHO discontinuing a file format would be only acceptable if MS would provide
with every new Office version a good (!), easy and powerful tool to convert
ALL files
with not anymore supported formats reliably (!) to the new format.
* * *

The file converter tool provided in the 2007 ORK
does NOT meet these criterias, because:
- it does not convert the newly discontinued PPT 4.0 files
- it skips lots of files as unconvertable
- it has no option to convert to the same directories
not allowing you to have the converted files the same
file system rights.
- ...

Also for many customers there might be legal issues
why old documents must remain readable for decades.

Best regards

Stefan
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Stefan,

Yes, there are various reasons to need access to the old files. As I mentioned I have and still access files written over 30 years
ago. All of the old files remain readable by the versions of Office that created running under the operating system versions
available then.

No one *forced* anyone to purchase or a use a new version of anything and the transition out of old formats is announced years in
advance, which is pretty good in today's 'throw away' technology age http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle. That the companies
that wrote the old tools are no longer around or that there are potential security holes found in some of those older tools so that
they are discontinued, is just part of that product life cycle. :) Heck, I still have a case of 8" floppy disks I'll probably
never get to use because someone decided to change sizes <g>.

============
Well, I understand MS does not want to support old formats forever.

On the other hand NOT supporting old formats and forcing customers
to use third-party tools to migrate old documents
actually increases the total cost of ownership for MS Office.

So simply discontinuing a file format is NOT customer friendly at all.

* * *
IMHO discontinuing a file format would be only acceptable if MS would provide
with every new Office version a good (!), easy and powerful tool to convert
ALL files
with not anymore supported formats reliably (!) to the new format.
* * *

The file converter tool provided in the 2007 ORK
does NOT meet these criterias, because:
- it does not convert the newly discontinued PPT 4.0 files
- it skips lots of files as unconvertable
- it has no option to convert to the same directories
not allowing you to have the converted files the same
file system rights.
- ...

Also for many customers there might be legal issues
why old documents must remain readable for decades.

Best regards

Stefan >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 

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