Conon i960 borderless printing missing details is this normal?

[camry]

Hi,

I just got my new Canon i960 printer and ot performs flawlessly. I
used MS photo editior and also the Canon Easy photo Print and
noticited if I chose borderless photos the details are cut off on the
edges. Is this normal?

Don

 

[Woobie]

What do you mean by "details?"
Joe

 

[Mark Herring]

Hi,

I just got my new Canon i960 printer and ot performs flawlessly. I
used MS photo editior and also the Canon Easy photo Print and
noticited if I chose borderless photos the details are cut off on the
edges. Is this normal?

Don

No experience with Canon, but I have an Epson story that is relevant.

Epson 1280 seems to print borderless at nearly 1:1---i.e. print size
in Photshop set to 4" actually prints at 4" (Maybe it clips about 1%)

New Epson 900 scales by about 7% to do borderless. Why the
difference? Epson support is no help. Finally I install an 890
driver and now the printer behaves like the 1280.

It's a long shot, but you might try different drivers. Otherwise,
scale down your print size.
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[camry]

One software chops off the details on the edges and another doesn;t as
much so maybe it's in the software?

 

[Fat Boy]

One software chops off the details on the edges and another doesn;t as
much so maybe it's in the software?

I have a Canon I860 which I expect has a similar driver.

In the settings box, where you tick off "borderless" is a slider which
determines the "Amount Of Extension". You could reduce this and see if
it helps.

 

[Mark Herring]

One software chops off the details on the edges and another doesn;t as
much so maybe it's in the software?

Absolutely---it's all in the driver. The printer is dumb
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[Mark Herring]

I have a Canon I860 which I expect has a similar driver.

In the settings box, where you tick off "borderless" is a slider which
determines the "Amount Of Extension". You could reduce this and see if
it helps.

Why can't Epson do this???
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[Mike S.]

Hi,

I just got my new Canon i960 printer and ot performs flawlessly. I
used MS photo editior and also the Canon Easy photo Print and
noticited if I chose borderless photos the details are cut off on the
edges. Is this normal?

The Canon printers do borderless prints using a special feature of the
Canon printer driver which forces overprinting; i.e. it prints an image
which is physically larger than the paper. The portion of the image which
spills over the edge is lost; however in the printer driver setup there is
a slider which controls how much overprinting is done. IIRC the default is
2 notches from the minimum. If you move the slider one more position to
the right, it will cut off less area; at the risk of having a tiny
"border" on some prints.

 

[camry]

Thanks. I was able to produce better "borderless" results with MS
photo editor rather than the Canon Easy Photo editor which crops a lot
more off the borders.

I did move the extension further to the right as it was at the 3
notch. Now it is at the end, and although it still cuts off a little,
it is not as pronouced as before. I can only move the adjuster in
large block increments though.

I guess one has to expcet to lose a bit in borderless mode

On some "borderless" photos, I still end up with borders on the left
and right though. ICould it be the picture and # of pixels it has that
causes this?

 

[Mike S.]

Thanks. I was able to produce better "borderless" results with MS
photo editor rather than the Canon Easy Photo editor which crops a lot
more off the borders.

I did move the extension further to the right as it was at the 3
notch. Now it is at the end, and although it still cuts off a little,
it is not as pronouced as before. I can only move the adjuster in
large block increments though.

I guess one has to expcet to lose a bit in borderless mode

On some "borderless" photos, I still end up with borders on the left
and right though. ICould it be the picture and # of pixels it has that
causes this?

Yes. It's probably because the aspect ratio of your image is not exactly
the same as that of the paper you are printing to. That's why it's
pointless to agonize too much about images being "cropped" during printing.
A small amount of cropping is always going to occur when printing
borderless images to standard photo-sized paper ... unless your image is
of the exact proper aspect ratio. For instance, I usually set my C5050 to
produce 3:2 images so they print on 4x6 paper the same as they appear on
the screen.

 

[camry]

Thanks greatly for your help so far ..

I finally figured out there is a manual adjustment to the details of a
photo and the default was NOT set as it's highest, so that solved one
problem in comparing with my old HP pics.

Currently the flesh colors are too orangy so what must I do to correct
this? I don't want to go through a ton of 8 x 11 so I am going to buy
some 4 x 6 photo papers

 

[Wolf Kirchmeir]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:20:06 +0000 (UTC), Mike S. wrote:

=>Yes. It's probably because the aspect ratio of your image is not exactly
=>the same as that of the paper you are printing to. That's why it's
=>pointless to agonize too much about images being "cropped" during printing.
=>A small amount of cropping is always going to occur when printing
=>borderless images to standard photo-sized paper ... unless your image is
=>of the exact proper aspect ratio. For instance, I usually set my C5050 to
=>produce 3:2 images so they print on 4x6 paper the same as they appear on
=>the screen.

Even photofinishers crop the picture. If you want the whole
frame, print the whole frame with a border around it. If
you must have borderless prints, cut off the white bits
later.

This "borderless printing" in IMO is a mere fashion. It
came in for photofinishing because some people thought they
were getting more for their money when they got pictures
without borders, a misconception exploited by the
photofinishing business, who initially charged more for
borderless prints -- see, I'm an old guy who lived through
it Also, all consumer level film cameras show less in
the viewfinder than the lens sees. Most viewfinders crop
even more than the photofinisher, in fact. This is to
ensure that heads aren't scalped, etc, in the final print.

Anyhow, most pictures could do with judicious cropping.
That's one reason I'm holding off on buying a digital
camera -- only the pro-quality ones, which I can't afford,
have sufficient picture information to rival what I get on
35mm film.

 

[camry]

That's good to know as I was fooled on this whole borderless thing!

I didn't know abouth digital cameras either and I haven't bought one
because I didn't think they have advanced enough to rival SLR cameras.