computer getting slow for not the usual reasons

P

paulmars

No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
Cookies and temp files deleted.

After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.

Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
belong is there.

Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
been there forever.

I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
(different nights) and found no problems.

Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much faster
then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD and it
is still like that after reinstall xp.

I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.

A few hours ago, I right clicked on the desktop to make a new dir and the
context menu poped up and I choose new folder and the hour glass appeared
and I waited over 5 minutes for it to make the new folder. Nothing else was
opened. This is an extreme example of what I deal with, but u get the idea.

Sometimes when it is starting to get slow, I will open task mgr or something
else, and it will not open, then maybe 15 minutes later it will open. Or I
will try and close an app and it wont, but maybe 1,2,5,12 minutes later it
will close.

As long as I keep just a few things open, it usually does not get too slow,
but sometimes I am not that lucky.

One thing that I can not do anymore at all is upload videos to youtube. It
starts ok, but the upload gets slower and slower and finally freezes.
Nothing else is frozen, just the upload percent. This is how I first noticed
this condition on my last xp install and it continues today. Even closing
all unneeded apps and starting the upload and leaving the computer will not
get the entire file uploaded. However, from what I said above, this is not
the only thing to causes my system to slowdown and sometimes freeze. Very
rarely does the entire computer freeze, because I can usually since the
slowness getting intolerable and I close somethings.

HELP!

PS: I wrote this is notepad and saved it to desktop. When I opened it, it
took 12 seconds to open in notepad.
 
U

Uncle Grumpy

paulmars said:
I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.

You've tested your memory... found nothing. Your CPU might be dying.
On a wild-assed-guess: is the CPU fan operating properly?
 
S

SingaporeWebDesign

Hello,

Any task manager process taking up 100% CPU?

Did you install all the drivers (especially chipset and gfx)?

I suspect that your PC may be overheating, and thus the processor is
throttling itself.

Check the temperature using your BIOS setup and let us know how it goes.
 
P

paulmars

I did double check my shut off temp and I still have it set considerably
below the max rating.

Can it die without over heating? Would a dieing cpu be likely to slow down
the system, especially (usually) as it gets loaded down with more tasks?
Although the youtube always failing is not dependant on that.
 
R

Rock

paulmars said:
No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
Cookies and temp files deleted.

After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.

Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
belong is there.

Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
been there forever.

I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
(different nights) and found no problems.

Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much
faster then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD
and it is still like that after reinstall xp.

I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.

A few hours ago, I right clicked on the desktop to make a new dir and the
context menu poped up and I choose new folder and the hour glass appeared
and I waited over 5 minutes for it to make the new folder. Nothing else
was opened. This is an extreme example of what I deal with, but u get the
idea.

Sometimes when it is starting to get slow, I will open task mgr or
something else, and it will not open, then maybe 15 minutes later it will
open. Or I will try and close an app and it wont, but maybe 1,2,5,12
minutes later it will close.

As long as I keep just a few things open, it usually does not get too
slow, but sometimes I am not that lucky.

One thing that I can not do anymore at all is upload videos to youtube. It
starts ok, but the upload gets slower and slower and finally freezes.
Nothing else is frozen, just the upload percent. This is how I first
noticed this condition on my last xp install and it continues today. Even
closing all unneeded apps and starting the upload and leaving the computer
will not get the entire file uploaded. However, from what I said above,
this is not the only thing to causes my system to slowdown and sometimes
freeze. Very rarely does the entire computer freeze, because I can usually
since the slowness getting intolerable and I close somethings.

HELP!

PS: I wrote this is notepad and saved it to desktop. When I opened it, it
took 12 seconds to open in notepad.

In Device Manager double click the IDE ATA channel and look on the Advanced
Settings tab. Is it in PIO or DMA mode?
 
P

paulmars

Rarely does CPU usage get near 100%, when I can check it. Maybe those times
that task mgr did not open it was at 100%. I have never seen a single
process over 36,xxxk. On a few occasions when it was slowing to a crawl, I
looked and saw cpu usage under 10%

The system is set up to shut down if cpu temp gets to a preset temp which is
considerably below the max listed. But maybe you are on to something. I see
both cpu fans working now and I will look at BIOS temp when running low load
and when it gets busy. Maybe I can find a free windows temp monitor so I can
watch as I upload a video. Let me know if u know of any free safe apps to
use.

yes all board drivers were installed after the xp reinstall.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Paul

Have you looked in the system and application logs for Warning and
Error Reports in Event Viewer for the last boot. These can be
difficult to interpret so post copies here. Disregard Information
Reports.

You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, and Event Viewer. When researching the
meaning of the error, information regarding Event ID, Source and
Description are important.

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us

Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
should double click for further information. You can copy using
copy and paste. Often the link will, however, say there is no
further information. http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
(Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)

A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and
double click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which
appears is a button resembling two pages. Click the button and
close Event Viewer. Now start your message (email) and do a paste
into the body of the message. Make sure this is the first paste
after exiting from Event Viewer.

Another thought:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/slowrightclick.htm

Malware -notwithstanding what you say.

Install and run HijackThis:
Download HijackThis (Freeware)
http://tomcoyote.com/hjt/

Finally run HijackThis and post the HijackThis log to the HijackThis
forum here:
http://aumha.net/

You will need to register with Aumha to be able to post.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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paulmars

7 last startup Errors in System, one last shutdown Warning in application.

Most cases the right click menu appears ok, including many examples on at
page.

I am registered at aumba and have used hijackthis, but it really did not
seem relevant here, especially since reinstall had the same condition.

Event logs seem the most likely, since there are errors and warnings. I will
check out "HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs", however it looks like it
will need my undivided attention, I will ASAP, but not right now. Thanks.

Just now I looked and I see error and warnings everyday and they are
different. I should look into all of them? That is overwhelming.

Paul
 
P

paulmars

Application error said no user action needed.

System errors did not all have this explanation, but all had this user
action:

Explanation
This problem is typically caused by a failing cable that connects the
drive to the computer.


User Action
Replace the cable.



I will do such right now...
 
T

Tim Judd

paulmars said:
No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
Cookies and temp files deleted.

After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.

Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
belong is there.

Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
been there forever.

I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
(different nights) and found no problems.

Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much faster
then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD and it
is still like that after reinstall xp.

I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.

A few hours ago, I right clicked on the desktop to make a new dir and the
context menu poped up and I choose new folder and the hour glass appeared
and I waited over 5 minutes for it to make the new folder. Nothing else was
opened. This is an extreme example of what I deal with, but u get the idea.

Sometimes when it is starting to get slow, I will open task mgr or something
else, and it will not open, then maybe 15 minutes later it will open. Or I
will try and close an app and it wont, but maybe 1,2,5,12 minutes later it
will close.

As long as I keep just a few things open, it usually does not get too slow,
but sometimes I am not that lucky.

One thing that I can not do anymore at all is upload videos to youtube. It
starts ok, but the upload gets slower and slower and finally freezes.
Nothing else is frozen, just the upload percent. This is how I first noticed
this condition on my last xp install and it continues today. Even closing
all unneeded apps and starting the upload and leaving the computer will not
get the entire file uploaded. However, from what I said above, this is not
the only thing to causes my system to slowdown and sometimes freeze. Very
rarely does the entire computer freeze, because I can usually since the
slowness getting intolerable and I close somethings.

HELP!

PS: I wrote this is notepad and saved it to desktop. When I opened it, it
took 12 seconds to open in notepad.

I had a very similar problem years and years ago. I chalked it up to a
failing HDD.

I found things excessively slow too! What floored me what that I
couldn't burn a CD at 1x speed (150KBytes/sec) -- I would get buffer
underruns.

The HDD just wasn't able to accurately read data anymore.

Maybe this is what's happening to you!

Good luck, HTH.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Paul

With cables check connections first.

Normally Reports from a single boot / session are sufficent but you
should look back to the previous session to see if problems in the
current session have occurred previously. Some errors occur and after
you have restarted never appear again.

Post complete copies here as it is difficult to offer further help
without this level of feedback. Interpretation of error reports is not
just a matter of reading what they say. Microsoft have developed the
elaborate system of reporting but the interpretation of these reports
by Microsoft lags far behind. I am not sure I agree with some where it
says "no user action needed"!

A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a
button resembling two pages. Click the button and close Event
Viewer.Now start your message (email) and do a paste into the body of
the message. Make sure this is the first paste after exiting from
Event Viewer.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
P

paulmars

this is the complete error from the link provided and I did look at the
previous days and it was there too.

Explanation
This problem is typically caused by a failing cable that connects the
drive to the computer.


User Action
Replace the cable.

Here is the event properties error with the link mentioned:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Disk
Event Category: None
Event ID: 11
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 8:09:28 PM
User: N/A
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk0\D.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 04 00 68 00 01 00 b6 00 ..h...¶.
0008: 00 00 00 00 0b 00 04 c0 .......À
0010: 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 6e e4 a2 01 00 00 00 .nä¢....
0028: 0e 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0030: ff ff ff ff 03 00 00 00 ÿÿÿÿ....
0038: 40 00 00 8f 02 00 00 00 @......
0040: 00 20 0a 12 80 03 20 40 . ..?. @
0048: 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 ........
0050: 00 00 00 00 e8 d9 a8 81 ....èÙ¨
0058: 00 00 00 00 f0 62 94 81 ....ðb?
0060: 02 00 00 00 37 72 d1 00 ....7rÑ.
0068: 2a 00 00 d1 72 37 00 00 *..Ñr7..
0070: 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?.......
0078: f0 00 04 00 00 00 00 0b ð.......
0080: 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00 ........
0088: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........

here is the shutdown error that said no user action:

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1517
Date: 2/20/2007
Time: 3:21:34 AM
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Windows saved user PAULMARS\Administrator registry while an application or
service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used by the
user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when it is
no longer in use.

This is often caused by services running as a user account, try configuring
the services to run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Here is another:

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MsiInstaller
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 9:26:32 PM
User: PAULMARS\Administrator
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Detection of product '{78CC3BAB-DE2A-4FB4-8FBB-E4DADDC26747}', feature
'Complete' failed during request for component
'{4FE9AEF8-7464-49B7-AF0F-85E61456685E}'

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Here is another:

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MsiInstaller
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1004
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 9:26:32 PM
User: PAULMARS\Administrator
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Detection of product '{78CC3BAB-DE2A-4FB4-8FBB-E4DADDC26747}', feature
'Complete', component '{2139AF56-C6EC-4B3E-8CCC-F14D18AEC562}' failed. The
resource 'C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Lavasoft
Ad-Aware SE Personal\' does not exist.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Those are all last night. I have had no errors since replacing the cable.
Let me shut down and see if I get another shutdown error... Nope.

paul
 
P

paulmars

Thanks

Tim Judd said:
I had a very similar problem years and years ago. I chalked it up to a
failing HDD.

I found things excessively slow too! What floored me what that I couldn't
burn a CD at 1x speed (150KBytes/sec) -- I would get buffer underruns.

The HDD just wasn't able to accurately read data anymore.

Maybe this is what's happening to you!

Good luck, HTH.
 
P

paulmars

maybe it is my HDD. Of course I forgot to look at my cpu temp during reboot.
I will go online and look for a program to monitor temp in xp. Can i test my
HDD?

I decided to install my burning software and I opened a desktop dir that has
its install exes and it took 3 seconds to open and then the file area of the
dir was clear, so I could see thru to the desktop. It stayed like that for
17 seconds before it went white and showed the files. So, I closed it and
went away. A few minutes later I came back and started uploading a video to
youtube and I opened azureus which started downloading a movie. After a few
minutes, I opened that dir on the desktop again. It opened in under 1
second. So, the computer is busier, but this dir opens faster.

I think it is now worse then before the xp reinstall.

WTF?
 
R

Rock

paulmars said:
maybe it is my HDD. Of course I forgot to look at my cpu temp during
reboot. I will go online and look for a program to monitor temp in xp. Can
i test my HDD?


Download a drive diagnostic utility from the hard drive manufacturer's web
site. That will create a bootable floppy or CD. Boot from that and run the
diagnostics.
 
P

paulmars

Rock said:
Download a drive diagnostic utility from the hard drive manufacturer's web
site. That will create a bootable floppy or CD. Boot from that and run
the diagnostics.
Done and its ok.
 
D

Daave

paulmars said:
No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
Cookies and temp files deleted.

After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.

Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite
low. I invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing
that does not belong is there.

Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and
have been there forever.

Do you recall doing anything at all prior to the sluggishness?
Installing any programs or updates? Upgrading RAM, etc?

If this is a software issue, I would look *thoroughly* into all the
processes you have running. First, run Process Explorer:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx

Another idea is to run HijackThis and post in one of the appropriate
forums for expert feedback:

http://www.tomcoyote.org/hjt/
I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
(different nights) and found no problems.

Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much
faster then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed
the HDD and it is still like that after reinstall xp.

How much RAM do you have? Is it matched? Is it seated properly? Have you
cleared out all the dust bunnies?
 

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