Compatability FAQ

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chendrikson

How will I know if my power supply will be compatible with my MoBo
combo ?

Any helpful websites, or compu-geniuses in this group that can help ??

Im looking to pair a 460 watt power supply (comes with a case Im
looking at getting) with a Asus P5WD2-Premium Intel 955 Socket 775 ATX
Motherboard and an Intel Pentium D 950 3.40GHz Dual-Core OEM Processor
- combo. (Thank you tigerdirect.com)
 
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Paul

How will I know if my power supply will be compatible with my MoBo
combo ?

Any helpful websites, or compu-geniuses in this group that can help ??

Im looking to pair a 460 watt power supply (comes with a case Im
looking at getting) with a Asus P5WD2-Premium Intel 955 Socket 775 ATX
Motherboard and an Intel Pentium D 950 3.40GHz Dual-Core OEM Processor
- combo. (Thank you tigerdirect.com)

It is an inexact science, due to all the manufacturers that refuse
to provide useful info about device power consumption.

Your processor draws 130W max. This is drawn from the 2x2 ATX 12V
connector. I assume the Vcore converter is 90% efficient. The
current draw from +12V is (130W/12V)*(1/0.90) = 12 amps.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL94P

Your video card is another big power consumer. A high end video
card is worth including in the calculation.

Your disk drive needs 2amps from the 12V rail during the first
10 seconds or so. The 12V power drops down to 0.5 amps once
the disk is fully up to speed.

To do a complete calculation, of the 12V current draw, I need
to see the exact brand and model of power supply (so I can look
up the ratings printed on the label), plus I need a detailed
list of all hardware. Then I can tell you a bit about your
proposed setup.

This isn't exactly rocket science. The toughest part is finding
good articles on web sites, where some investigator has measured
the power, so that we have some estimates. Then it is just a
matter of adding it all up.

You can use sites like this, but they hide the details, making
it harder to comment on whether the determination is being
done properly. To do this job properly, the power supply
calculator web page should report how much 3.3V @ X amps,
5V @ Y amps and 12V @ Z amps. Knowing the total power ("460W"),
doesn't tell us whether the power supply has good 12V capabilities.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

The Takaman site in Japan used to be good for doing estimates,
but while the domain still exists, the server appears to be
broken.

Paul
 
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chendrikson

WOW. Thank You Paul. I'll do some research on the model number (of
power supply) that is included in the case Im looking at. Hopefully
tigerdirect.com provides this information.
 
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DaveW

Are you SURE you don't want to wait a month and get a cool running more
efficient and powerful Duo Core 2 CPU that Intel is releasing the end of
JULY that will be replacing the HOT running Pentium D???
 
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Paul

WOW. Thank You Paul. I'll do some research on the model number (of
power supply) that is included in the case Im looking at. Hopefully
tigerdirect.com provides this information.

Is it this one ?

http://lp.pcmoddingmy.com/albums/userpics/10003/nextherm28.jpg
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1597229&CatId=1509

If it is, my first question would be, where does the cooler get
its power ? The Peltier cooler uses 52W, which could be coming
from the 12V rail.

http://www.pcmoddingmy.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.255.4

If the 4 amps for the cooler comes from the peripheral rail, that
leaves 14 amps for a video card and disk drives. If you had the most
powerful ATI video card, it draws 10 amps from +12V, and then things
might be getting a bit tight. If you had a 6600GT, it draws about
4 amps from +12V, and there is plenty of current. The power supply
is pretty good, based on specs, but if the components you use are
super-high-end, the power supply could be heavily loaded on +12V.

Paul
 
K

kony

LoL...not anymore. Thank You DaveW.


Actually the release of it will make Pentium D prices much
more attractive, it may cause an 805 or even 820 to drop
significantly below the $100 mark. A few hundred dollars
buys a lotta heatsink...
 
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Todd

Paul said:
It is an inexact science, due to all the manufacturers that refuse
to provide useful info about device power consumption.

Your processor draws 130W max. This is drawn from the 2x2 ATX 12V
connector. I assume the Vcore converter is 90% efficient. The
current draw from +12V is (130W/12V)*(1/0.90) = 12 amps.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL94P

Your video card is another big power consumer. A high end video
card is worth including in the calculation.

Your disk drive needs 2amps from the 12V rail during the first
10 seconds or so. The 12V power drops down to 0.5 amps once
the disk is fully up to speed.

To do a complete calculation, of the 12V current draw, I need
to see the exact brand and model of power supply (so I can look
up the ratings printed on the label), plus I need a detailed
list of all hardware. Then I can tell you a bit about your
proposed setup.

This isn't exactly rocket science. The toughest part is finding
good articles on web sites, where some investigator has measured
the power, so that we have some estimates. Then it is just a
matter of adding it all up.

You can use sites like this, but they hide the details, making
it harder to comment on whether the determination is being
done properly. To do this job properly, the power supply
calculator web page should report how much 3.3V @ X amps,
5V @ Y amps and 12V @ Z amps. Knowing the total power ("460W"),
doesn't tell us whether the power supply has good 12V capabilities.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

The Takaman site in Japan used to be good for doing estimates,
but while the domain still exists, the server appears to be
broken.

Paul

In addition I was reading an article on testing Power Supplies yesterday (I
googled on "Power Supply Tester") and most of the power supplies they tested
would not meet their rated power. Three supplies actually burned up and
were destroyed when they tried to get rated power from them. One which did
not burn up and which was marked on the case as 350W they derated to about
250W. The company which made it had the gall to complain saying that they
stated on their web site that because of the cooling capacity of the fan it
should not be used to supply more than 250W. Like somebody buying a power
supply plainly marked as 350W was at fault if they believed it.

In any case if you need a 450W power supply, you will probably have to buy
one rated by the manufacturer at 500W or even 550W.

Definately look for reviews for the exact power supply you are thinking of
buying, and if I couldn't find a review, I would buy a different power
supply. There are plenty of them out there.

Also the reviewers said that every power supply that they tested, that did
well in the test, cost at least $50.00

Todd
 

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