Clue Needed, aka DVD replication woes


G

Gary Walker

Background....

I was asked to replicate a video DVD by my neighbor.

It's not anything copyright, simply some 60+ yo video
that was converted from the original movie camera.

Having a recently purchased Win/MCE(aka professional)
system, with plenty of CD/DVD gadgetry, I agreed.

I was easily able to replicate the video for computer
viewing. But, the neighbor wanted a TV type DVD
player compatibility, which my copy doesn't have.

This is my first pass at this.... Through further research,
I see the original video is UDF, and my reproduction is
CDFS. I've done some web based reading on this, but
it appears that with Win/XP won't support UDF(??),
at least not for RW.

The blank DVD's purchased for this little project were
Fuji DVD(-RW) 4.7G 2X.

Any suggestions on where I might view/read a tutorial
on this activity?

Thanks - Gary
 
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Jim

Gary Walker said:
Background....

I was asked to replicate a video DVD by my neighbor.

It's not anything copyright, simply some 60+ yo video
that was converted from the original movie camera.

Having a recently purchased Win/MCE(aka professional)
system, with plenty of CD/DVD gadgetry, I agreed.

I was easily able to replicate the video for computer
viewing. But, the neighbor wanted a TV type DVD
player compatibility, which my copy doesn't have.

This is my first pass at this.... Through further research,
I see the original video is UDF, and my reproduction is
CDFS. I've done some web based reading on this, but
it appears that with Win/XP won't support UDF(??),
at least not for RW.

The blank DVD's purchased for this little project were
Fuji DVD(-RW) 4.7G 2X.

Any suggestions on where I might view/read a tutorial
on this activity?

Thanks - Gary
You should consult the real experts in the media center newsgroup.
Be aware, though, that not all DVD players which are connected to TVs can
read DVD-RW disks.
More such players can read DVD-R disks.
Jim
 
G

Gary Walker

Jim said:
You should consult the real experts in the media center newsgroup.
Be aware, though, that not all DVD players which are connected to TVs can
read DVD-RW disks.
More such players can read DVD-R disks.
Jim

Thanks Jim. My brief review indicates that M.P.W.mov-
iemaker might be a better forum, although I'm not using
MM. At least there seems like a lot of discussions over
there on DVD formats/operation/etc.

Also, your comment on discrepancies among DVD/R
vs. DVD/RW are probably quite accurate. Although
the job only required DVD/R, I purchased RW for
other possible uses.

Thanks again,

Gary
 
R

RJK

I suspect you're looking in the wrong area a little bit. i.e. you're
talking about file systems when you should perhaps be talking about video
formats, video conversion, and preparation for burning your video to a DVD
that'll play in a domestic DVD player, ...which is what you ask.

What type of Video is on the DVD as indicated by the filetype ? e.g. is it
*.avi *.mpg ... or is it already in *.VOB format but, just needs to be
authored perhaps?

To get your "video" to play on a domestic DVD player, it has to in, or
converted to, a suitable format and then "authored."
"Authoring" generates the *.ifo and *. bup files from your "video" *.vob
files, that your DVD burner prog. (e.g. Nero) will need, to burn the DVD in
the correct way.

If you don't feel up to wading around in TEMPGenc / VOBlanker IFOedit etc.
and the hideous complexities of DVD formats and conversions and so on, and
using various programs to bash the thing into shape, try Nero 7, it'll take
"video" files and convert / author and burn it to DVD so that it'll play in
a domestic DVD player. I tried it - ..didn't thing much of the quality but,
it's and idea at least.
Cucusoft do a range of conversion programs:- (dunno how good they
are...I've fiddled with several of them - prolly lots better out there.)
http://www.cucusoft.com/

regards, Richard
 
G

Gary Walker

RJK said:
I suspect you're looking in the wrong area a little bit. i.e. you're
talking about file systems when you should perhaps be talking about video
formats, video conversion, and preparation for burning your video to a DVD
that'll play in a domestic DVD player, ...which is what you ask.

What type of Video is on the DVD as indicated by the filetype ? e.g. is
it *.avi *.mpg ... or is it already in *.VOB format but, just needs to be
authored perhaps?

To get your "video" to play on a domestic DVD player, it has to in, or
converted to, a suitable format and then "authored."
"Authoring" generates the *.ifo and *. bup files from your "video" *.vob
files, that your DVD burner prog. (e.g. Nero) will need, to burn the DVD
in the correct way.

If you don't feel up to wading around in TEMPGenc / VOBlanker IFOedit etc.
and the hideous complexities of DVD formats and conversions and so on, and
using various programs to bash the thing into shape, try Nero 7, it'll
take "video" files and convert / author and burn it to DVD so that it'll
play in a domestic DVD player. I tried it - ..didn't thing much of the
quality but, it's and idea at least.
Cucusoft do a range of conversion programs:- (dunno how good they
are...I've fiddled with several of them - prolly lots better out there.)
http://www.cucusoft.com/

regards, Richard

Thanks Richard.... Unfortunately, I no longer have the
original video, although I can simply walk next door
and get it back. The reason I mention this was that I
considered inclusion of a directory snapshot in my OP.

But, as I recall, the DVD had 9 files. One relate to the
vob, one related to the ifo, and several that were
mpeg. Bup also had a representation. Perhaps I didn't
mention this, but the source video played in my tv top
dvd player, just fine.

As usual, I approached the effort from the standpoint
of simply replicating one data disk to another, rather
that actually creating a dvd. Using this simplicity, I was
quite surprised when my output did not match the input.

Of course, any time you want to write a cd/dvd, a
software product front ends the process. If I could have
simply identically duplicated the disk, I'm sure that all
would have been fine.

Your comments concerning additional SF ideas further
accentuates my suspicion about oem promotional SF
shipped on a new system. IOW, If I'd had a compre-
hensive SF product for this purpose, rather that the
free alternatives shipped with the system, I'd probably
been OK.

Thanks, for the comments.

Gary
 
R

RJK

oops! ....I see :)
....seeing as it already plays on a domestic DVD

...."rip" it using SmartRipper or DVDdecryptor.
....author it using IFOedit
.... and burn it using Nero.

....there used to be a freeware or shareware program out there, that would
create a duplicate "byte by byte" copy of a disk. Dunno is it's still
around, whether it would work, or whether it'll do DVD's but, could be worth
eploration. Also, there are "all in one" programs "out there" that'll copy
a DVD.

regards, Richard
 
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G

Gary Walker

Apparently, this is a lot more complicated than at first
thought. I'll certainly be more wary next time before
blindly agreeing to make such a copy. Although it has
been somewhat educational.

Thanks again for the comments, Richard.

Gary
 
J

Jim

Gary Walker said:
Thanks Jim. My brief review indicates that M.P.W.mov-
iemaker might be a better forum, although I'm not using
MM. At least there seems like a lot of discussions over
there on DVD formats/operation/etc.

Also, your comment on discrepancies among DVD/R
vs. DVD/RW are probably quite accurate. Although
the job only required DVD/R, I purchased RW for
other possible uses.

Thanks again,

Gary
The DVD player that I have connected to my home audio system can read DVD-R
but not DVD-RW. It is an older Sony.
Jim
 
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Gary Walker

Jim said:
The DVD player that I have connected to my home audio system can read
DVD-R but not DVD-RW. It is an older Sony.
Jim

Of course, I spent my time in trying to purchase just the
right blank dvd(R,-RW, +RW, ?x, etc.) to try and supp-
ort the widest range of dvd players. And never gave too
much/any attention to the possibility of a RR vs. RW
discrepancy. There seems to be a lot of pitfalls

Thanks Jim, for the comments.

Gary
 

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