CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected):how to stop?

[Gary Brandenburg]

Hardly! I was commenting on the fact that from my seat it appears that there are
very strong beliefs on both sides of the case for and against defragmentation. I
have never seen a downside to defragmenting disks, so I have always done so, as it
always made sense to do so. I think that there are a lot more important things to
spend energy on than whether or not one should defragment a hard drive... I should
have stated my comment as follows: It seems that belief in defragmenting or not
defragmenting a disk is close to a religious belief..


I share your concern about bad sectors. And in all of the years and with all of
the hdd's I have had, this situation was unique, which is why this drive is being
sent out to pasture. BTW, I did go into Event Viewer but the only red error
messages referred to the drive being dirty and scheduled to run chkdsk.


Yes, I am a titch compulsive. I have my hard drive, my images of my hdd, and a
removable drive with copies of my images. Belt, suspenders, and more suspenders...

Thanks. Ironically, it was Rod, I believe, who originally pointed me in the
direction of Acronis TrueImage many years ago...! While he may not believe in
defragmenting disks, he has a lot of knowledge that has proven valuable over the
years.

Many thanks for your input!
Ken K

You're quite welcome Ken (also my dad's name)

Yeah, Acronis is a great program! When you have to restore a backup, it's awesome to
see the PC boot up with everything just as it was when you created the backup. All
the desktop icons in place & all the programs run just as they did before,etc..

You seem to have a good backup routine & you can never go too far with that.

I have Acronis 11 on my desktop (XP) & gave my dad Acronis 10 when I upgraded to 11.
I put his old HDD(his 80 gig) in his, as a secondary HDD, when he wanted a larger one
& I have a secondary drive in my desktop running ATI 11 & even in my laptop running
ATI 2009(Vista) & have automatic backups scheduled every Sunday. We both have
2.5"external hard drives that we run manual backups to, about mid week.
It's a good feeling to know that if anything happens, we'll never be without our OS.
It took a long time to, "tune" & update & tweak our PCs over time & I won't have to
start from scratch with any of them again.
They lost everything, a couple of years ago when their power supply went out & took
out the MOBO,& HDD, before I gave them my copy of Acronis. That gave us a very sick
feeling when that occurred.
My brother's desktop had the HDD fail & lost everything,& he had no backup or backup
program.

Most people don't think of backups until it's too late, & have lost everything.

I was wondering about what the Event Viewer because I had a client that was getting
warnings at every boot that the hard drive was going & that "failure was imminent",
so I was just curious if you had gotten anything like that.

I'm glad that that was all it was, in your case, & that your diligent preparation for
such an event paid off.

~Gary

 

[Gary Brandenburg]

Gary Brandenburg wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes,
and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5
stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that
long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful
profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to
let it complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow
one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I
HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when
it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot
into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08),
Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2
days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not
mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files
for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed
the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for
mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince
myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles
folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because
they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file.
At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try
to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that
I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by
the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the
Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery
or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the
cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage
chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive
and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed
without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does
run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I
sure would like to understand what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso
files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health
of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I
was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage
2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much
info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about
the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial
Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per
sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB
(Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar
7K250 Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x
101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average
Rotational Latency 4.17
ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi
Global Storage Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value
is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value
is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK:
Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK:
Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK:
Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always
passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always
passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it
out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster
drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi
and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you
would like from the Everest program? Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk.
You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable
computer. More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're
using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives &
click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site &
product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the
hard
drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you
might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard
drive, while it still accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
(line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary


Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not
work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two
defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have
had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will
use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is
that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that
belief in defragmentation is
close to a religious belief...

Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me,
per your previous post??

Cheers
Ken K

Anyway, No-

Fraid so.

Oh..OK, if *you* say so

Only fools furiously defrag to do that.

Again-where did the "furiously defrag" come from?
(And how does one defrag that way?)

Wrong, as always.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Completely obsolete.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

Again, you're opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Again, you're opinion again,with no facts to back it up.


Well I guess that everybody else is wrong & you're the only 1 that's got it
right,huh?

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The few extra seeks arent even measurable in that.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.Not a 1-not even a single link
or anything to back up you preposterous claims
..

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. There is no way that any extra seeks can cause a
crash.

Yeah-I guess it's not any extra wear on the hard drive,huh? No chance of head crash
either.

Wrong again, floppys are MUCH slower and so are DVDs/CDs.

Look again-"PART of YOUR COMPUTER"-not removable disks ,as you are so quick to *try*
to stress your erronious agenda!
If someone told you the sky was blue you would argue that it wasn't.

Nice theory, pity that fool wouldnt even be able to pick the difference in a proper
double blind trial.

(woo ooh! he "attempts" to sound like he knows what he's talking about)Oh well,at
least he tried.

But dont have anything viable between your ears to apply to what you have read.

(runs out of any constructive ideas so resorts insults instead)...again.

You need to get out more. There are HORDES of threads
that say just that, trivially findable using groups.google.

Where?? Show something to backup your absurd rhetoric.HORDES? ..yeah right
Still no proof of your claims-nothing,nada(gee,I wonder why)

No point, its been discussed repeatedly endlessly, you're so stupid you havent even
noticed.

Again,you lower yourself to insults,to make you feel better about yourself-So sad.
Guess what? Nothing to back up your claims...still

Its you doing that in spades.

A classic case of "I know you are but what am I"-running out of any defense.

And you were to stupid to even noticed that he had said that already.

Pathetic attempt to hurl insults, again. Feel better?

Yep, even someone as stupid as you should be able to
find countless examples of people saying that they no
longer bother to defrag anymore using groups.google.

I guess if I'm ever going to find the few people that may have that line of misguided
...err...thinking, then I would have to do it myself-You're surely not doing it(again)
Hmm-I wonder why...

It isnt failing, fool.

Again-more childish name calling-really sad.
No-it's failed, in all respects. As Ken said: "sent out to pasture".

You discredit yourself.

"I know you are but what am I" again. What are you-about 12 or 13?

And they can be caused by something as mundane as
a mains failure and dont indicate that the drive is failing.

Yeah, & it can fall out of a moving vehicle or catch fire or get struck by
lightning,etc.

Another pig ignorant lie. Thats done JUST because the system hasnt been shutdown
properly, to check whether the cache hasnt been flushed to the drive properly.

JUST? because the system hasn't been shutdown properly-no other reason huh?
You're showing your limited scope of theories. You really should do your research
before being so quick to chime in.

Wanna bet ?

You would have lost that bet,kid.

And you're so stupid you didnt even notice that he had said that earlier.

Again,nothing constructive so you lower yourself to more insults. Feel better
...ahem..Rod Speed(lol) aka-the all knowing?


You surely are a sad soul.
You get all defensive when someone calls you out on your absurd way of thinking, &
take a radical stance to spew your venom by trying to belittle any that disagree &
hurl insults at them,just because someone doesn't agree with your line of thinking.
Especially when you're trying to give some misguided advice for others to adhere
to,who are seeking constructive advice.
People here are seeking help & when the OP claims that there are problems with their
HDD, you don't go telling them to forget anything that they know about routine hard
drive maintenance.
Do you really think that the majority of sites that recommend that routine
maintenance are all wrong & that you know more than they do? That the major consensus
of knowledgeable people that are promoting this routine maintenance are wrong & that
you're the only one that has it right?
Yet you have no proof to back up your claims. No stats,no links, not even any quotes
to back up your claims. The reasons are quite obvious-there are none-just what's in
your head.
Your "my way or the hiway" attitude diminishes any credibility that one may sense for
you.

Your "take my toys & leave" reaction is so childish & you really need to grow up.
You're not nearly as smart as "you" think you are.
In fact,your unsubstantiated claims make you appear to be nothing more than a troll,
here.

I haven't had contact with you but only 1 day & you've already made it to my
killfile.

<plonk>

 

[Jones]

Gary Brandenburg wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to
run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files,
indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours,
which is a
PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that
long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off
the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent
successful profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to
let it complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow
one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I
HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then
when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not
boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08),
Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM
(tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with
flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not
mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files
for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed
the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in
preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from
the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to
convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the
profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted
because they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat
file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try
to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so
that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by
the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the
Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at
recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the
cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage
chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive
and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed
without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08,
FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does
run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but
I sure would like to understand what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso
files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health
of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I
was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage
2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much
info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about
the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80
(VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision
V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per
track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB
(Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB
ATA Device
Features: SMART Supported Security Mode
Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management
Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area
Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management
Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay
Supported ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar
7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity
250
GB Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x
101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17
ms Rotational Speed 7200
RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757
Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek
1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface
SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150
MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi
Global Storage Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it
out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster
drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi
and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you
would like from the Everest program? Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a
chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable
computer. More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When
you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives &
click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site &
product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools &
run it on the hard
drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to
lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard
drive, while it still accessible.

To stop it from running try here:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the
left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary


Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not
work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two
defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have
had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will
use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is
that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It
seems that belief in defragmentation is
close to a religious belief...
Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your previous post??
Anyway, No-

Fraid so.

Oh..OK, if *you* say so

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Again-where did the "furiously defrag" come from?

From my keyboard, ****wit.

(And how does one defrag that way?)

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, you're opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Again, you're opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

You're lying, as always. The facts were in my original comments, liar.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like opinion, liar.

Well I guess that everybody else is wrong

You aint established that everybody else defrags, liar.

& you're the only 1 that's got it right,huh?

Hordes dont bother to defrag anymore and even someone as stupid as
you should be able to find countless examples of those who dont using
groups.google, liar.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

HE made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

HE gets to provide the evidence that substantiates that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works, ****wit.

Again, your opinion again,with no facts to back it up.

HE made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

HE gets to provide the evidence that substantiates that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works, ****wit.

Not a 1-not even a single link or anything to back up you preposterous claims

HE made that stupid pig ignorant claim.

HE gets to provide the evidence that substantiates that stupid pig ignorant claim.

THATS how it works, ****wit.

Yeah-I guess it's not any extra wear on the hard drive,huh?

Hard drives done die from a few extra seeks, ****wit.

No chance of head crash either.

Extra seeks dont produce head crashes, you stupid pig ignorant ****wit clown.

Look again-"PART of YOUR COMPUTER"-not removable disks ,

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

as you are so quick to *try* to stress your erronious agenda!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

If someone told you the sky was blue you would argue that it wasn't.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

(woo ooh! he "attempts" to sound like he knows what he's talking about)

No point in you even trying to do that, its obvious to everyone that you dont have a ****ing clue.

Oh well,at least he tried.

No point in you even trying to do that, its obvious to everyone that you dont have a ****ing clue.

(runs out of any constructive ideas so resorts insults instead)...again.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Where??

So stupid that it doesnt even know what groups.google is about.

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&

Show something to backup your absurd rhetoric.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_oq=defrag+defragging&scoring=d

HORDES? ..yeah right

600K+ qualifys, child.

Still no proof of your claims-nothing,nada

You're lying, as always.

(gee,I wonder why)

Didnt realise that you are actually so stupid that you dont realise what groups.google is about.

Again,you lower yourself to insults,

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

to make you feel better about yourself-So sad. Guess what? Nothing to back up your claims...still

Everyone can see that you are lying, as always.

A classic case of "I know you are but what am I"-running out of any defense.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Pathetic attempt to hurl insults, again.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Feel better?

Nope, stupid pig ignorant children like you never do that for me, child.

I guess if I'm ever going to find the few people that may have that line of misguided ..err...thinking, then I would
have to do it myself-

Guess again, child.

You're surely not doing it(again) Hmm-I wonder why...

Record's stuck, child.

Again-more childish name calling-really sad.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

No-it's failed, in all respects.

Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.

As Ken said: "sent out to pasture".

Different matter entirely, child.

"I know you are but what am I" again. What are you-about 12 or 13?

Old enough to be your father and quite likely even your grandfather, thanks child.

Yeah, & it can fall out of a moving vehicle or catch fire or get struck by lightning,etc.

Even you should be able to better than that pathetic effort, child.

Yep.

because the system hasn't been shutdown properly-no other reason huh?

Didnt say that, child.

You're showing your limited scope of theories.

We'll see...

You really should do your research before being so quick to chime in.

You're so stupid that you couldnt even manage to work out that he had backups, child.

You would have lost that bet,kid.

You're lying, as always. He said that there isnt a single entry in
the event log that says anything like that, you silly little lying child.

Again,nothing constructive so you lower yourself to more insults.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Feel better ..ahem..Rod Speed(lol) aka-the all knowing?

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

You surely are a sad soul.

Corse that wouldnt be you resorting to insults would it child ?

You get all defensive when someone calls you out on your absurd way of thinking,

Its you that did that, child, as everyone can see for themselves.

& take a radical stance to spew your venom by trying to belittle any that disagree & hurl insults at them,just because
someone doesn't agree with your line of thinking.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Especially when you're trying to give some misguided advice for others to adhere to,who are seeking constructive
advice.

Ken seems pretty happy with the advice I gave thanks, child.

People here are seeking help & when the OP claims that there are problems with their HDD, you don't go telling them to
forget anything that they know about routine hard drive maintenance.

You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever.

Do you really think that the majority of sites that recommend that
routine maintenance are all wrong & that you know more than they do?

I gave you the evidence that defragging is no long necessary, child.

You just ignored that.

That the major consensus of knowledgeable people that are promoting this routine maintenance are wrong & that you're
the only one that has it right?

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and find HORDES of others that no longer bother to defrag anymore, child.

Yet you have no proof to back up your claims.

You're lying, as always, as everyone can see for themselves.

No stats,no links, not even any quotes to back up your claims.

You're lying, as always, as everyone can see for themselves.

The reasons are quite obvious-there are none-just what's in your head.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and find HORDES of others that no longer bother to defrag anymore, child.

Your "my way or the hiway" attitude diminishes any credibility that one may sense for you.

No one gives flying red **** what stupid children that are so stupid that
they couldnt even manage to work out that he has backups 'thinks', child.

Your "take my toys & leave" reaction is so childish

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

& you really need to grow up. You're not nearly as smart as "you" think you are.

Corse that wouldnt be you resorting to insults would it child ?

In fact,your unsubstantiated claims

You're lying, as always, as everyone can see for themselves.

make you appear to be nothing more than a troll, here.

You wouldnt know what a troll was if one bit you on your lard arse, child.

I haven't had contact with you but only 1 day & you've already made it to my killfile.

Well whoopy ****ing do, child.

<plonk>

Fat lot of good that will do you, child.