CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected):how to stop?

[ken]

Win XP Pro SP3+

Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes
with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security
descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification
of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2
hours, which is a PITA. I am not sure how to get around it other than
to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent
successful profile... I am not sure why it does that... I have not
checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of
running chkdsk--both are unchecked.

Is there some way of getting around this?

Thanks
Ken K

 

[Rod Speed]

Win XP Pro SP3+

Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a
PITA.

Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.

There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.

I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent
successful profile...

The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly.

I am not sure why it does that...

Because you havent let it complete.

I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.

Is there some way of getting around this?

Work out why its taking so long and fix that.

Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?

 

[ken]

Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.

There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.


The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly.


Because you havent let it complete.



Work out why its taking so long and fix that.

Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?

Rod,

Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it
run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it
runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If
not, then it will boot correctly.

Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with
memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all
set at default in BIOS, drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage

Thanks
Ken K

 

[Rod Speed]

ken wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let
it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots,
it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.

Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying
colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,

Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.

drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage

Presumably its checking both drives ?

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

ken wrote

Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.

Presumably its checking both drives ?

Presumably the reason for the very long time is because its
somehow decided to do the full scan. What did you defrag with ?

 

[ken]

ken wrote



Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.

That is what I thought...!

Presumably its checking both drives ?

I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. One other little
bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows:
I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this
was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing
drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08.
After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it
for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted
the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not
be deleted because they were corrupted. One was a .gif file and the
other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact,
check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they
could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was
after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just
use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I do
not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few
days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I
mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. (I
have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two
files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so
that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just
continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of
the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that
developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what
happened.... I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film
..iso files...)

 

[ken]

Rod Speed wrote



Presumably the reason for the very long time is because its
somehow decided to do the full scan. What did you defrag with ?

The short (3 stage) scan only takes about 10 minutes. The 5 stage scan
is the long one, now down to about 1 hour after removing all of my temp
files. I use Windows defrag. What do you use for defragging?

 

[Rod Speed]

ken wrote

Rod Speed wrote

The short (3 stage) scan only takes about 10 minutes.

Thats a bit on the higher side for whats presumably the 500MB drive.

The 5 stage scan is the long one,

Yeah, thats normal. It isnt normal to see that done at boot time tho.

now down to about 1 hour after removing all of my temp files.

I use Windows defrag. What do you use for defragging?

I dont defrag anymore. It isnt necessary on modern systems.
The short story is that modern drives seek so fast now that
a few extra seeks with access to long files isnt even visible
anymore and the only long files that are read in their entirety
anymore are media files, particularly video files, and the rate
of access to those is entirely determined by the replay rate.

So defragging is a complete waste of time now except in the sense
that if you're stupid enough to not have full backups, it can make
recovery a bit more viable if the files dont have high write levels.

 

[Rod Speed]

ken wrote

Rod Speed wrote

That is what I thought...!

I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.

And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data
files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in
preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself
that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted
because they were corrupted.

That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for
chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That
was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you
recommend a different one?)

I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got
into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage.

I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily
removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...

Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the
problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened....

Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...)

The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.

 

[ken]

ken wrote



And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?


That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.


I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.


I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181



Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best.


The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.

Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was
using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The
SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided
that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in
my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80
Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M
Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521
cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual
Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x
25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global
Storage Technologies
Product Information
http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981
OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235
OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1
OK: Always passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of
service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any
recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from
recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the
Everest program?

Ken K

 

[Rod Speed]

ken wrote




















And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?


That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.


I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.


I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181



Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of
the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.

Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was
using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The
SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided
that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives
in my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number
VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters
484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual
Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity
238475 MB
ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x
25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global
Storage Technologies
Product Information
http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981
OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235
OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1
OK: Always passing

This one isnt ideal and may have been the reason for the
slower effect, when it was retrying on that particular sector.

C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1
OK: Always passing

It appears to look fine to me.

Yeah, no need to bin the drive. It may eventually reallocate that particular sector.

As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any
recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts.

Just Samsung. I'm not that keen on Hitachi drives, just because
of the history when they were owned by IBM, I didnt like the way
that IBM treated those who did end up with the infamous deathstars.
Corse its not clear how Hitachi would deal with those because they
havent had the same problem with a very bad model.

Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program?

Nar, thats all I meant, and just the last table too.

 

[Gary Brandenburg]

ken wrote


Thats a bit on the higher side for whats presumably the 500MB drive.


Yeah, thats normal. It isnt normal to see that done at boot time tho.



I dont defrag anymore. It isnt necessary on modern systems.
The short story is that modern drives seek so fast now that
a few extra seeks with access to long files isnt even visible
anymore and the only long files that are read in their entirety
anymore are media files, particularly video files, and the rate
of access to those is entirely determined by the replay rate.

So defragging is a complete waste of time now except in the sense
that if you're stupid enough to not have full backups, it can make
recovery a bit more viable if the files dont have high write levels.

Where do you get your information that defragging a hard drive isn't necessary?
That's absurd!
Modern disks do get fragmented & even though some newer drives are faster,(10,000RPM
vs. 7200RPM), seek time is reduced by having a an unfragmented drive.


To the OP:

There are many free defrag programs available.
For a quick defrag try: http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag
(note:you can run it at highest priority in settings, & it runs at full speed)

For an automatic defrag program that runs while the PC is idle (per your settings)
try:
http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html?Str=download
This defrag program can move the most used files to the front, for quicker access.

~Gary

 

[Rod Speed]

Gary Brandenburg wrote

Where do you get your information that defragging a hard drive isn't necessary?

I spelt out the reasons above.

That's absurd!

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there.

Modern disks do get fragmented

Never said they didnt.

& even though some newer drives are faster,(10,000RPM vs. 7200RPM),

The rotation rate is only part of the reason the seek a lot faster than old drives did.

seek time is reduced by having a an unfragmented drive.

But seek time hardly ever matters anymore, as I spelt out above.

It makes bugger all difference when copying large files either,
and if you are doing much of that, it makes a hell of a lot more
sense to stop doing that than it does to furiously defrag the drive.

To the OP:

There are many free defrag programs available.
For a quick defrag try: http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag (note:you can run it
at highest priority in settings, & it runs at full speed)

For an automatic defrag program that runs while the PC is idle (per
your settings) try:
http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html?Str=download
This defrag program can move the most used files to the front, for quicker access.

In practice Win does that itself now and seek times are a trivial part of the total start
time with apps now, because they are so big and because the heads still have to move
to access the associated dlls etc that the exe requires etc. The smaller exes that dont
use any dlls load so fast that an extra seek or two isnt even measurable.

 

[Gary Brandenburg]

ken wrote




















And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?


That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.


I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.


I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181



Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and
hope for the best.


The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.

Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer
500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the
description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post
the info about the other two drives in my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80
Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M
Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads,
63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read
Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global Storage
Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is
normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is
normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always
passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always
passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always
passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is
normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is
normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always
passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always
passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always
passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and
replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you
are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional
info you would like from the Everest program?

Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause
data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in
the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring
up a link for their web site & product updates.
I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.
If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy
that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
(line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary

 

[Rod Speed]

ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote

Win XP Pro SP3+

Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes,
and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage
whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.

Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.

There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.

I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful
profile...

The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let
it complete that properly.

I am not sure why it does that...

Because you havent let it complete.

I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one
the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.

Is there some way of getting around this?

Work out why its taking so long and fix that.

Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?

Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE
let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it
reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into
the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.

Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days
ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,

Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.

That is what I thought...!

drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage

Presumably its checking both drives ?

I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.

And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean
much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for
Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the
slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince
myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles
folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they
were corrupted.

That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for
chkdsk to try to
recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I
could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the
way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows
defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)

I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery
or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the
cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage
chkdsk garbage.

I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and
the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without
problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...

Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run
more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure
would like to understand what happened....

Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso
files...)

The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of
the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.

Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was
using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is
so much info I
decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other
two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number
VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters
484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per
sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer
7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity
238475 MB ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar
7K250 Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6
x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency
4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi
Global Storage Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20,
40 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out
of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to
Hitachi and Samsung
from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like
from the Everest program? Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk.
You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing.

No he doesnt with that particular drive.

When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives &
click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates.

I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.

More fool you. There is no evidence from that SMART report that the drive may be failing.

If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you
might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard
drive, while it still accessible.

He already said that he has proper backups.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left)

He's already said that he has checked that that isnt the problem.

 

[ken]

ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security
descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages,
adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage
whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it
complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of
running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE
let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it
runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen.
If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago
with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as
follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this
was after I had noticed the slowdown and in
preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself
that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but
found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I
did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that
they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after
a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the
Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days
thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of
either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files
that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were
corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly
than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand
what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and
hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.

Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer
500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the
description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post
the info about the other two drives in my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80
Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M
Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads,
63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read
Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global Storage
Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is
normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is
normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always
passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always
passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is
normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always
passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is
normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is
normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always
passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always
passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always
passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and
replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you
are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional
info you would like from the Everest program?

Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause
data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in
the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring
up a link for their web site & product updates.
I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.
If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy
that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
(line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary

Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work.
Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective
sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have had problems
with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will use it for
storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is that I am very
glad that I do backups!

Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close
to a religious belief...

Cheers
Ken K

 

[ken]

Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes,
and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage
whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful
profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let
it complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one
the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE
let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it
reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into
the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days
ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean
much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for
Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the
slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince
myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles
folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they
were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for
chkdsk to try to
recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I
could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the
way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows
defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery
or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the
cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage
chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and
the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without
problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run
more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure
would like to understand what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso
files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of
the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was
using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is
so much info I
decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other
two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number
VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters
484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per
sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer
7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity
238475 MB ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar
7K250 Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6
x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency
4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi
Global Storage Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20,
40 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out
of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to
Hitachi and Samsung
from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like
from the Everest program? Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk.
You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing.

No he doesnt with that particular drive.

When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives &
click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates.

I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.

More fool you. There is no evidence from that SMART report that the drive may be failing.

If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you
might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard
drive, while it still accessible.

He already said that he has proper backups.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left)

He's already said that he has checked that that isnt the problem.

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

Rod,

Thanks for all of the input. See my reply to gary Brandenburg above.
I will replace the drive, as it keeps being seen by the OS as "dirty".
My temporary replacement drive is running quite smoothly and quickly, so
I am very glad that I do backups and have images I can load as needed.

Cheers
Ken K

 

[Gary Brandenburg]

Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security
descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages,
adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage
whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it
complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option
of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE
let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it
runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen.
If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago
with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is
as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so
ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in
preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself
that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but
found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point
I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping
that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That
was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just
use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days
thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above
of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two
files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they
were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly
than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand
what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and
hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a
newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows
the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to
post the info about the other two drives in my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80
Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M
Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16
heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported,
Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global Storage
Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value
is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value
is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always
passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always
passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always
passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always
passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always
passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always
passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service
and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I
know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any
additional info you would like from the Everest program?

Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could
cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest,
in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will
bring up a link for their web site & product updates.
I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.
If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to
copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still
accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
(line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary

Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night
I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the
sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as
"dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The
bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups!

Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a
religious belief...

Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your
previous post??

Cheers
Ken K

Anyway, No-it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running
at it's best. It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives.
See:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/maintain/improveperf.mspx

http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/xp-maintenance-schedule.html

http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-windows-xp-maintenance-tips/

http://www.windowsreference.com/win...tem-performance-with-simple-maintenace-tasks/

http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/Support/Documents/XP_Disk_maint.pdf

<quote>
Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems, like general system slowdowns,
slower startup and shutdowns, and even computer crashes. Basically, your hard drive
is the slowest part of your computer and file fragmentation makes it even slower.
<end quote>


I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years & I've never heard anybody
suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time.
If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting
necessary?".

I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice, but since
you know enough to image your HDD & were already running some maintenance on your PC,
by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better.

There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he
was talking about, concerning this.
After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice, in a response
to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me.

Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors.
Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically.
I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive
failure may be imminent, or something in that order.

It is a good thing that you run backups. It's really troubling when someone loses
everything that they've accumulated over time,by a hard drive failure.
Glad you're back up & running.

~Gary

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes,
and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5
stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5
stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that
long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful
profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to
let it complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow
one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I
HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when
it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot
into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08),
Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2
days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not
mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files
for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed
the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince
myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles
folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because
they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file.
At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try
to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that
I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by
the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the
Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery
or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the
cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage
chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive
and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed
without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does
run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I
sure would like to understand what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff
like that and hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso
files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health
of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I
was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage
2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much
info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about
the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number
VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters
484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB
(Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5
(ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity
238475 MB ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar
7K250 Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x
101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency
4.17
ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi
Global Storage Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it
out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster
drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi
and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you
would like from the Everest program? Ken K

Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk.
You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable
computer. More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're
using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives &
click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site &
product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard
drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you
might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard
drive, while it still accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary

Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not
work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two
defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have
had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will
use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is
that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is
close to a religious belief...

Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me,
per your previous post??

Cheers
Ken K

Anyway, No-

Fraid so.

it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running at it's best.

Only fools furiously defrag to do that.

It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives.

Wrong, as always.

See:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/maintain/improveperf.mspx

Completely obsolete.

http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/xp-maintenance-schedule.html

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-windows-xp-maintenance-tips/

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

http://www.windowsreference.com/win...tem-performance-with-simple-maintenace-tasks/

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/Support/Documents/XP_Disk_maint.pdf

Pig ignorant silly stuff.

<quote>
Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems,

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

like general system slowdowns,

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

slower startup and shutdowns,

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The few extra seeks arent even measurable in that.

and even computer crashes.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. There is no way that any extra seeks can cause a crash.

Basically, your hard drive is the slowest part of your computer

Wrong again, floppys are MUCH slower and so are DVDs/CDs.

and file fragmentation makes it even slower. <end quote>

Nice theory, pity that fool wouldnt even be able to pick the difference in a proper double blind trial.

I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years

But dont have anything viable between your ears to apply to what you have read.

& I've never heard anybody suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time.

You need to get out more. There are HORDES of threads
that say just that, trivially findable using groups.google.

If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting necessary?".

No point, its been discussed repeatedly endlessly, you're so stupid you havent even noticed.

I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice,

Its you doing that in spades.

but since you know enough to image your HDD & were already
running some maintenance on your PC, by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better.

And you were to stupid to even noticed that he had said that already.

There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he was talking about, concerning
this.

Yep, even someone as stupid as you should be able to
find countless examples of people saying that they no
longer bother to defrag anymore using groups.google.

After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice,

It isnt failing, fool.

in a response to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me.

You discredit yourself.

Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors.

And they can be caused by something as mundane as
a mains failure and dont indicate that the drive is failing.

Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically.

Another pig ignorant lie. Thats done JUST because the system hasnt been shutdown
properly, to check whether the cache hasnt been flushed to the drive properly.

I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive failure may be imminent, or something
in that order.

Wanna bet ?

It is a good thing that you run backups.

And you're so stupid you didnt even notice that he had said that earlier.

 

[ken]

Rod Speed wrote:
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Rod Speed wrote
ken wrote
Win XP Pro SP3+
Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run,
sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security
descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages,
adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage
whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA.
Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be.
There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long.
I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the
machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile...
The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it
complete that properly.
I am not sure why it does that...
Because you havent let it complete.
I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option
of running chkdsk--both are unchecked.
Is there some way of getting around this?
Work out why its taking so long and fix that.
Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ?
Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE
let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it
runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen.
If not, then it will boot correctly.
Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel
Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago
with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no
overclocking, all set at default in BIOS,
Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that.
That is what I thought...!
drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage
Presumably its checking both drives ?
I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive.
And thats presumably the 500GB drive ?

One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is
as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so
ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in
preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a
drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the
profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself
that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but
found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted.
That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem.

One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point
I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping
that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That
was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just
use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?)
I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post.

I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days
thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above
of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage.
I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its
that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time.

Post the Everest SMART report for the drives.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

(I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two
files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they
were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW...
Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that
I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly
than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand
what happened....
Its still running chkdsk at boot time ?

I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and
hope for the best.

I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...)
The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive.
Be sure to do that on that drive.
Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a
newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows
the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to
post the info about the other two drives in my system.)

[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID HDS722525VLSA80
Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M
Revision V36OA60A
Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16
heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 488397168
Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported,
Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Hitachi
Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 250 GB
Disks 3
Recording Surfaces 6
Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm
Max. Weight 640 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms
Full Seek 15.1 ms
Interface SATA
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Hitachi Global Storage
Technologies
Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products


[ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value
is normal
02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value
is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always
passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always
passing
0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value
is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always
passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value
is normal
C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always
passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always
passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always
passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always
passing


It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service
and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I
know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any
additional info you would like from the Everest program?

Ken K
Ken-
Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could
cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer.
More info on the subject:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us

Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest,
in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will
bring up a link for their web site & product updates.
I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive.
If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to
copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still
accessible.

To stop it from running try here: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
(line #82 on the left)

Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=result&cd=1&q=chkdsk+runs+at+startup&spell=1

~Gary

Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night
I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the
sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as
"dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The
bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups!

Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a
religious belief...

Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your
previous post??

Hardly! I was commenting on the fact that from my seat it appears that
there are very strong beliefs on both sides of the case for and against
defragmentation. I have never seen a downside to defragmenting disks,
so I have always done so, as it always made sense to do so. I think
that there are a lot more important things to spend energy on than
whether or not one should defragment a hard drive... I should have
stated my comment as follows: It seems that belief in defragmenting or
not defragmenting a disk is close to a religious belief..

Anyway, No-it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running
at it's best. It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives.
See:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/maintain/improveperf.mspx

http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/xp-maintenance-schedule.html

http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-windows-xp-maintenance-tips/

http://www.windowsreference.com/win...tem-performance-with-simple-maintenace-tasks/

http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/Support/Documents/XP_Disk_maint.pdf

<quote>
Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems, like general system slowdowns,
slower startup and shutdowns, and even computer crashes. Basically, your hard drive
is the slowest part of your computer and file fragmentation makes it even slower.
<end quote>


I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years & I've never heard anybody
suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time.
If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting
necessary?".

I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice, but since
you know enough to image your HDD & were already running some maintenance on your PC,
by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better.

There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he
was talking about, concerning this.
After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice, in a response
to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me.

Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors.
Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically.
I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive
failure may be imminent, or something in that order.

I share your concern about bad sectors. And in all of the years and
with all of the hdd's I have had, this situation was unique, which is
why this drive is being sent out to pasture. BTW, I did go into Event
Viewer but the only red error messages referred to the drive being dirty
and scheduled to run chkdsk.

It is a good thing that you run backups. It's really troubling when someone loses
everything that they've accumulated over time,by a hard drive failure.

Yes, I am a titch compulsive. I have my hard drive, my images of my
hdd, and a removable drive with copies of my images. Belt, suspenders,
and more suspenders...

Glad you're back up & running.

Thanks. Ironically, it was Rod, I believe, who originally pointed me in
the direction of Acronis TrueImage many years ago...! While he may not
believe in defragmenting disks, he has a lot of knowledge that has
proven valuable over the years.

Many thanks for your input!
Ken K