Can't shut computer off

[Ken Blake, MVP]

We both like Joplin, Bill.... it's just that you prefer Scott while I
prefer Janis.

This is terrible, terrible! I have to agree with him instead of with
you? ;-)

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In Ken Blake, MVP <[email protected]> typed: []

Not to worry. It happens. But I wish my killfile could
work not just on the From line but also in the body of
the message.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

It can.

May depend on what email client (or external utility or service) is
implementing the killfile.

Yes, it does. And If I remember correctly, even with Agent 6, which I
use, there is an add-in that can be gotten to do this. I looked at it
once, and can't remember why I rejected it, but I did.

And how nice of Twayne, who is killfiled here, to tell me how I can do
a better job of killfiling him. <g>


Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, glee <[email protected]>
writes:
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J.P., this just came up today on a client's Win7 computer that is only
months old: Microsoft 2010 programs would not start at all, only an
error message related to the virtualization handler (CVH.exe) would pop
up. Office Click2Run was installed. Attempting to run either a repair
or an uninstall from Control Panel for either Office itself or for
Click2Run resulted in the same error message. This is a known effect
on Office 2007 and 2010 from running a Registry cleaner. Special
removal tools must be run to uninstall all traces of Office and
Click2Run, and then Office must be reinstalled from scratch, to fix the mess.

It's just another in the long list of issues that have been directly
connected to the use of Registry 'cleaners' over the years.

But the first concrete example that's been given in this thread (-:.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I don't know what you're going on about other than to prove yet again
that you don't know what you are talking about, but I have been posting
with the same posting name of "glee" and my real name in my signature,
and no other, for 15 years in both MSFT and non-MSFT newsgroups, as
well as web forums.

He might not have been talking about you (-:!

(FWIW, I recognise you, and agree you've been using glee with - AFA_I_K
- no attempt at concealment.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, glee <[email protected]>
writes:
[]

effect. You are unable to wrap your mind about any possibility that
your 'cleaner' could have any negative effect.

Conversely, some people seen unable (or at least unwilling) to admit
that they can have any positive effect. Someone here posted a
description of a system where the boot time was reduced from seven to
two minutes; that sounds positive to me.

(FWIW _I_'ve never seen any benefit from running one - other than the
feeling of satisfaction, which I agree is hard to quantify. I've never
seen anything that I can definitely blame on the RC, either, mind.)

 

[glee]

In message <[email protected]>, glee

Conversely, some people seen unable (or at least unwilling) to admit
that they can have any positive effect. Someone here posted a
description of a system where the boot time was reduced from seven to
two minutes; that sounds positive to me.

Twayne made that claim, and I doubt it's true.

 

[Twayne]

....

Twayne made that claim, and I doubt it's true.

That's one of the largest improvements I've ever seen also. But I have
somethnig to tell you:

I hate, abhor and despise liars.
Likewise I never lie by word or by omission or implcation as you and your
cronies are so prone to do.
Charges such as yours often come from those who lie with impunity and lack
of conscience. I used a hand-held stop-watch to make the measurements so
seconds are likely off, plus the pauses to choose an OS and load a Profile
have to be quickly done to minimze their impact on timing, and it took the
requisite 3 boots for the OS to self-arrange things for the best boot times
it can accomplish. A good machine cleaning can work wonders when it's been
ignored for a long, long tiime. Especially when you consider the default
lengths of time an OS will spend looking for something that doesn't exist
any longer. As much as I hate having to wait for a Restart (abt 3 minutes)
it's a necessary evil sometimes.



Whle I'm at it, here's a short tidbit on OSA:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q290144

....
You can use the following command-line switches with OSA.exe:
..-b
This switch starts the Office Shortcut Bar when it is used with the "-l"
switch.*
..-f
This switch opens the Open Office Document dialog box at startup.
..-n
This switch opens the New Office Document dialog box at startup.
..-s
This switch starts the specified screen saver at startup. Note that if there
is no screen saver selected under Display in Control Panel, you receive a
message stating this.
..-o
This switch starts the Office Shortcut Bar.
....

....
*Osa.exe starts the OSB if the following registry setting is present:

Registry Path: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\10.0\Shortcut Bar
Name: AutoStart
Value: 1
Type: DWORD
Registry Path:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\10.0\Osa\Autostart
Name: NotFindFast
Value: 1
Type: DWORD
Typically, when Osa.exe is present in the Startup folder, it has the -b
and -l switches set (Osa.exe -b -l).
....

I now, for the future, have screenshots of the registry entries related to
OSA.exe and the Shortcut bar after uninstallinig it and reinstalling it. Now
all it'll take to get it back is a couple of .reg files.
You can even adjust the size of the shortcut bar in the registry entries,
which I'd forgotten. Location, height and width can all be adjusted there so
if small icons are too small or large you can set it for in between for best
readability.
Oh, and that 'NotFindFast' seems to be an error; there is no such registry
entry but there is one specific to only the shortcut bar. It's working
perfectly after a full registry/memory/disk cleanup.

XP Pro SP3+ & a large load of applications. If I got rid of VB6 it'd boot
even faster than it does. And we've all seen what happens to the
time-to-boot when MS Office is installed. I only have Word 10 now though -
for the things that Libre Office can't do for me.


HTH,

Twayne`

 

[glee]

No, NOTHING get changed, only reorganized / re-ordered.



Uhh, and what do you think; NOTHING in the registry is CHANGED! Every
entry remains identical to what it was. Regardless of HOW it's done,
that is the end result!

It doesn't add or change any

No, it's basc comprehenson actually. The End Result is that no entry
is CHANGED other than its order in the hives.

Your reading comprehension is worse than suspected. I did not state it
CHANGED anything, yet you keep harping on that. I stated, as does the
program's documentation, that it REWRITES the Registry from scratch. I
don't know what you think you are proving by repeatedly YELLING that it
isn't changed.... that has already been known and stated from the
outset. The documentation is clear. It makes no mention or reordering
and reorganizing, it rewrites the original entries from scratch to
remove the slack space. The hives aren't changed, they are rewritten.
The statement can't be more clear.

If you have a book with blank spaces and crossed out entries all through
it, and you hand-copy the book over, but eliminate all the blank spaces
and crossed out entries, you have rewritten it from scratch and those
spaces are gone, yet you haven't changed the actual text. That in
effect is what the utility does with the Registry. If you still can't
understand, get someone to explain the analogy to you.

 

[glee]

...


That's one of the largest improvements I've ever seen also. But I have
somethnig to tell you:

I hate, abhor and despise liars.
Likewise I never lie by word or by omission or implcation as you and
your cronies are so prone to do.
Charges such as yours often come from those who lie with impunity and
lack of conscience. I used a hand-held stop-watch to make the
measurements so seconds are likely off, plus the pauses to choose an
OS and load a Profile have to be quickly done to minimze their impact
on timing, and it took the requisite 3 boots for the OS to
self-arrange things for the best boot times it can accomplish. A good
machine cleaning can work wonders when it's been ignored for a long,
long tiime. Especially when you consider the default lengths of time
an OS will spend looking for something that doesn't exist any longer.
As much as I hate having to wait for a Restart (abt 3 minutes) it's a
necessary evil sometimes.
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I said I doubted your claim was true, I didn't call you a liar. Amazing
that you take statements about a computer personally. Your claim was
that you had a student's computer that, quoting you exactly:

"was over-run with viruses and other malware. It indicated 4,322
Registry errors including ActiveX, Invalid Application Paths, Invald Fle
Extensions, Help File problems, MS Shared Files missing, a lot of
uninstall information missing and so on and so on." (sic)

You stated you ran a Registry cleaner from Norton and all those issues
cleared up, and the boot time decreased dramatically. My doubt is based
on the fact that (1) no computer "over-run with viruses and other
malware" will ever be cleaned and repaired by running a Registry
cleaner.... making your claim ludicrous on the face of it, and (2) if
you actually used other tools not mentioned besides a Registry cleaner
to remove all the malware, that removal is the likely cause for the boot
time improvement, NOT 'cleaning' the Registry.