Can't make specific folders consistently open in Thumbnail

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Flycaster

I need to have JUST My Pictures folder and all its sub folders open as
thumbnails, and all other folders to open in Detail. I have tried all
various combinations within the ToolBar, but the bottom line is that XP
only allows me to open in either Thumbnail or Detail. Here's what I have
done:

1. Overall I have my folders set to open in detail

2. With an image folder selected, View/thumbnails...detail becomes
thumbnail. Great!

3. Then I go to Tools/Folder Options/View/Advanced Settings/as remember
each folder etc is already checked, I uncheck and recheck/Apply/OK.
Thumbnails still showing for this folder, BUT...

4. I now select another folder (which shows details...as expected), and
then go back to the previous folder that was just set to show
thumbnails. But, NO, it has reverted back to thumbnails!

I think that the overall setting of details (folder options/view/apply
to all folders) that made my folders show details keeps resetting my
specific thumbnail settings for my image folders. Of course I could use
this setting as set it to thumbnails and try to reset everything that
isn't an image folder back to details. But I fear that the thumbnail
setting will take precedence, and all folders will now be thumbnail. In
fact, I just tried it and yes, my image folders are now all thumbnails,
BUT so are all my other folders...and they won't hold a switch to details.

Now I'm thinking that to solve my problem will require a registry
change. A change that I have no idea about.

Any other suggestions...or, where did I go wrong?

Thanks,

Adam
 
D

D-Dawg

Flycaster said:
I need to have JUST My Pictures folder and all its sub folders open as
thumbnails, and all other folders to open in Detail. I have tried all
various combinations within the ToolBar, but the bottom line is that XP
only allows me to open in either Thumbnail or Detail. Here's what I have
done:

windows have a quantitative limit of remembering personalised folder
settings.
 
R

R. McCarty

If you have Service Pack 2, the internal tables for remembering
folder views will be increased from 400 up to 5000. Otherwise
after 400 individual settings, Folder views will start rolling over
and revert to XP defaults.

For what you are trying to do, the best solution is.
1. Using Windows Explorer Pick any Folder - Click View,
Set to Details
2. Click Tools, Folder Options, View (Tab) and then click the
option box "Apply to all Folders"
3. Log off and back into your account.
4. Open your Picture folders and set the view to "Thumbnails"
You'll have to do this to all sub-folders as the view won't
automatically apply to child folders.
Now your baseline view is Details for all folders, except the ones
you explicitly change.
 
F

Flycaster

R. McCarty said:
If you have Service Pack 2, the internal tables for remembering
folder views will be increased from 400 up to 5000. Otherwise
after 400 individual settings, Folder views will start rolling over
and revert to XP defaults.

For what you are trying to do, the best solution is.
1. Using Windows Explorer Pick any Folder - Click View,
Set to Details
2. Click Tools, Folder Options, View (Tab) and then click the
option box "Apply to all Folders"
3. Log off and back into your account.
4. Open your Picture folders and set the view to "Thumbnails"
You'll have to do this to all sub-folders as the view won't
automatically apply to child folders.
Now your baseline view is Details for all folders, except the ones
you explicitly change.
Thanks, D-D, I'll try your suggestion. However, I also ask: I really
don't know how many folders I have, but assuming that in tot I have more
than 400, after setting all my image folders to thumbnail, what are the
chances that they will hold that setting (ie, will they revert back to
details)? Haven't gotten SP2 as I'm not sure what it may do to my stuff.

If you have Service Pack 2, the internal tables for remembering
folder views will be increased from 400 up to 5000. Otherwise
after 400 individual settings, Folder views will start rolling over
and revert to XP defaults.

For what you are trying to do, the best solution is.
1. Using Windows Explorer Pick any Folder - Click View,
Set to Details
2. Click Tools, Folder Options, View (Tab) and then click the
option box "Apply to all Folders"
3. Log off and back into your account.
4. Open your Picture folders and set the view to "Thumbnails"
You'll have to do this to all sub-folders as the view won't
automatically apply to child folders.
Now your baseline view is Details for all folders, except the ones
you explicitly change.
 
D

David Candy

The store may be corrupt. Type regedit in Start Run and delete all these keys. Then read the last section carefully (Apply to All).

Delete these keys or values from the registry. This will reset many things like saved folder settings.
Type Regedit in Start - Run
Click Start - Turn Off Computer (or maybe Shutdown) - Ctrl + Alt + Shift + click Cancel (or Close) (your Desktop and Start Menu now disappear). This is a clean shutdown unlike using Task Manager.


In Regedit navigate to each of these keys and delete them
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer and delete the value
Shellstate

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CabinetState and delete the value
Settings

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Streams
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\StreamsMRU (may not exist)
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\BagMRU
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\Bags
[the above one is what reset deletes, 90% of the time it is sufficient but 10% of the time the BagMRU needs to be deleted too. If you know what cross linked files are the same thing is happening here - the BagMRU point to the wrong Bag or serveral BagMRU point to the same bag]



Then in Task Manager, File - Run type explorer. (Start menu and Desktop come back).

You then need to reconfigure explorer and the desktop.

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Understanding Saved Views and Browsing Folders
In Windows 2000 Professional, the view you use is not always permanently saved in Windows Explorer. You can control whether the views you use are saved permanently or temporarily by using the Remember each folder's view settings check box on the View tab of the Folder Options dialog box (see figure 9.3).

By default the Remember each folder's view settings option is enabled. When you choose to leave this setting enabled, the following happens:

a.. The changes you make to a folder's view is automatically saved when you close the folder.
b.. The view you use to view one folder is not applied to other folders.
c.. When you open a folder, it opens in the view you used when you last viewed it.
When you clear the check box for Remember each folder's view settings, the following happens:

a.. When you start Windows Explorer, the first folder you view displays in the folder's saved view. Windows Explorer holds that view in temporary memory and applies it to all the folders that you visit while Windows Explorer remains open unless you manually alter the view.
b.. As you browse to other folders (after the initial folder is opened), the saved view for each folder is ignored, and when you quit Windows Explorer, the folder view that you have been using to view multiple folders is deleted from temporary memory.
c.. The next time you open Windows Explorer, once again, it is the saved view of the first folder you open that determines how you view multiple folders.
Setting All Folders to the Same View
Some users want to have all their Windows Explorer folders set to the same view. In Windows 2000 Professional, the default setting is that any change made to a folder's view is automatically saved when you close the folder and is not applied to other folders. However, you can set all folders to the same view by using the Folder Options command as described in the following procedure.

To set all folders to the same view
1.. In My Computer or Windows Explorer, set the view to your preference.
2.. On the Tools menu, click Folder Options.
3.. In the Folder Options dialog box, click the View tab.
4.. Under Folder Views, click Like Current Folder.
Important The Remember each folder's view settings check box on the View tab of the Folder Options dialog box (see Figure 9.3) affects how the view settings of individual folders are applied and saved. For more information about the impact of clearing this check box, see "Understanding Saved Views and Browsing Folders" earlier in this chapter.

Windows 2000 Resource Kit

==========================================================================

And check

NoSaveSettings
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer
Data type Range Default value
REG_DWORD 0 | 1 0

Description
Prevents users from saving certain changes to the
desktop. Users can change the desktop, but some changes,
such as the positions of open windows and the size and
position of the taskbar, are not saved when users log
off. Shortcuts placed on the desktop are always saved.

This entry stores the setting of the Don't save settings
at exit Group Policy. Group Policy adds this entry to the
registry with a value of 1 when you enable the policy. If
you disable the policy or set it to Not configured, Group
Policy deletes the entry from the registry and the system
behaves as though the value is 0.

Value Meaning
0 (or not in registry) The policy is disabled or
not configured. Changes to the desktop are saved.
1 The policy is enabled. Some changes to the desktop are not saved.

Windows 2000 Resource Kit Reference

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Saved folder settings are stored in BagMRU. Defaults and network/removable drives are stored in Streams key (as everything was in earlier versions).

You have to do Apply To All while in a file folder.
For each type of object (File Folder, Control Panel, My Computer, etc) that you do an Apply to All in it's clsid and the settings are created/updated at
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Streams\Defaults

{F3364BA0-65B9-11CE-A9BA-00AA004AE837} is ordinary folders, and other numbers are what ever they are (My Comp, Control Panel, etc - note My Docs is an ordinary folder). They only appear IF you do an apply to all in that type of object.

as well as a higher set of defaults at
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Streams
Settings=

So the point being in the order that you do things. You want to do your overall default setting last. This is how I advised someone who asked
Can someone please tell me how to force Windows to keep
the seperate folder view settings I choose? I have
checked and rechecked the box in folder options for it to
remember, but it has no memory for that issue. To be more
specific; I want to always have the thumbnail view in My
Pictures and also in the Control Panel Dialog, but every
time I open them I have to manually set that view.


Set Control Panel how you want then Tools - View - Apply To All Folders. This sets the global default and the Control Panel type of objects defaults (but the system default remains the same - it can't be changed but all other defaults/settings override it). Then go to an ordinary folder (as My Pics is for this feature) and set it how you want all folders but CP. Then Tools - View - Apply To All Folders. This sets the global default and the file folder type of object defaults (CP's default settings will still override the global). Then set My Pics how you want it and do nothing else as we are saving it by the checkbox Remember Folder Settings AND BY THE PATH WE GOT THERE. EG

Desktop\My Comp\C:\Documents & Settings\user name\My Docs\My Pics
is a different setting to
Desktop\My Comp\My Docs\My Pics

There is some searching for similar settings but the path used, if too different, means it won't find the settings for similar named folders.

The system defaults (and saved settings for individual folders already opened) are the only setting unless you've done an Apply To All, eg no global or type defaults.



Plus if you hold down control and click close while in a file folder it also updates
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer
Shellstate=

This is mainly setting irrelevent things except it holds the global sort, which all the others override. But File Open dialog boxes only use this setting, so it basically only affects sorting in File Open dialogs. But it seems that sometimes an earlier windows versions setting get written here and other settings then aren't saved
 
F

Flycaster

Flycaster said:
I need to have JUST My Pictures folder and all its sub folders open as
thumbnails, and all other folders to open in Detail. I have tried all
various combinations within the ToolBar, but the bottom line is that
XP only allows me to open in either Thumbnail or Detail. Here's what I
have done:

1. Overall I have my folders set to open in detail

2. With an image folder selected, View/thumbnails...detail becomes
thumbnail. Great!

3. Then I go to Tools/Folder Options/View/Advanced Settings/as
remember each folder etc is already checked, I uncheck and
recheck/Apply/OK. Thumbnails still showing for this folder, BUT...

4. I now select another folder (which shows details...as expected),
and then go back to the previous folder that was just set to show
thumbnails. But, NO, it has reverted back to thumbnails!

I think that the overall setting of details (folder options/view/apply
to all folders) that made my folders show details keeps resetting my
specific thumbnail settings for my image folders. Of course I could
use this setting as set it to thumbnails and try to reset everything
that isn't an image folder back to details. But I fear that the
thumbnail setting will take precedence, and all folders will now be
thumbnail. In fact, I just tried it and yes, my image folders are now
all thumbnails, BUT so are all my other folders...and they won't hold
a switch to details.

Now I'm thinking that to solve my problem will require a registry
change. A change that I have no idea about.

Any other suggestions...or, where did I go wrong?

Thanks,

Adam

Worked. Also learned that using Tweak.UI will allow me to set up to
5000 folders the way I want.
 
A

Alex Nichol

Flycaster said:
I need to have JUST My Pictures folder and all its sub folders open as
thumbnails, and all other folders to open in Detail. I have tried all
various combinations within the ToolBar, but the bottom line is that XP
only allows me to open in either Thumbnail or Detail. Here's what I have
done:

You can only have one setting (Details probably) as default; you then
have to set the view needed specifically for *every* folder that you
need different, individually. There is no provision for setting My Pics
and all its sub-folders. Also check that in Tools - Folder Options -
View you have 'Remember each folders view settings' checked. Prior to
SP2 the number of folder settings it could remember was too limited:
Kelly has a fix at
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 2 , left, 'Increase Folder View. . . .'
 

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