Canon won't disclose...

[measekite]

Canon doesn't disclose? . . . Well, it certainly doesn't. Measekite
knows better than to call them ...

incorrect. go to their website and look at the pics. on the cart is
says canon.

 

[TJ]

it certainly does. to get the best results, longevity, and best balance
of printer maintenance pcworld recommends oem ink and i found that to be
true

I'm curious about the procedure you used to reach that conclusion. The
only valid way would be for you, personally, to use a significant amount
of aftermarket and OEM inks for a while, with the same printer, and
compare the results. I doubt that you have done that. Have you ever used
ANY aftermarket ink? If not, you're just taking the word of ink
relablers (Canon, Epson, HP, Lexmark), all of whom have a vested
interest in discouraging you from using anything but OEM. The PC World
article is outdated and should be discarded. Cite something more recent
and I'll be happy to take a look.

TJ

 

[TJ]

canon did improve their ink and the letters bci were replaced with cli
in the part number. you see most of the time when a real company makes
a significant change in their product they have a new part number. some
of this is mandated and some is policy.

Hmmm...Let's say that a "real" company...pick one - HP - develops a new
ink that is perfectly waterproof and will last 500 years. They decide to
call the new formulation "Ultimate" ink. By your statement above, HP
will have to renumber the entire cartridge line if they are to use the
new ink in their existing printer base. They wouldn't, for example, just
relabel the old cart boxes to say something like, "New! Improved! NOW
with ULTIMATE ink!"

Get real, Measekite. Companies go the "new, improved" route all the
time. Sometimes they do it when no real improvement has been made.

TJ

 

[Bob Headrick]

Have you ever used ANY aftermarket ink? If not, you're just taking
the word of ink relablers (Canon, Epson, HP, Lexmark), all of whom
have a vested

To suggest that the major printer manufacturers are nothing more than
"ink relabelers" indicates that you are either severely uninformed or
deliberately trying to mislead. Which is it?

- Bob Headrick

 

[Taliesyn]

like i said canon controls the formulation and quality control and that
what provides for a consistent product.

Pulling off a "Bob Headrick?"

I see you speak for your employer. One would only know this insider
information if one were a paid company employee. Thank you for admitting
your interest (raison d'etre) here in this group.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

i send hallmark because i care enough to send the very best

Translation: he couldn't create anything with a desktop publishing
program if his life depended on it.

it certainly does. to get the best results, longevity, and best balance
of printer maintenance pcworld recommends oem ink and i found that to be
true

Liar, you have NOT "found that out to be true." You've never used
aftermarket inks in your life. "Liar, liar pants on fire." Your own
words coming back to haunt you.

So who is your employer again - Canon or PCWorld? You sound confused at
times.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

incorrect. go to their website and look at the pics. on the cart is
says canon.

Canon relabels ink carts made by someone else. Where have I seen that
before? Have you called them yet . . . we're all waiting ;-).

-Taliesyn

 

[zakezuke]

when da printer is on sale is cost $80.00 plus sales tax and there is
not shipping

Ah, you are quoting frys again. You need to work on your reading
skills. Buy.com has the printer for $77.99 free shipping.

Which is less?

$80 + Tax
-or-
$77.99 + nothing

Which is better?

$80 + tax at a place with a limited amount of stores
-or-
$77.99 + nothing from a mailorder place.

 

[Hendo]

measekite is correct anti-competition, no choice, no freedom of
association, is the AMERICAN WAY.

Bow down to the OEM. They control your life.

 

[measekite]

Canon relabels ink carts made by someone else. Where have I seen that
before? Have you called them yet . . . we're all waiting ;-).

now when will you graduate.

 

[measekite]

Translation: he couldn't create anything with a desktop publishing
program if his life depended on it.

Translation: i can afford oem ink and i care to send the very best and
not waste my time.

Liar, you have NOT "found that out to be true." You've never used
aftermarket inks in your life. "Liar, liar pants on fire." Your own
words coming back to haunt you.

So who is your employer again - Canon or PCWorld? You sound confused
at times.

mornings or afternoon. maybe i own canon

 

[measekite]

Pulling off a "Bob Headrick?"

I see you speak for your employer. One would only know this insider
information if one were a paid company employee. Thank you for admitting
your interest (raison d'etre) here in this group.

 

[measekite]

To suggest that the major printer manufacturers are nothing more than
"ink relabelers" indicates that you are either severely uninformed or
deliberately trying to mislead. Which is it?

- Bob Headrick

this is typical of all of the church memebers. most cannot afford the
good stuff until they clog a printhead or two. the least risk of using
the generic ink is with the hp printers that use integrated carts.
other than occassionally ruining your printer with leaky carts they just
throw away the bad clogged cart that should have been thrown away anyway
and then go buy a real hp cart and the printer jumps back to life.

personally i prefer canon with oem ink for photos and for other
documents when i need special paper handling and i prefer MY HP printer
for most other business documents since the results of those text and
graphics documents are a little better even though canon is acceptable
in that regard also.

 

[measekite]

Hmmm...Let's say that a "real" company...pick one - HP - develops a
new ink that is perfectly waterproof and will last 500 years.

hmmmm if it only lasts 400 years i think you should sue them

They decide to call the new formulation "Ultimate" ink. By your
statement above, HP will have to renumber the entire cartridge line if
they are to use the new ink in their existing printer base. They
wouldn't, for example, just relabel the old cart boxes to say
something like, "New! Improved! NOW with ULTIMATE ink!"

Get real, Measekite. Companies go the "new, improved" route all the
time. Sometimes they do it when no real improvement has been made.

these are reputable companies not the relabelers that you favorites with
some of the misinformed

 

[measekite]

if you think that canon, hp and epson are ink relabers and do not llike
them (apparent) i think that you should not use any printers made by them.

 

[TJ]

To suggest that the major printer manufacturers are nothing more than
"ink relabelers" indicates that you are either severely uninformed or
deliberately trying to mislead. Which is it?

- Bob Headrick

Severely uninformed and cynical. So how many of the major manufacturers
actually DO make their own ink? And how many farm it out to others?

TJ

 

[Bob Headrick]

Bob Headrick wrote:

Severely uninformed and cynical.

Of the two choices that is the preferred one .

So how many of the major manufacturers actually DO make their own ink?
And how many farm it out to others?

I do not know how many *manufacture* their own ink, but I suspect they
all *design* their own ink. Of Epson, Canon, HP and Lexmark I am
certain that this is the case for at least half of them.

- Bob Headrick

 

[Gary Tait]

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S IN IT THAT COSTS SO MUCH
that others can sell a quart for the same price that Canon sells a
spoonful. Okay, a tablespoon.

Whell, it has been at least postulated (perhaps admitted), that certain
preservative agents (anti mould/bactierials I think) in OEM ink, ar omitted
in aftermarket ink in the matter of economy.

Outside of that there probably is nothing special about the composition
itself, just the buisness model the ink and printer are sold under keeps
the printer cheap and the ink expensive.

 

[measekite]

Whell, it has been at least postulated (perhaps admitted), that certain
preservative agents (anti mould/bactierials I think) in OEM ink, ar omitted
in aftermarket ink in the matter of economy.

they always cut corners

 

[Taliesyn]

Whell, it has been at least postulated (perhaps admitted), that certain
preservative agents (anti mould/bactierials I think) in OEM ink, ar omitted
in aftermarket ink in the matter of economy.

Outside of that there probably is nothing special about the composition
itself, just the buisness model the ink and printer are sold under keeps
the printer cheap and the ink expensive.

HobbiColors discloses the following information on their website:

_____________________________________________________________________

Our WC-6 is one of our dye based refill ink products formulated for
thermo bubblejet printhead based inkjet printers. WC-6 inks are
specifically made to match against Canon's BCI-6 line of inkjet
cartridges. WC-6 inks contain colors of black, cyan, magenta, yellow,
photo cyan and photo magenta and are fully compatible with Canon
BCI-6BK, BCI-6C, BCI-6M, BCI-6Y, BCI-6PC and PCI-6PM inks.

"WC-6 Features: WC-6 inks contain the following advanced feature:

*Latest generation colorants for maximum color purity, vibrancy and wide
gamut to achieve optimal inkjet photo printing performance

*Rapid lubricant additive for cleaning printhead orifices to reduce
residual dye accumulation

*Ink volatility enhancer to speed up ink drying time to increase edge
sharpness

*Advanced additives of solubilizing agent, surfactant and penetrant

*Anti-evaporation additive (humectant) to inhibit ink volatilization and
prevent printhead clogging

*Anti-filtration additive to render reliably the vibrancy of the three
primary colors

*Precision spectral matching technology

*Biocide additive to prevent bacteria growing

WC-6 inks are very high quality inkjet inks specifically formulated for
very wide color gamut aimed at inkjet photo printing applications."

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


So what's in Canon's ink . . . ?

-Taliesyn