Disappointing results from Hobbicolors.....need advice in printer setting.

[theory4debate]

I finally found somebody who actually took my advise and purchased the
Hobbicolor ink. The results were disappointing. However, I need help
with some advice as in printer setting that maybe I don't know about.
The main problem appears to be people with black hair. Most of the
pictures that came out, the person appeared to have grey hair.

(BTW - I don't mean to put down Hobbicolors. Actually the whole
process of refilling was very easy. No leaks, no spills, and just
very simple. The person told me that Hobbicolors has excellent
customer service and they seem very professional. The person even
recommends Hobbicolors to other because of the money saved compared to
OEM. This letter is just seeking OEM results.)

This is how the test was done.....

The test was done on a Canon i960, 6 color photo printer and OEM Canon
4x6 paper. The test compared the Canon OEM ink (installed colors
included:BCI-6 BK,C,M,Y,PC, and PM) vs. 6 virgin cartridge that were
filled with ink from Hobbicolors.

Steps done in performing test.

1. Printed 3 pictures with Canon OEM ink on Canon OEM paper.
2. Changed all 6 inks cartridges with Hobbicolors virgin filled ink
cartridges.
3. Ran cleaning mode, printed 2 test pages, printed 1 extra photo that
was not used in this test.
4. Printed 3 pictures with after-market ink on Canon OEM paper.

I showed the pictures to two people. I first showed the after-market
ink pictures. They thought the pictures were good quality. Then I
showed the OEM ink picture to them to compare. They thought the OEM
ink was excellent quality and there was an obvious difference.

The best example I could give would be similar to a person who watched
television on a top-of-the line Sony television without HDTV and said
the picture is great. Then the same person watches HDTV on a Plasma
for the first time and decides that his Sony television sucks.

I know people on www.nifty-stuff.com are claiming OEM results. Am I
doing something wrong? Can somebody please offer suggestions as in
setting the printer to get the OEM results.

Stan

 

[measekite]

[email protected] wrote:

I finally found somebody who actually took my advise and purchased the Hobbicolor ink. The results were disappointing.


That means the posters that rave about them must be either lying or have some association with it.


However, I need help with some advice as in printer setting that maybe I don't know about. The main problem appears to be people with black hair. Most of the pictures that came out, the person appeared to have grey hair.


If they are selling old ink then that can explain it.  Senior ink produces Senior Citizens.


(BTW - I don't mean to put down Hobbicolors. Actually the whole process of refilling was very easy. No leaks, no spills, and just very simple. The person told me that Hobbicolors has excellent customer service and they seem very professional. The person even recommends Hobbicolors to other because of the money saved compared to OEM. This letter is just seeking OEM results.) This is how the test was done..... The test was done on a Canon i960, 6 color photo printer and OEM Canon 4x6 paper. The test compared the Canon OEM ink (installed colors included:BCI-6 BK,C,M,Y,PC, and PM) vs. 6 virgin cartridge that were filled with ink from Hobbicolors. Steps done in performing test. 1. Printed 3 pictures with Canon OEM ink on Canon OEM paper. 2. Changed all 6 inks cartridges with Hobbicolors virgin filled ink cartridges. 3. Ran cleaning mode, printed 2 test pages, printed 1 extra photo that was not used in this test. 4. Printed 3 pictures with after-market ink on Canon OEM paper. I showed the pictures to two people. I first showed the after-market ink pictures. They thought the pictures were good quality. Then I showed the OEM ink picture to them to compare. They thought the OEM ink was excellent quality and there was an obvious difference.


Of course and the OEM photos will last much longer without fading.


The best example I could give would be similar to a person who watched television on a top-of-the line Sony television without HDTV and said the picture is great. Then the same person watches HDTV on a Plasma for the first time and decides that his Sony television sucks.


You got it. 


I know people on www.nifty-stuff.com are claiming OEM results.


Those are a cult and remember the there is a difference between actuality and a claim


Am I doing something wrong?

You did things the right way.  So get rid of the inferior ink and use OEM Canon ink.


Can somebody please offer suggestions as in setting the printer to get the OEM results. Stan

 

[Frank]

That means the posters that rave about them must be either lying or have
some association with it.


If they are selling old ink then that can explain it. Senior ink
produces Senior Citizens.


Of course and the OEM photos will last much longer without fading.


You got it.


Those are a cult and remember the there is a difference between
actuality and a claim

You did things the right way. So get rid of the inferior ink and use
OEM Canon ink.

hehehehe...talking to yourself again?
Frank

 

[Michael Johnson]

hehehehe...talking to yourself again?

Evidently, since the only post I see in this thread so far is yours. My
kill file is quite large for this group nowadays.

 

[Burt]

I finally found somebody who actually took my advise and purchased the
Hobbicolor ink. The results were disappointing. However, I need help
with some advice as in printer setting that maybe I don't know about.
The main problem appears to be people with black hair. Most of the
pictures that came out, the person appeared to have grey hair.

(BTW - I don't mean to put down Hobbicolors. Actually the whole
process of refilling was very easy. No leaks, no spills, and just
very simple. The person told me that Hobbicolors has excellent
customer service and they seem very professional. The person even
recommends Hobbicolors to other because of the money saved compared to
OEM. This letter is just seeking OEM results.)

This is how the test was done.....

The test was done on a Canon i960, 6 color photo printer and OEM Canon
4x6 paper. The test compared the Canon OEM ink (installed colors
included:BCI-6 BK,C,M,Y,PC, and PM) vs. 6 virgin cartridge that were
filled with ink from Hobbicolors.

Steps done in performing test.

1. Printed 3 pictures with Canon OEM ink on Canon OEM paper.
2. Changed all 6 inks cartridges with Hobbicolors virgin filled ink
cartridges.
3. Ran cleaning mode, printed 2 test pages, printed 1 extra photo that
was not used in this test.
4. Printed 3 pictures with after-market ink on Canon OEM paper.

I showed the pictures to two people. I first showed the after-market
ink pictures. They thought the pictures were good quality. Then I
showed the OEM ink picture to them to compare. They thought the OEM
ink was excellent quality and there was an obvious difference.

The best example I could give would be similar to a person who watched
television on a top-of-the line Sony television without HDTV and said
the picture is great. Then the same person watches HDTV on a Plasma
for the first time and decides that his Sony television sucks.

I know people on www.nifty-stuff.com are claiming OEM results. Am I
doing something wrong? Can somebody please offer suggestions as in
setting the printer to get the OEM results.

Stan

All ink sets vary somewhat from one to the other. I use MIS inks in an
i960. I set the color to manual, click "set", ICM off, and print type
"auto". The prints come out extremely close to what I see on the screen. I
actually like my prints with MIS better than Canon OEM as the Canon inks
tend to produce oversaturated prints. A friend uses Hobicolors in an ip5000
and gets beautiful prints. They may not look exactly like OEM, but he likes
them just as well. Another friend uses Formulabs inks in his Canon i9900
(eight color.) He as done a custom profile and gets excellent results.
Remember that the profiles inthe Canon software are for their inks set.

On my wife's ip5000 with MIS inks I tried the Canon easyprint program as it
would be simpler for her to use than Photoshop. It produced lousy prints.
I then printed the same pix out of photoshop and got beautiful prints.

The bottom line? lots of variables. You have to play with it to get the
right combinations of paper, ink, software, etc. Of course, our
ever-present troll will now chime in to tell us that Canon has already
matched up all these variables, but my response is that, once I hit the
right settings, I get prints that are as good as Canon OEM inks. AND ---
at one tenth the cost.

 

[theory4debate]

All ink sets vary somewhat from one to the other. I use MIS inks in an
i960. I set the color to manual, click "set", ICM off, and print type
"auto". The prints come out extremely close to what I see on the screen. I
actually like my prints with MIS better than Canon OEM as the Canon inks
tend to produce oversaturated prints. A friend uses Hobicolors in an ip5000
and gets beautiful prints. They may not look exactly like OEM, but he likes
them just as well. Another friend uses Formulabs inks in his Canon i9900
(eight color.) He as done a custom profile and gets excellent results.
Remember that the profiles inthe Canon software are for their inks set.

On my wife's ip5000 with MIS inks I tried the Canon easyprint program as it
would be simpler for her to use than Photoshop. It produced lousy prints.
I then printed the same pix out of photoshop and got beautiful prints.

The bottom line? lots of variables. You have to play with it to get the
right combinations of paper, ink, software, etc. Of course, our
ever-present troll will now chime in to tell us that Canon has already
matched up all these variables, but my response is that, once I hit the
right settings, I get prints that are as good as Canon OEM inks. AND ---
at one tenth the cost.

Burt,

thanks for the info. So the printer program matter? I believe we
were using picassa from Google. Hmmmmm.... That a thought. I will
try another program. I guess if it doesn't work then I will just
recommend MIS in the future. I remember in your previous post, you
recommended three companies. The reason I recommended Hobbicolors was
because hobbicolors had the best price, and they included virgin
cartridges.

Thanks,
Stan

 

[theory4debate]

Frank,
I'm glad you reading. As stated..... the Hobbicolors was pretty good
with the exception of the color of the hair. The pictures that were
taken were of Asian teenagers. Asians tend to have black hair. Do
you know if there is any printer adjustment. Burt stated to try
another program. However, I wanted your opinion. I know that you
have been using them with a lot of success.


thanks,

stan

 

[theory4debate]

Evidently, since the only post I see in this thread so far is yours. My
kill file is quite large for this group nowadays.

Michael Johnson,
this really is a sincere question.

Stan

 

[Roy G]

The reason I recommended Hobbicolors was

because hobbicolors had the best price, and they included virgin
cartridges.

Thanks,
Stan

Hi.

It seems rather strange that you would recommend a 3rd party ink set,
without ever having used it. You have now used it and are not too happy
with the results.

In order to get accurate colours for photos, you really do need to
understand and apply Colour Management.

Your printer driver will have, and use, built in ICC Profiles, depending on
what settings you make. Those Profiles will be for Canon Ink onto Canon
Paper, so they will not be accurate for any other kind of ink or paper.

You will now need to get a Profile made for your current Ink Set and Paper
combination. There are a number of companies which can do this for you at a
reasonable cost.

Once you have done that you should get accurate colours and density,
provided you print using a Colour Management aware Program like PS, and
select the correct Profile for it to use.

Roy G

 

[Branwynn]

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Michael Johnson,
this really is a sincere question.

You spammed this newsgroup with pure garbage earlier!

There's never been anything "sincere" about you. You're just a regular
troll under an alias name. Stop wastin' everyone's time here. No one
with half a brain will respond to you!

 

[Todd Vargo]

You spammed this newsgroup with pure garbage earlier!

There's never been anything "sincere" about you. You're just a regular
troll under an alias name. Stop wastin' everyone's time here. No one
with half a brain will respond to you!

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[measekite]

Burt,

thanks for the info. So the printer program matter? I believe we
were using picassa from Google. Hmmmmm.... That a thought. I will
try another program. I guess if it doesn't work then I will just
recommend MIS

They will not tell you who the mfg/formulator is either. Besides you do
not know is their pigmented ink is pigmented.

 

[measekite]

Roy G wrote:

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...



On Jul 28, 6:21 pm, "Burt" <[email protected]> wrote:



<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...



The reason I recommended Hobbicolors was



because hobbicolors had the best price, and they included virgin cartridges. Thanks, Stan



Hi. It seems rather strange that you would recommend a 3rd party ink set, without ever having used it. You have now used it and are not too happy with the results. In order to get accurate colours for photos, you really do need to understand and apply Colour Management. Your printer driver will have, and use, built in ICC Profiles, depending on what settings you make. Those Profiles will be for Canon Ink onto Canon Paper, so they will not be accurate for any other kind of ink or paper. You will now need to get a Profile made for your current Ink Set and Paper combination.


Without paying mucho for a custome color profile you need to know who the mfg/formulator (brand) you are using so since they will ot tell you than you are out of luck.


There are a number of companies which can do this for you at a reasonable cost. Once you have done that you should get accurate colours and density, provided you print using a Colour Management aware Program like PS, and select the correct Profile for it to use. Roy G

 

[measekite]

Branwynn wrote:

[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:



On Jul 28, 3:28 pm, Michael Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:



Frank wrote:



measekite wrote:



[email protected] wrote:



I finally found somebody who actually took my advise and purchased the Hobbicolor ink. The results were disappointing.



That means the posters that rave about them must be either lying or have some association with it.



However, I need help with some advice as in printer setting that maybe I don't know about. The main problem appears to be people with black hair. Most of the pictures that came out, the person appeared to have grey hair.



If they are selling old ink then that can explain it. Senior ink produces Senior Citizens.



(BTW - I don't mean to put down Hobbicolors. Actually the whole process of refilling was very easy. No leaks, no spills, and just very simple. The person told me that Hobbicolors has excellent customer service and they seem very professional. The person even recommends Hobbicolors to other because of the money saved compared to OEM. This letter is just seeking OEM results.)



This is how the test was done.....



The test was done on a Canon i960, 6 color photo printer and OEM Canon 4x6 paper. The test compared the Canon OEM ink (installed colors included:BCI-6 BK,C,M,Y,PC, and PM) vs. 6 virgin cartridge that were filled with ink from Hobbicolors.



Steps done in performing test.



1. Printed 3 pictures with Canon OEM ink on Canon OEM paper. 2. Changed all 6 inks cartridges with Hobbicolors virgin filled ink cartridges. 3. Ran cleaning mode, printed 2 test pages, printed 1 extra photo that was not used in this test. 4. Printed 3 pictures with after-market ink on Canon OEM paper.



I showed the pictures to two people. I first showed the after-market ink pictures. They thought the pictures were good quality. Then I showed the OEM ink picture to them to compare. They thought the OEM ink was excellent quality and there was an obvious difference.



Of course and the OEM photos will last much longer without fading.



The best example I could give would be similar to a person who watched television on a top-of-the line Sony television without HDTV and said the picture is great. Then the same person watches HDTV on a Plasma for the first time and decides that his Sony television sucks.



You got it.



I know people onwww.nifty-stuff.comare claiming OEM results.



Those are a cult and remember the there is a difference between actuality and a claim



Am I doing something wrong?



You did things the right way. So get rid of the inferior ink and use OEM Canon ink.



Can somebody please offer suggestions as in setting the printer to get the OEM results.



Stan



hehehehe...talking to yourself again?



Evidently, since the only post I see in this thread so far is yours. My kill file is quite large for this group nowadays.



Michael Johnson, this really is a sincere question.



You spammed this newsgroup with pure garbage earlier! There's never been anything "sincere" about you. You're just a regular troll under an alias name. Stop wastin' everyone's time here. No one with half a brain will respond to you!


You just did.  he he he he

 

[theory4debate]

Hi.

It seems rather strange that you would recommend a 3rd party ink set,
without ever having used it. You have now used it and are not too happy
with the results.

In order to get accurate colours for photos, you really do need to
understand and apply Colour Management.

Your printer driver will have, and use, built in ICC Profiles, depending on
what settings you make. Those Profiles will be for Canon Ink onto Canon
Paper, so they will not be accurate for any other kind of ink or paper.

You will now need to get a Profile made for your current Ink Set and Paper
combination. There are a number of companies which can do this for you at a
reasonable cost.

Once you have done that you should get accurate colours and density,
provided you print using a Colour Management aware Program like PS, and
select the correct Profile for it to use.

Roy G

Roy,
I recommended the 3rd party ink because of other peoples opinions.
Also, I was very curious if it really produced OEM quality prints.
However, as stated the person is still happy with Hobbicolors product
because of the ease of refill, the low price, and it's still good to
print other stuff.

Your answer regarding using a program like Color Management program
makes sense. I have to look in to that.

Roy, Do you know of any after-market ink that allow the I960 to print
OEM quality without any addition software? I'm just asking you
because you seem very smart and your opinion is unbiased.

Stan

 

[Burt]

Roy,
I recommended the 3rd party ink because of other peoples opinions.
Also, I was very curious if it really produced OEM quality prints.
However, as stated the person is still happy with Hobbicolors product
because of the ease of refill, the low price, and it's still good to
print other stuff.

Your answer regarding using a program like Color Management program
makes sense. I have to look in to that.

Roy, Do you know of any after-market ink that allow the I960 to print
OEM quality without any addition software? I'm just asking you
because you seem very smart and your opinion is unbiased.

Stan

My last response to you indicated that I use an i960 with MIS inks, and I
listed my settings as well as the program I print from. I stated, in
previous posts, that I compared OEM and MIS inks in this printer with
side-by-side photo prints from the same files. I don't think I am mean in
saying that you shouldn't need people to repeat answers that you have
already been given! I use Costco glossy photo paper, Epson glossy photo
paper, and several brands of matte paper for greeting cards. The best matte
paper I've found is the heavy double sided Staples photo supreme matte.

BTW, MIS has recently raised its prices. The Canon ink they sell is reputed
to be Image Specialist ink. IS inks are available for the Canon printers at
a much better price from a participant in the Nifty-Stuff Forum. the link
is
http://home.eol.ca/~mikling/ My next order will be with that firm, and I
will see if the results are the same.

 

[usa123abc]

Stan

My last response to you indicated that I use an i960 with MIS inks, and I
listed my settings as well as the program I print from. I stated, in
previous posts, that I compared OEM and MIS inks in this printer with
side-by-side photo prints from the same files. I don't think I am mean in
saying that you shouldn't need people to repeat answers that you have
already been given! I use Costco glossy photo paper, Epson glossy photo
paper, and several brands of matte paper for greeting cards. The best matte
paper I've found is the heavy double sided Staples photo supreme matte.

BTW, MIS has recently raised its prices. The Canon ink they sell is reputed
to be Image Specialist ink. IS inks are available for the Canon printers at
a much better price from a participant in the Nifty-Stuff Forum. the link
ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/ My next order will be with that firm, and I
will see if the results are the same.

Burt,

Thanks for the info. I was looking at link > ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/....however
their prices were more than Hobbicolors. Also, Hobbicolors came with
the virgin tanks that were very easy to use. These virgin tanks alone
cost $5.00 each at another website.

We tried an experiment to try to correct the black hair that looked
grey. I had a theory that it was only black ink from Hobbicolors.
Therefore, I put a the OEM canon black cartridge back into the i960.
I ran a few test pages to clear up the left over ink in the head.
Then I printed another picture and the person still looked like they
had grey hair and not black hair. Therefore it's not the black ink.
I'm not sure what the problem is.

Burt, when you do buy the ink from link- ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/
please post your results.

thanks,
stan

 

[theory4debate]

My last response to you indicated that I use an i960 with MIS inks, and I
listed my settings as well as the program I print from. I stated, in
previous posts, that I compared OEM and MIS inks in this printer with
side-by-side photo prints from the same files. I don't think I am mean in
saying that you shouldn't need people to repeat answers that you have
already been given! I use Costco glossy photo paper, Epson glossy photo
paper, and several brands of matte paper for greeting cards. The best matte
paper I've found is the heavy double sided Staples photo supreme matte.

BTW, MIS has recently raised its prices. The Canon ink they sell is reputed
to be Image Specialist ink. IS inks are available for the Canon printers at
a much better price from a participant in the Nifty-Stuff Forum. the link
ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/ My next order will be with that firm, and I
will see if the results are the same.

Burt,

Thanks for the info. I was looking at link > ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/....however
their prices were more than Hobbicolors. Also, Hobbicolors came with
the virgin tanks that were very easy to use. These virgin tanks alone
cost $5.00 each at another website.

We tried an experiment to try to correct the black hair that looked
grey. I had a theory that it was only black ink from Hobbicolors.
Therefore, I put a the OEM canon black cartridge back into the i960. I
ran a few test pages to clear up the left over ink in the head. Then I
printed another picture and the person still looked like they had grey
hair and not black hair. Therefore it's not the black ink. I'm not
sure what the problem is.

Burt, when you do buy the ink from link- ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/
please post your results.

thanks,
stan

PS. Burt, thanks for your answers. I really appreciate all your
valuable, sincere, and unbiased opinions.

 

[Burt]

Burt,

Thanks for the info. I was looking at link >
ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/....however
their prices were more than Hobbicolors. Also, Hobbicolors came with
the virgin tanks that were very easy to use. These virgin tanks alone
cost $5.00 each at another website.

We tried an experiment to try to correct the black hair that looked
grey. I had a theory that it was only black ink from Hobbicolors.
Therefore, I put a the OEM canon black cartridge back into the i960.
I ran a few test pages to clear up the left over ink in the head.
Then I printed another picture and the person still looked like they
had grey hair and not black hair. Therefore it's not the black ink.
I'm not sure what the problem is.

Burt, when you do buy the ink from link- ishttp://home.eol.ca/~mikling/
please post your results.

thanks,
stan

Stan - you are right that the absolute best deal is Hobbicolors because, in
addition to good ink, they include the virgin carts. Also, their carts are
already set up for refilling so a newbie won't have to deal with making and
sealing a fill hole. I bought their introductory kit at one time for the
carts alone and gave the ink away.

 

[theory4debate]

Stan - you are right that the absolute best deal is Hobbicolors because, in
addition to good ink, they include the virgin carts. Also, their carts are
already set up for refilling so a newbie won't have to deal with making and
sealing a fill hole. I bought their introductory kit at one time for the
carts alone and gave the ink away.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Burt,
Why did you give away the ink? Does that mean that you know that
Image Specials ink is closer to OEM then Hobbicolor?

Stan