Cannon IP4200

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Can ink tanks be refilled on Cannon IP4200. I know they have contacts
to show the ink status but will it print with refills.
 
Andy said:
Can ink tanks be refilled on Cannon IP4200. I know they have contacts
to show the ink status but will it print with refills.
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Near as we are currently aware, it will print even if the ink is "low".
I make sure to say near as we are aware because there is always the
off chance that canon might make changes to the rom and not permit
this. I can only speak about the ip5200 with v1.00 roms personaly, but
NO issue.
 
Andy Petro said:
Can ink tanks be refilled on Cannon IP4200. I know they have contacts
to show the ink status but will it print with refills.
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Yes it will print, but you will get several warnings followed by a message that
says the printer will record the use of refilled cartridges followed by the ink
level indicators being disabled. But yes it will print.
Tony
 
Andy Petro said:
Can ink tanks be refilled on Cannon IP4200. I know they have contacts
to show the ink status but will it print with refills.
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So far, I have refilled the large black tank and have experienced no
problems.
 
Even if you did (which you won't), it wouldn't make any difference. The
money you saved on the first refill more than paid for the true cost of the
printer, since a new one in a sealed box costs around $80 or so. The ink
tanks alone would have cost you at least $70, so the actual cost of a brand
new iP4200 is only $10.00 or less.
 
measekite said:
It takes time
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Given that the printer runs about $80 on sale, and given that ink is
$70 or so plus tax, on a good day, if your printer explodes as a result
of using this ink and you printed nothing, you lost less than $10.00,
but the fact that as you say it takes time means that you *WILL* save
enough money even if it does shorten the life of the printer, which is
something you have not been able to prove.
 
The warranty is only for a year. I've been refilling for almost two
years. No problems to speak of. Has Measekite ever specified how much
time? 5 years, 10 years? Isn't that way past the average lifespan of a
printer anyway? So who cares? He's really just telling you the obvious:
that all printers eventually die .... it takes time.

AMc
 
Andrew said:
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The warranty is only for a year. I've been refilling for almost two
years. No problems to speak of. Has Measekite ever specified how much
time? 5 years, 10 years? Isn't that way past the average lifespan of a
printer anyway? So who cares? He's really just telling you the obvious:
that all printers eventually die .... it takes time.

AMc
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Agreed; I'm in my 20th month of home refilling my iP5000, the one with
the smallest nozzles (1 pl) in the industry. Supposedly the most likely
to clog. But the various inks I have used and refilled with have all
behaved every bit as well as OEM inks (even the pigment black with its
particles). No clogging has ever occurred, and only very minor printing
jobs since late last year. So relative lack of use has had no effect.
Yes, "it takes time". The printer will have outlived its useful life by
then and I will have saved hundreds of dollars, enough to buy several
new printers. So who gives a shit about clogs that don't exist?

-Taliesyn
 
Ron said:
So far, I have refilled the large black tank and have experienced no
problems.
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I've got two iP4200's and two MP500's which have been refilled and/or
converted to use CIS systems.. In all cases the printer has been
refilled and only required me to accept responsibility for my actions as
is now normal for these printers.

One of the iP4200's has pumped out about the equivalent of 4 or 5 full
cartridge sets in ink so it doesn't seem to have any problems with it.

As Zakezuke pointed out though, this may change in the future if Canon
decide to tighten things up but I'd say that was unlikely as it'd leave
them open to litigation more than their current strategy.
 
Martin said:
I've got two iP4200's and two MP500's which have been refilled and/or
converted to use CIS systems.. In all cases the printer has been refilled
and only required me to accept responsibility for my actions as is now
normal for these printers.

One of the iP4200's has pumped out about the equivalent of 4 or 5 full
cartridge sets in ink so it doesn't seem to have any problems with it.

As Zakezuke pointed out though, this may change in the future if Canon
decide to tighten things up but I'd say that was unlikely as it'd leave
them open to litigation more than their current strategy.
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What CIS system do you use for the IP4200?
 
Ron said:
What CIS system do you use for the IP4200?
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I actually created my own using the OEM cartridges and some parts I
sourced from a number of medical suppliers and an ink supplier in the
EU. All my kits are working nicely but I was among a few people who work
the unique problems the printer design provided.. So it was no walk in
the park.


Recently though I've see two offerings from two different companies that
I'd consider...

1. MIS Associates
http://www.inksupply.com/cfs_ip4200_new.cfm

2. Echostore.com
http://www.echostore.com/continuous-ink-supply-system-ip4200.html


The MIS associates approach is very similar to my home brew effort but
has a number of subtle refinements so I'd hedge more towards them.. The
cost of the OEM cartridges they've used is being handed to you though so
it's more costly, as are most MIS solutions but I'd recommend their
solutions in a heartbeat.

The Echostore one is different in that it uses custom buffers (instead
of cartridges) and the same old continuous pressure reservoir which is
on many chinese CIS kits. It's out of my experience range but worth a
look if you have a set of OEM cartridges and chips available.. It's
cheaper but requires more work and the instructions are less
comprehensive so it's a bit more work.


I'm a bit of an MIS fan though so take my input with a pinch of salt..
Either way your mileage may vary so good luck and hope that helps..

Martin
 
Martin said:
I actually created my own using the OEM cartridges and some parts I
sourced from a number of medical suppliers and an ink supplier in the EU.
All my kits are working nicely but I was among a few people who work the
unique problems the printer design provided.. So it was no walk in the
park.


Recently though I've see two offerings from two different companies that
I'd consider...

1. MIS Associates
http://www.inksupply.com/cfs_ip4200_new.cfm

2. Echostore.com
http://www.echostore.com/continuous-ink-supply-system-ip4200.html


The MIS associates approach is very similar to my home brew effort but has
a number of subtle refinements so I'd hedge more towards them.. The cost
of the OEM cartridges they've used is being handed to you though so it's
more costly, as are most MIS solutions but I'd recommend their solutions
in a heartbeat.

The Echostore one is different in that it uses custom buffers (instead of
cartridges) and the same old continuous pressure reservoir which is on
many chinese CIS kits. It's out of my experience range but worth a look if
you have a set of OEM cartridges and chips available.. It's cheaper but
requires more work and the instructions are less comprehensive so it's a
bit more work.


I'm a bit of an MIS fan though so take my input with a pinch of salt..
Either way your mileage may vary so good luck and hope that helps..

Martin
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Thank you for the information. I will check it out and make up my mind from
there. I wish that companies would just charge a bit more for the printers
and do away with the chips on the ink.
 
Refilling can be done with no warnings. It will be need to reset
IP4200's EEPROM. Please read carefully the indications below. Do that
only if you know what are doing!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) With the printer power turned off, while pressing the Resume/Cancel
button, press and hold the Power button. (DO NOT release the buttons.
The Power LED lights in green to indicate that a function is
selectable.)
2) While holding the Power button, release the resume/Cancel button.
(DO NOT release the Power button.)
3) While holding the Power button, press the Resume/Cancel button 2
times, and then release boththe Power and Resume/Cancel buttons. (Each
time the Resume/Cancel button is pressed, the Alarm and Power LEDs
light alternately, Alarm in orange and Power in green, starting with
Alarm LED.)
4) When the Power LED lights in green, press the Resume/Cancel button
the specified number of time(s) setting).

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time(s) LED indication Function Remarks times Green (Power) Power off
When the print head is not installed, the carriage returns and locks in
the home position capped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 time Orange (Alarm) Service test print .
2 times Green (Power) EEPROM information print
3 times Orange (Alarm) EEPROM initialization
4 times Green (Power) Waste ink counter resetting
5 times Orange (Alarm) Destination settings After entering the
destination settings mode, press the Resume/Cancel button the specified
number of time(s) to select the destination. For detail, see
"Destination settings procedures" below.
6 times Green (Power) Print head deep cleaning (Cleaning of both black
and color)
7 times Orange (Alarm) Reserved
8 times Green (Power) CD / DVD check pattern
9 times Orange (Alarm) CD / DVD print position correction (horizontal:
X direction)
10 times Green (Power) CD / DVD print position correction (vertical: Y
direction)
11 to 13 times Orange, Green, Orange(Alarm, Power,Alarm) Return to the
menu selection
14 times Green (Power) Left margin correction Not usedin servicing.
15 times Orange (Alarm) Return to the menu selection

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time(s) LED indication Destination CD / DVD print
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 times Green (Power) No change of the destination
1 time Orange (Alarm) Japan Supported
2 times Green (Power) Korea Not supported
3 times Orange (Alarm) US Not supported
4 times Green (Power) Europe Supported
5 times Orange (Alarm) Australia Supported
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To turn off printer (getting out of service mode), push Resume/Cancel
button - 15 times Orange (Alarm) Return to the menu selection and the
Power Off button.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have still the original cartriges and I reffiled 5 times until now
and I don't have any problem. BTW, excepting the lack of reffiling, the
IP4200 is a great printer.

Hope to help this information.
 
shu said:
Refilling can be done with no warnings. It will be need to reset
IP4200's EEPROM. Please read carefully the indications below. Do that
only if you know what are doing!!!
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I have still the original cartriges and I reffiled 5 times until now
and I don't have any problem. BTW, excepting the lack of reffiling, the
IP4200 is a great printer.

Hope to help this information.
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That certainly was useful info. Question though, by resetting the
machine's e-prom does it actually reset the the chips to reflect full?

I suspect it's a tradeoff... sacrafise the long term data your printer
collects such as waste ink count and total pages printed for lack of
warnings.
 
zakezuke said:
That certainly was useful info. Question though, by resetting the
machine's e-prom does it actually reset the the chips to reflect full?

I suspect it's a tradeoff... sacrafise the long term data your printer
collects such as waste ink count and total pages printed for lack of
warnings.
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I doubt this will reset the cartridge chips, it would surprise me if Canon had
overlooked this "loophole" if it does work I would be interested to hear back
from somone who has done so successfully.
Tony
 
I have saved your information and will read it over many times carefully
before doing anything.

Thank you.
 
Can somebody translate this for me? I'd like to turn off the low ink
warning when refilling the ink tanks in my iP4200. Thanks.
 
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