Can/How transfer XP to a new computer?

[Plato]

Right now i have an old HP that came with XP Home Edition. I am now
building a computer - but wondered if it is possible, and if so how,
to transfer XP to my new computer.

Did it come with a real MS CD or a proprietary HP "restore" cd. If it's
a restore cd, then its time to buy an official version of MS XP.

 

[Plato]

You spent all that money building a new computer
and now you are considering skimping on the
operating system....really doesn't make much sense.

Installing a non-MS-OS does NOT mean you are skimping on the OS.

 

[Roberto]

What is a slipstreamed CD please?

it's a method of applying SP2 to you original or SP1 CD

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp

rgds
Roberto

 

[Bruce Chambers]

hmm - so i didnt actually buy Windows XP? I bought a license to use
Windows XP on only that one specific machine?


Correct.


That is really messed up.

Why? That's the way it's been for many years, now.


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[Bruce Chambers]

What doesnt make sense is that I already have a copy of XP - just that
i didnt know that it was tied specifically to only one machine.

Yes, you did know that. Or you certainly should have. Did you not
agree to the terms of the EULA the first time you booted up that HP? If
you did so without reading it, you've no one to blame but yourself.

Support from HP? Why in the heck would i go to HP for support
concerning XP?

Because that was also one of the terms of the EULA to which you agreed.





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chains and slavery? .... I know not what course others may take, but as
for me, give me liberty, or give me death! -Patrick Henry

 

[Gordon]

Yes, you did know that. Or you certainly should have. Did you not
agree to the terms of the EULA the first time you booted up that HP? If
you did so without reading it, you've no one to blame but yourself.

Erm /my/ OEM Eula doesn't say it's tied to the first machine it's
installed on.......

Because that was also one of the terms of the EULA to which you agreed.

And /my/ OEM Eula doesn't mention THAT, either......

 

[Alias]

Why? That's the way it's been for many years, now.

It's been messed up for many years now? I agree.

Alias

 

[Gordon]

Why? That's the way it's been for many years, now.

Come on Bruce - you're getting as bad as Carey - you know DAM well the
Eula does NOT say anything about being tied to one machine......

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Erm /my/ OEM Eula doesn't say it's tied to the first machine it's
installed on.......




And /my/ OEM Eula doesn't mention THAT, either......

Then I suggest that you either re-read the EULA, or take some sort of
course/class to improve your reading comprehension.


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chains and slavery? .... I know not what course others may take, but as
for me, give me liberty, or give me death! -Patrick Henry

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Come on Bruce - you're getting as bad as Carey - you know DAM well the
Eula does NOT say anything about being tied to one machine......

On the contrary, the OEM EULA makes it abundantly clear that it's
permanently bound to the first computer on which it's installed:

"Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS LICENSE MAY
NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT
COMPUTERS. The SOFTWARE is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the HARDWARE."


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of
chains and slavery? .... I know not what course others may take, but as
for me, give me liberty, or give me death! -Patrick Henry

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

The OEM Windows XP EULA essentially states:

LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE.


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| Come on Bruce - you're getting as bad as Carey - you know DAM well the
| Eula does NOT say anything about being tied to one machine......
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| --
| Gordon Burgess-Parker

 

[Comrade]

This is for the Kool-aid drinkers

In my industry (imports/customs brokerage) - in addition to corporat
accounts I have helped many individuals get their belongings an
purchases in the country expediently and helping them make a
informed choice on their options and what they mean

I could easily steer them towards a solution - that while getting th
job done - would be overpriced and include much that is no
necessary. But that would be unethical and not conducive to goo
business practices. The average person has no knowledge of th
industry nor practices - sure they could learn but as most companie
know most people will not. Seems like m$ and retailers are takin
advantage of this while companies like mine do not

m$ could be much more forward and "truthful" wit
advertisements concerning their products - but that would encourag
knowledgable customers - which in their current monopolistic stat
would cause problems

You can keep drinking the kool-aid Carey but I'm done

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

You come across as a very immature individual
incapable of understanding licensing agreements
which you previously agreed to. I feel very sorry
for you....

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| This is for the Kool-aid drinkers.
|
| In my industry (imports/customs brokerage) - in addition to corporate
| accounts I have helped many individuals get their belongings and
| purchases in the country expediently and helping them make an
| informed choice on their options and what they mean.
|
| I could easily steer them towards a solution - that while getting the
| job done - would be overpriced and include much that is not
| necessary. But that would be unethical and not conducive to good
| business practices. The average person has no knowledge of the
| industry nor practices - sure they could learn but as most companies
| know most people will not. Seems like m$ and retailers are taking
| advantage of this while companies like mine do not.
|
| m$ could be much more forward and "truthful" with
| advertisements concerning their products - but that would encourage
| knowledgable customers - which in their current monopolistic state
| would cause problems.
|
| You can keep drinking the kool-aid Carey but I'm done.
|

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Hey i got burned - i realize it.

Yes. You may feel burned, because it was not in big flashing lights and
most people do not read the fine-print these days - or care to. They assume
they understand what they are getting and then find out too late they had
*no idea*.

but dont for a second think that 99% of people understand any of
that.

Understand any of it? Nope. Likely not.
Ignorance is not a valid excuse in my book. Sure - if you were underage and
couldn;'t have entered into a binding agreement - I could see where
ignorance could be an excuse - somehow - but as an adult - you wouldn't sign
a contract on a new car, home, or just about anything large without reading
the contract - or at least one would hope.

I know I will not spend large sums of money (and that phrase is determined
by the item(s) being looked at in reference to other item(s) of the same or
similar type - so XP qualifies) without knowing as muchg as I could before
buying it and getting into some agreement I did not understand. It's not
like a Google Search doesn't bring up thousands of these types of
discussions now - so even the argument that "There is no easy way for the
consumer to find this information" is a pretty weak one now. Sure - you
could say they do not have a computer to look it up on yet - but I would bet
they have access to one and can use one somewhere to do the necessary
research - or perhaps just ask someone they trust and know that may know
more about it than them.

But then again M$ and unfortunately many other companies do not want
informed consumers.

So, it is completely the sellers' responsibility to inform the consumer? To
make sure that they understand all of the information they provided?
Wouldn't it be more resonable to expect the one desiring/obtaining/looking
at the product in question to ask about/learn about/fully research the
product before they spend their money unwisely? Or are you saying that
everyone in the world should be spoon fed and everyone doingthe feeding is
trustworthy? heh

That is the bottom line as i see it.

You are welcomed to see it that way.. I see it as lack of effort to learn on
the consumers part.
I know NOTHING about sprinkler systems (or didn't, actually) - but before I
had mine repaired, I did heavy research, called and asked questions, called
in favors and the likes. It meant a $300 difference in the repairs. Well
worth it in my opinion and I now know one more thing. Same could be said
for some repairs on my car, some repairs inside my home, etc. A little
research can go a LONG way.

The OS is perhaps the most essential integral part of a computer -
and at no time did i feel that the salesperson nor the "fine"
print ever tried to make this information easily available.

Why is that their job? Their job is to sell you that product. More than
likely you bought it from a chain store, online or over the phone. Those
people do not even have to know the products they sell. Some of those
choices actually don't have a true salesman. Not to mention - if you
haven't learned to do your own research and learn things on your own by
now - well - I hope you have time to do so and you will never learn it any
younger.

I was an uneducated consumer - that was my fault. Now at least i've
gained enough knowledge to make informed decisions.

This is good. Continue that trend in ALL purchases and you will be more
fulfilled.

Henceforth my decisions will be to use alternatives to M$ products.

Go for it. Is it the right decision? I can only give you my opinion on
this particular case given the entirety of this thread and all its
sub-threads that you have participated in.

It is a bad choice for you. If you couldn't research the one thing that
made the Windows XP license agreement (really - almost all the MS license
agreements have similar restrictions/wording) then the alternative OSes
(barring possibly MacOS X - which hides much from its end user - at least
uninformed end-user) will be too much for you to use due to the shear amount
of research it will take for you to accomplish tasks that you may have
gotten used to doing with a few clicks and no reading in the Windows world.

It's my opinion - hope you prove me wrong. We could always use another
educated end-user out there helping others.

But i do agree with the previous user that ms +retail computer
makers are running a scam. I'm done drinking the kool-aid.

Running a scam? I guess you could look at it that way..
Another way would be "weeding out the herd". *grin*

An educated purchaser rarely gets taken and one that has been taken and
LEARNS from it - rarely gets taken again.

 

[Comrade]

Then please take your pedantic kool-aid drinking somewhere else.

I was a minor when I bought (yes I bought it myself) my first
computer. I didn't know any better, and until just recently took it
at face value. Now I know better.

You're first post was fine. What I don't understand is why you keep
repeating yourself? You've stated your point - over and over and
over again.

At this point it seems like you are just "trolling". If you
have nothing else of value to add to this thread....

If you want I'm sure we can bring up a plethora of topics of which you
are incapable of understanding at the moment. (Oh boy - was that an
"immature" jab?)

mmmkthxbye

 

[Comrade]

To: Shenan Stanle

Seems as if we were posting at the same time - I was a minor when
bought my first computer - and until recently didn't understand th
situation nor my options

I decided (just for fun and to have a challenge) to build my ow
computer. This has actually been a great experience - and it is ALO
easier than most people think

That is when I found out that my OS assumption was erroneous. So al
in all it is a great learning experience. I was under the mistake
belief that you pretty much had to use windows. Now I know otherwis
and am going to explore different options

 

[David Candy]

Moron, learn to post properly. If you won't quote then don't post here.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Yes. You may feel burned, because it was not in big flashing
lights and most people do not read the fine-print these days - or
care to. They assume they understand what they are getting and
then find out too late they had *no idea*.


Understand any of it? Nope. Likely not.
Ignorance is not a valid excuse in my book. Sure - if you were
underage and couldn;'t have entered into a binding agreement - I
could see where ignorance could be an excuse - somehow - but as an
adult - you wouldn't sign a contract on a new car, home, or just
about anything large without reading the contract - or at least one
would hope.

I know I will not spend large sums of money (and that phrase is
determined by the item(s) being looked at in reference to other
item(s) of the same or similar type - so XP qualifies) without
knowing as muchg as I could before buying it and getting into some
agreement I did not understand. It's not like a Google Search
doesn't bring up thousands of these types of discussions now - so
even the argument that "There is no easy way for the consumer to
find this information" is a pretty weak one now. Sure - you could
say they do not have a computer to look it up on yet - but I would
bet they have access to one and can use one somewhere to do the
necessary research - or perhaps just ask someone they trust and
know that may know more about it than them.


So, it is completely the sellers' responsibility to inform the
consumer? To make sure that they understand all of the information
they provided? Wouldn't it be more resonable to expect the one
desiring/obtaining/looking at the product in question to ask
about/learn about/fully research the product before they spend
their money unwisely? Or are you saying that everyone in the world
should be spoon fed and everyone doingthe feeding is trustworthy?
heh


You are welcomed to see it that way.. I see it as lack of effort to
learn on the consumers part.
I know NOTHING about sprinkler systems (or didn't, actually) - but
before I had mine repaired, I did heavy research, called and asked
questions, called in favors and the likes. It meant a $300
difference in the repairs. Well worth it in my opinion and I now
know one more thing. Same could be said for some repairs on my
car, some repairs inside my home, etc. A little research can go a
LONG way.


Why is that their job? Their job is to sell you that product.
More than likely you bought it from a chain store, online or over
the phone. Those people do not even have to know the products they
sell. Some of those choices actually don't have a true salesman.
Not to mention - if you haven't learned to do your own research and
learn things on your own by
now - well - I hope you have time to do so and you will never learn
it any younger.


This is good. Continue that trend in ALL purchases and you will be
more fulfilled.


Go for it. Is it the right decision? I can only give you my
opinion on this particular case given the entirety of this thread
and all its sub-threads that you have participated in.

It is a bad choice for you. If you couldn't research the one thing
that made the Windows XP license agreement (really - almost all the
MS license agreements have similar restrictions/wording) then the
alternative OSes (barring possibly MacOS X - which hides much from
its end user - at least uninformed end-user) will be too much for
you to use due to the shear amount of research it will take for you
to accomplish tasks that you may have gotten used to doing with a
few clicks and no reading in the Windows world.

It's my opinion - hope you prove me wrong. We could always use
another educated end-user out there helping others.


Running a scam? I guess you could look at it that way..
Another way would be "weeding out the herd". *grin*

An educated purchaser rarely gets taken and one that has been taken
and LEARNS from it - rarely gets taken again.

To: Shenan Stanley

Seems as if we were posting at the same time - I was a minor when I
bought my first computer - and until recently didn't understand the
situation nor my options.

I decided (just for fun and to have a challenge) to build my own
computer. This has actually been a great experience - and it is
ALOT easier than most people think.

That is when I found out that my OS assumption was erroneous. So
all in all it is a great learning experience. I was under the
mistaken belief that you pretty much had to use windows. Now I
know otherwise and am going to explore different options.

Fantastic. I am glad to see that you now know there are more options out
there and are going to explore them!

I wish you the best of luck. I wouldn't turn your back completely on
Windows - because you *will* run into it again down the road unless
something strange happens. I encourage you to explore different avenues for
Operating Systems and software - but don't forget that in doing so, Windows
then becomes just one of the many choices you have and will likely have to
use somewhere/sometime in the future. I'm all about knowing as much as you
can about as many things as you can.

I am glad you did not take my comments as harsh or disparaging. I wish you
the best of luck and encourage you to continue learning and asking
questions - even in places like this. Otherwise - life gets boring. hah

 

[Paul Knudsen]

I was an uneducated consumer - that was my fault. Now at least i've
gained enough knowledge to make informed decisions.

Good for you. All your griping because you're too cheap to buy a new
copy of XP! About $95 for OEM Home.

Henceforth my decisions will be to use alternatives to M$ products.

So you won't be posting here again right?

 

[Comrade]

David Candywrote
Moron, learn to post properly. If you won't quote then don't pos
here

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To: Shenan Stanle

Seems as if we were posting at the same time - I was a minor when
bought my first computer - and until recently didn't understand th
situation nor my options

I decided (just for fun and to have a challenge) to build my ow
computer. This has actually been a great experience - and it i ALO
easier than most people think

That is when I found out that my OS assumption was erroneous. S al
in all it is a great learning experience. I was under the mistake
belief that you pretty much had to use windows. Now I kno otherwis
and am going to explore different options
[/quote:18900ff3a9

Well now that is just rude.

I don't understand why when someone doesn't like something that ha
nothing to do with them - they have the tendency to act like a
asshat

If you don't like the thread....really don't know why you would stic
around