Can a version of XP be tranferred from one machine to another?

[Al Smith]

Bank Robbery is a criminal offense. At most, moving OEM XP to another

computer is a civil breech of contract, which would be yet another EULA term
that MS has no intention to ever try to enforce on private non-commercial &
anonymous individuals by legal means, by proving it in front of a real
judge.

MS EULA usage terms on individuals in the privacy of their homes, is nothing
but FUD, and MS's lack of due diligence, for over a decade, in legally
enforcing their EULA usage terms on private individuals are sufficient
grounds for a judge to rule against MS.

You make a lot of sense. I agree with your points. I'm surprised
your posts aren't immediately deleted from this newsgroup. Don't
tell me we have free speech in here?

 

[kurttrail]

You make a lot of sense. I agree with your points. I'm surprised
your posts aren't immediately deleted from this newsgroup. Don't
tell me we have free speech in here?

LOL! MS has tried to limit my speech here over the years, but I've pretty
much won that battle by not letting them get away with it, by not silently
accepting it, and bringing out to the light of day.

I'm sure MS will try again, but until they control all of the internet, MS's
censorship of the truth is an exercise in futility.

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[Alex Nichol]

If a machine dies, and I want to trash it, can I transfer
XP to another machine which is running win98?

I understand the licensing is one copy to one machine,
but can I do the above?

Yes,*Provided* it is a 'retail' copy of XP, not an 'OEM' one that came
as part of the machine or was sold with hardware and is marked 'for
supply only with a new computer' or similar wording. Those are licensed
solely to the machine where first installed and the license dies with it

You would go ahead and install on the new machine. When it comes to
activation, if it is more than 120 days since you last did it, you will
find it will go through on the net just like first time. If not, you
will have to phone a toll-free number that will be given, to explain and
swap one long number for another to check back as you type it in

 

[Greg R]

Have you got a proper Windows XP CD or a Recovery Disk
that restores Windows XP to the way it was when the
computer left the factory?

A Recovery Disk can only be installed on the computer it
came with.

I just thought I would correct you on this point. According to hp
their restore disk are interchangeable. If it an xp system.

Emachines say's thier restore disk would for all the same model.


Greg R

 

[Phil]

And whether MS has the right to legally enforce this term on private
non-commerial individuals has never been determined. And an
individual has EVERY right under the law to "fairly use" the copies
of copyrighted material they buy, under some copyright owner is
willing to prove otherwise. Until a copyright owner is willing to to
just that, us individuals can do what we consider to be a "fair use"
of our copies of copyrighted material in the privacy of our own homes.

MS words are meaningless, unless MS is willing and able to prove them
in a court of law, just like SCO v. IBM. So whether it is a
"violation of the MS EULA" can't be decided by you or me or MS, only
if MS has the balls to risk losing in a court of law.

Hey Kurt, you know I agree with you on the whole fair use thing. As I said
before, I post this oem eula junk to make oem versions and oem computers
look bad(doesn't take much). I am against oem junk computers, and how oem's
rip customers off because the customers are ignorant on the subject. I
always do whatever I can to talk a user out of oem versions and oem
computers, so that's why I point out the bad points about oem computers and
oem licenses. Custom built is the only way to go.

 

[Guest]

Holy crap, you people are pathetic. Moving a copy of WinXP from one machine to another is not piracy, illegal, or in violation of MS policy. As long as it is on one PC only it is fine. I called in to MS and I had it reactivated without fail. As long as I'm not pirating the software I can do whatever I damn well please with it, as I purchased it, without violation of any law or contract. If MS didn't mean for XP to be transferred from one PC to another, then they for one wouldn't have a post on their site that explicitly says that you can as long as there is only one installation of the OS, and they wouldn't have let me reactivate an OEM copy. Also, I think that the XP product key that comes with Dell systems is a retail product key. I mean does some other person who none of you know really affecting your lives so much that you have to complain about something that they did that doesn't affect you in any way? I mean if one of you just came out and said that you have installed 50 bootlegged copies of XP on 50 different machines I wouldn't care, it's not my job to try to enforce laws and contracts that someone else may breach.

 

[Phil]

XP full/upgrade retail version can be transfered, no problem.
OEM versions according to the ms oem eula cannot be transfered. So moving an
oem version is in violation of the eula(if that means anything to you). (and
btw - dell gives you an oem product key) If you moved an oem version, told
ms you did so, and they activated you, then you got lucky. If moved an oem
version, and you activated over the net, then it should go thru, but it's
still in violation of the eula.
Right from the oem EULA:
* Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED,
TRANSFERRED TO OR USED CONCURRENTLY
ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. If the
SOFTWARE is not accompanied by new HARDWARE, you may
not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all
of your rights under this EULA only as part of a
permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE, provided
you retain no copies, if you transfer all of the SOFTWARE
(including all component parts, the media and printed
materials, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate
of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms
of this EULA. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any
transfer must also include all prior versions of the
SOFTWARE.

 

[Guest]

In case you didn't know, MS has nothing to do with dishing out licenses and agreements that go with OEM versions, thats why its OEM, because the OEM provides the agreements and support. The only thing MS has is a copyright violation thing for piracy, the Dell agreement is what goes with the Dell OEM version. And if it makes you people feel any better, I didn't physically reinstall the OS on another machine. It exists on the same hard disk that came with the original Dell machine and was not ever repair installed or reinstalled. I replaced the motherboard and a few other parts, so technically it is not a Dell machine anymore, but it is the same installation that Dell put on my drive.

 

[kurttrail]

Hey Kurt, you know I agree with you on the whole fair use thing. As I
said before, I post this oem eula junk to make oem versions and oem
computers look bad(doesn't take much). I am against oem junk
computers, and how oem's rip customers off because the customers are
ignorant on the subject. I always do whatever I can to talk a user
out of oem versions and oem computers, so that's why I point out the
bad points about oem computers and oem licenses. Custom built is the
only way to go.

Hey Phil,

I lost your email addy. If you don't mind, can you drop me a line at my
hotmail address. My user name is "kurtkirsch."

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[David Nimon]

It is my understanding that an OEM version has the specific letters 'OEM' in
the product key provided.

My Dell product key for XP home does NOT have this letter combination.

 

[Phil]

In case you didn't know, MS has nothing to do with dishing out
licenses and agreements that go with OEM versions, thats why its OEM,
because the OEM provides the agreements and support.

What makes you think that? MS writes the eula and hands out the licenses.
Dell is just a middle man when it comes to the windows license. Dell does
not have its own oem license that they use. All oem's use the same oem eula
and oem licenses and these are created by MS. Dell has to abide by the oem
agreement they have with MS, which uses the oem eula and oem license. Dell
does provide support on their own for the oem product.

The only thing
MS has is a copyright violation thing for piracy, the Dell agreement
is what goes with the Dell OEM version.

Not sure what you mean by agreement, but the license comes from MS.

And if it makes you people
feel any better, I didn't physically reinstall the OS on another
machine. It exists on the same hard disk that came with the original
Dell machine and was not ever repair installed or reinstalled. I
replaced the motherboard and a few other parts, so technically it is
not a Dell machine anymore, but it is the same installation that Dell
put on my drive.

This is a grey area with the oem no transfer policy. Some techs/people (the
ms oem team) at MS will tell you that a new motherboard = a new computer.
Some will say that new computer = all new parts and a new case. The eula
doesn't make it clear what exactly a new computer is, so it's a grey area,
but it does say oem's can't be transfered. But what a new computer is, is
still up for grabs.

Also, I don't really care what you decide to do with your oem version,
transfer it or not. I'm not telling you to not do it or you're not allowed
to, I'm just stating the eula facts.

 

[Phil]

Hey Phil,

I lost your email addy. If you don't mind, can you drop me a line at
my hotmail address. My user name is "kurtkirsch."

Sure no prob. I'll email ya later. (and sorry about never getting back to
you on that thread we had about Kerry and Bush, etc. - I had an out of town
bowling tournament and forgot all about the thread. I got back days later
and didn't want to resurrect it)

 

[Phil]

No, the letters OEM appear in the product ID, not the product key. Two
different things. Product keys do not have the letters oem. The product ID
gets created by the product key and hardware combination. You can see you
product ID by right clicking my computer, properties, general tab. You'll
see oem listed in the product id. If you have oem listed there then you have
an oem product key.(that's how it knows to put oem in the product id)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In

It is my understanding that an OEM version has the specific letters
'OEM' in the product key provided.

My Dell product key for XP home does NOT have this letter

combination.


No, it has it in the Product ID, not in the Product Key. These
are two different things.

 

[kurttrail]

Sure no prob. I'll email ya later. (and sorry about never getting
back to you on that thread we had about Kerry and Bush, etc. - I had
an out of town bowling tournament and forgot all about the thread. I
got back days later and didn't want to resurrect it)

Thanks for all of the above, especially your forgetfulness! I got
enough on my plate right now with those nuts from CSAM. ;-)

It's not an every day occurance that I get to overtly help to protect our
community here, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

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[David Nimon]

Thanks for the info. You are correct. But I guess you knew that. <g>

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Right-click My Computer and select Properties. Read the Product
ID displayed on the General tab. Is it not in the format of
99999-OEM-9999999-99999?

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