Burning DVD

[John Kelly]

see my other reply re converting the file

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[Jeffraham Prestonian]

(I never have been able to understand why someone would want to
continually download the whole message thread again just to see if there
were any replies....very odd behaviour)

As with most things in life, it's generally due to not
being aware of the full range of options available.
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[John Kelly]

Hello,

That was not meant to be personal....sorry if you thought so.

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[John Kelly]

Hello,
A few messages back there is a blow by blow account of how to use Nero to make
a DVD The message thread is called "Making DVD" you will find two replies to
the original poster...mine giving the full details is the second message.

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[Guest]

I was where you are at yesterday. I first found from reading the posts that
I had to save the file in WMM in the DV-AVI(NTSC) format rather than the
default setting they give you. This is about the third screen in the "Save
Movie File" selection. Then open it in Nero and make your chapters breaks
and titles then save it as a Nero file then burn the DVD. See previous
discussions for picture quality issues. Steve says we must save the original
video in the DV-AVI format also rather than just letting WMM pick the
default. I'm running more experiments and will let you know what works best
for me - tomorrow.

 

[Guest]

Ok I now have recreated my test piece using DV_AVI captured video and saved
it to DV-AVI format. The resulting Nero burn was as good as my video
creations - but not noticeably better - which was a disappointment. I tried
Papa John's suggestion with the TMPGEnc software and saved it to an *.m2v
file. This conversion took an hour for 1 min. 55 seconds of video. Papa
John suggests not copying the audio - but then I wouldn't know how to get the
audio into it. So I converted the audio as well. When Nero recognized it
there was no audio. So with that I'm droppping that idea and sticking with
your suggestion to just use what I've got. The Nero burning software took 21
minutes to format then burn this 1 min 55 sec. video. Is this normal??

 

[Guest]

See my latest post to John Kelly in this thread for my current state.

 

[John Kelly]

Hello,

The compile time is dependent on computer resources etc as you probably know.
21 minutes seems a bit long for the video length you mention, but there are
house keeping chores that are done at the start and end which are not exactly
dependent on the file size to be converted.

Guessing and this may surprise you a bit....my 2GHz machines might take 7 or 8
min's and my 3GHz machines might take more than 8 minutes....why the seemingly
wrong results....easy, I built the 2GHz machines and used fast
motherboards...the 3GHz machines are factory built....and their motherboards
are slower than the others....From this you can arrive at the correct
assumption that the CPU speed is not all that important...something called the
FSB (Front Side Bus Speed) is ALL important...its the best speed that the data
can travel around the motherboard at....understandably if its slow then
everything else is slow....I did not make mention of the speed of your DVD
burner. My old burner is the old standard of 2.4 times...my new burners are (I
think) 16 times, if not they are 8 times. Obviously the speed of the burner
will also be a factor.

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[Guest]

Ok John, here is the latest. Iwas able to complie a 39 Minute DVD from Mini
DV video imported as DV-AVI files and also still photo's. I burned 8 ciopies
and was very pleased with the picture quality. When I save the WMM file in
total as a DV-AVI file it took over two hours. Then when I used Nero to burn
it, it took over 6 hours for the first one. Each additional DVD took just 5
minutes to burn. The guys at Best Buy tell me that my Celeron processor
(even though 1.2 GHz) is not made to handle video files and that I need a
Pentium. Does this make any sense to you?? Also , my 39 minute DVD takes up
most of the disc (at least 75%) and the file size is 7.7Gb (which is too big
to save as a data file on a CD or DVD. I looked into dual layers DVD's which
hold 8.5 Gb but they cost $10 each right now in the US. Your thoughts??

 

[Guest]

Are you successfully burning DVD's. See my post dated today to John Kelly
in this same string.

 

[Guest]

Hello,

The 2hr save to DV-AVI is not to bad......an accurate measure of how good
could only be done by taking the hard drive and sticking it into another
machine...I see you are running on a 1.2GHz machine.....that would make quite
a difference as compared to current machines....but there are a lot of
"Ifs"...for example I have home built 2GHz machines that rival my 3GHz
machines in speed....there is a lot more in the equation than just the CPU
speed.

The burn to nero seems rather long....but there are several stages if you
are going from AVI to VOB plus the menu creation (and chapters if you used
them) In addition a 1.2GHz machine burning a DVD is pushing your luck a
little. You are probably operating right on the edge of what is acceptable
performance.

The creation of secondary DVD's seems very fast. Admitedly its only burning
an image ratrher than re-creating everything over and over....but 5 minutes
is rather quick in your circumstances.

I have just been talking to my youngest son who lives in Virginia (we will
be with hime soon) He is also complaining about the cost of Dual Layer disks
and quotes the same price as you. The last pack I bought off the internet
cost me around $36 for for 10. I thought I had done OK until I saw in a local
camera store the identical pack of disks for only £11.99 (around $22) As it
is with all things, the more the public buy the lower the eventual standard
price.

I have been especially pleased with Nero when the duration of the video to
be recorded is not all that much greater than an hour....I did a disk last
week (Muppet Chrismas Carol) which had a run time of 1hr 18mins....I reduced
the quality in Nero so that the project only just fitted a 1hour
disk......you would have a hard time spotting the difference between it and
the original (which was captured in DV quality via satelite)

As I mentioned earlier with the 1.2GHz you are right on the edge off
performance....unfortunately the wrong edge. If you decide to buy a new
machine.......Don't worry too much about the speed of the CPU....obviously
you want one with a good and high speed, but, you should be more concerned
with something called the fron side bus speed (FSB) you need to look for one
that has a value of at least 400 - 500MHz assuming you buy one at 500MHz and
is a 3GHz CPU then the stepping applied would be 6. If you buy one of these
so called "deals" where the CPU is 3GHz...it is possible that you are buying
a machine with a FSB of just 100MHz....and thats a stepping rate of 30
!!!!!!....dont worry too much about what stepping rates is etc....just go
look for the first two numbers mentioned....the higher thay are the better,
and the closer to each other they are is also better.

Anyway, I am away....I am totaly wrecked at the moment with
travelling....have a good holiday and a Happy new Year

John Kelly

 

[Guest]

That helps. Thanks for all your advice.

Hello,

The 2hr save to DV-AVI is not to bad......an accurate measure of how good
could only be done by taking the hard drive and sticking it into another
machine...I see you are running on a 1.2GHz machine.....that would make quite
a difference as compared to current machines....but there are a lot of
"Ifs"...for example I have home built 2GHz machines that rival my 3GHz
machines in speed....there is a lot more in the equation than just the CPU
speed.

The burn to nero seems rather long....but there are several stages if you
are going from AVI to VOB plus the menu creation (and chapters if you used
them) In addition a 1.2GHz machine burning a DVD is pushing your luck a
little. You are probably operating right on the edge of what is acceptable
performance.

The creation of secondary DVD's seems very fast. Admitedly its only burning
an image ratrher than re-creating everything over and over....but 5 minutes
is rather quick in your circumstances.

I have just been talking to my youngest son who lives in Virginia (we will
be with hime soon) He is also complaining about the cost of Dual Layer disks
and quotes the same price as you. The last pack I bought off the internet
cost me around $36 for for 10. I thought I had done OK until I saw in a local
camera store the identical pack of disks for only £11.99 (around $22) As it
is with all things, the more the public buy the lower the eventual standard
price.

I have been especially pleased with Nero when the duration of the video to
be recorded is not all that much greater than an hour....I did a disk last
week (Muppet Chrismas Carol) which had a run time of 1hr 18mins....I reduced
the quality in Nero so that the project only just fitted a 1hour
disk......you would have a hard time spotting the difference between it and
the original (which was captured in DV quality via satelite)

As I mentioned earlier with the 1.2GHz you are right on the edge off
performance....unfortunately the wrong edge. If you decide to buy a new
machine.......Don't worry too much about the speed of the CPU....obviously
you want one with a good and high speed, but, you should be more concerned
with something called the fron side bus speed (FSB) you need to look for one
that has a value of at least 400 - 500MHz assuming you buy one at 500MHz and
is a 3GHz CPU then the stepping applied would be 6. If you buy one of these
so called "deals" where the CPU is 3GHz...it is possible that you are buying
a machine with a FSB of just 100MHz....and thats a stepping rate of 30
!!!!!!....dont worry too much about what stepping rates is etc....just go
look for the first two numbers mentioned....the higher thay are the better,
and the closer to each other they are is also better.

Anyway, I am away....I am totaly wrecked at the moment with
travelling....have a good holiday and a Happy new Year

John Kelly

 

[Jeffraham Prestonian]

...you would have a hard time spotting the difference between it and
the original (which was captured in DV quality via satelite)

I don't know about the UK's services, but the satellite
services here in the US all use MPEG compression on
the downlink (thus, as they add more services and
channels, your video quality degrades). So, those
services don't deliver video to rival DV in terms of
quality.
..

 

[Guest]

Could you read my post to John Kelly on 12/20 and give me your thougthts on
file size, DV-AVI save times, and burn times. Thanks.

 

[Jeffraham Prestonian]

Could you read my post to John Kelly on 12/20 and give me your thougthts
on
file size, DV-AVI save times, and burn times. Thanks.

The one about the Celeron? If so, I think John addressed
all the likely culprits. I just did a ~27-minute piece on a
2.4GHz P4*, and it took about an hour to save the segments
down to DV-AVI, about an hour to encode for DVD (using
Roxio's DVD Builder), and about 5 minutes for each DVD
burned. Your times were longer, as I recall, but not outside
the range of normal, given that your PC has a just-over-1GHz
Celeron, and probably a slower front side bus speed and
perhaps not quite the optimal amount of RAM for doing
longish video projects, at least to the extent of doing your
projects any quicker than you described.

As John explained, the processor speed is only a small
piece to the puzzle. The fact that the Celerons generally
have less L2 cache is one piece; amount of RAM and
front side bus (FSB) speed are two larger pieces... as
is disk speed (though it's safe to assume you'd be okay
with normal, run-of-the-mill 7200 rpm EIDE drives), and
disk condition (i.e., how fragmented is the drive?).

The lengthy part of the process is always going to be
the encoding step prior to the first burn. I could be wrong,
but I'm guessing that in that step, the PC has to hold a
LOT of crap in RAM, so your memory is more than likely
going to get maxed out in this step. Is that your bottleneck?
I don't know -- if you have less than 512MB, step up to
that much, if you can, and see what effect that has on
speeding up the process. You'll need to get specs on
your motherboard in order to see how much RAM can
be installed, in what configurations (one stick at a time,
vs. matching pairs) and what "speed" or latency it must
be. Still, if the motherboard is only capable of 100MHz
FSB, that's going to be another bottleneck -- one that
really can't be solved without building another PC. :-/

Anyway, I think I may have repeated nearly everything
John already mentioned, so forgive me if it was of little
or no help.

* - This was a friend's PC, since my ancient P3 800MHz
box had fried its little CPU. I don't know the specs on it --
it's a off-the-shelf Dell, so not sure what the FSB or even
the installed RAM was.
..

 

[Guest]

Hi John, I see you are very active here so if you don'y mind I have a question.

I use MSMM 2.1 to capture and edit movie then burn them using Roxio 7. Is
there a way, other than creating separate movie files to create "chapters" or
"segments" w/i MSMM? I coach basketball and thus need to use chapters to
jump around the game and bring out coaching points quickly before the players
get bored. I create game tapes on a Sony using Digital 8, I'd love to find a
way to do all my editing and publishing in MSMM.

Any ideas?

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Not within Movie Maker.... you need to do it with your disc authoring
software.
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[marika]

As I mentioned earlier with the 1.2GHz you are right on the edge off
performance....unfortunately the wrong edge. If you decide to buy a new
machine.......Don't worry too much about the speed of the CPU....obviously
you want one with a good and high speed, but, you should be more concerned
with something called the fron side bus speed (FSB) you need to look for one
that has a value of at least 400 - 500MHz assuming you buy one at 500MHz and
is a 3GHz CPU then the stepping applied would be 6. If you buy one of these
so called "deals" where the CPU is 3GHz...it is possible that you are buying
a machine with a FSB of just 100MHz....and thats a stepping rate of 30
!!!!!!....dont worry too much about what stepping rates is etc....just go
look for the first two numbers mentioned....the higher thay are the better,
and the closer to each other they are is also better.

I have never had so much problem with cd programs this month. Nero
Roxio all sucked.
which makes it hard because i am supposed to be the systems
administrator at work for the cd burning station.
great
At which point I have to just back up and be reminded,
all of this stuff gets a little complicated for me.
Really, I only actually started understanding
differences recently or so ago.

mk5000

"Five little fishes swimming in a pool.
The first one said,
The pool is cool.
The second one said,
The pool is deep."--anonymous

 

[Lester Mosley]

I have never had so much problem with cd programs this month. Nero
Roxio all sucked.
which makes it hard because i am supposed to be the systems
administrator at work for the cd burning station.
great
At which point I have to just back up and be reminded,
all of this stuff gets a little complicated for me.
Really, I only actually started understanding
differences recently or so ago.

That is the mistake there.

If yah need help. Yah can always rech me.

 

[marika]

Lester Mosley wrote:

If yah need help.

thanks

i like the old days with the hand operated swivel
trays. I used to love those days. They need to go back to that

mk5000

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kit groove with activity on all cymbals to have a real sense of the
stereo picture."--scott fraser