BOOTING DISKETTE

[Roberto Lito]

My system gets stuck at booting due to an error in the
data booting files. I need to be able to enter a command
prompt to start chkdsk /r command and repair the error.
I do not have any start up media (diskette/CD or whatever
with me). Where can I get a start up diskette that will
let me boot and get to a command prompt screen?

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

My system gets stuck at booting due to an error in the
data booting files. I need to be able to enter a command
prompt to start chkdsk /r command and repair the error.
I do not have any start up media (diskette/CD or whatever
with me). Where can I get a start up diskette that will
let me boot and get to a command prompt screen?

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

 

[XPUSER]

My system gets stuck at booting due to an error in the
data booting files. I need to be able to enter a command
prompt to start chkdsk /r command and repair the error.
I do not have any start up media (diskette/CD or whatever
with me). Where can I get a start up diskette that will
let me boot and get to a command prompt screen?

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Obtaining Windows XP Setup Boot Disks
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310994

Note that you will need to select the appropriate version of XP
including whether or not Service Pack 1 is installed.

You will need 6 good floppy disks.

Once you boot with them you will need to go into Recovery Console.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314058&Product=winxp
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[XPUSER]

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

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Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

 

[Cerridwen]

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Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I
boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read
only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the
system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

Yes he is and /you're/ the idiot.The recovery console is *NOT* DOS. It won't
work on NTFS partitions because DOS doesn't recognise them. I think you owe
him an apology, don't you?!

 

[XPUSER]

Yes he is and /you're/ the idiot.The recovery console is *NOT* DOS. It won't
work on NTFS partitions because DOS doesn't recognise them. I think you owe
him an apology, don't you?!

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At no time did I use the word "idiot" as you did.
At no time did I claim that the Recovery Console is DOS.
It is a "DOS emulation" command prompt environment.
I suggest you educate yourself with the following article which includes the use of chkdsk in Recovery Console.
By the way, chkdsk will work in Recovery Console whether you are using FAT32 or NTFS !
I now await YOUR apology.

Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314058&Product=winxp

I also believe that Roberto Lito would best be served by booting from the 6 XP boot disks in order to
get to Recovey Console:

Obtaining Windows XP Setup Boot Disks
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310994
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[Guest]

What if I use the set of diskettes made by
winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe
Will it boot the computer to a command prompt and be able
to use chkdsk /r in NTFS partition of C:/ ?

-----Original Message-----

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Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at

any time when I boot to Recovery Console?

In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just

chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f

(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================

================

 

[XPUSER]

What if I use the set of diskettes made by
winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe
Will it boot the computer to a command prompt and be able
to use chkdsk /r in NTFS partition of C:/ ?

====================================================
First you have to obtain the correct file for creating the 6 XP boot disks:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310994

By the "correct file" I mean the one for either XP Home or Pro and if SP1 is installed or not.

If http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=FBE5E4FC-695F-43E5-AF05-719F45C382A4

winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe is the correct one for your version then first download that file and then run it to create the

6 XP Boot Floppies (be sure to number them).

After you have created them, then boot the problem computer with them.

You will eventually get to a screen that says:

Press Enter to Setup

Press R for Repair with Recovery Console

Press F3 to Quit

You will want to press "R"

This is what should happen after pressing "R"

You should be prompted to choose which installation to log onto:

1:C:\windows
Type in "1" <Enter>

Press <Enter> for blank Administrator password

(if Administrator has been assigned a password, then of course that will have to be used)

This should take you to this prompt:

C:\windows>

At that prompt, you can run chkdsk /r

If after you press "R" for Recovery Console you go immediately to a C:\>

That is not a good sign - it means that the Windows installation is not recognized.

You can still run chkdsk /r however -

chkdsk /r may take quite a while to run

If it is able to make it all the way back to C:\>

then remove any floppy disks and or CD's and type in

exit and press Enter

The system will reboot

See if the system can boot up then ...

If at any point you get a message something like:

"chkdsk has found UNRECOVERABLE problems" then the hard drive has failed and your task then becomes one of data recovery.

You could try slaving this drive to another one that is running XP (NTFS) and see if you can access your data and retrieve it.

You may end up needing to run this procedure by booting from the 6 XP floppy disks:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307545

HTH

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[Guest]

Well I was just waiting for that answer,the last one.
Yes, I am only able to obtain the 6 boot diskettes and if
I can boot from them to Recovery Console then I'll be
able to run chkdsk and hopefully repair the error.
OK folks, that's it. Thank you to you all.

-----Original Message-----
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At no time did I use the word "idiot" as you did.
At no time did I claim that the Recovery Console is DOS.
It is a "DOS emulation" command prompt environment.
I suggest you educate yourself with the following

article which includes the use of chkdsk in Recovery
Console.

By the way, chkdsk will work in Recovery Console whether you are using FAT32 or NTFS !
I now await YOUR apology.

Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en- us;314058&Product=winxp

I also believe that Roberto Lito would best be served by

booting from the 6 XP boot disks in order to

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

=========================================================================
Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

I was referring to a Win98 boot disk, as I mentioned clearly
in my reply. I am quite aware that chkdsk.exe, when run under
WinXP or under the Command Console, can deal with NTFS
partitions.

 

[=?iso-8859-1?B?uyBtcnRlZSCr?=]

Then INSTALL the recovery console to your HD. It comes in very handy. Install it NOW because you will not be able to install it when (if) you apply SP2. Make sure that it works too!

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
| Well I was just waiting for that answer,the last one.
| Yes, I am only able to obtain the 6 boot diskettes and if
| I can boot from them to Recovery Console then I'll be
| able to run chkdsk and hopefully repair the error.
| OK folks, that's it. Thank you to you all.

 

[XPUSER]

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

=========================================================================
Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

I was referring to a Win98 boot disk, as I mentioned clearly
in my reply. I am quite aware that chkdsk.exe, when run under
WinXP or under the Command Console, can deal with NTFS
partitions.

========================================================
Your EXACT quote:

"chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions."
And why would you only give the option of using a Win98 bootdisk
when the person is posting to a Windows XP newsgroup?
Turns out, the person is using NTFS not FAT32.

I am afraid that your original reply was anything but "clear".

Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the old saying:

"Say what you mean and mean what you say."

By the way, I notice you did not answer my question as to
whether you really are an MVP. I seriously doubt it.
==================================================

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

=========================================================================
Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

I was referring to a Win98 boot disk, as I mentioned clearly
in my reply. I am quite aware that chkdsk.exe, when run under
WinXP or under the Command Console, can deal with NTFS
partitions.

========================================================
Your EXACT quote:

"chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions."
And why would you only give the option of using a Win98 bootdisk
when the person is posting to a Windows XP newsgroup?
Turns out, the person is using NTFS not FAT32.

I am afraid that your original reply was anything but "clear".

Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the old saying:

"Say what you mean and mean what you say."

By the way, I notice you did not answer my question as to
whether you really are an MVP. I seriously doubt it.
==================================================




I am a fully registered MVP. Furthermore, I see little point
in arguing about words, phrasing etc. as it does not
contribute towards the OP's problem, so please consider
this branch of the thread closed.

 

[XPUSER]

chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions.

If it's FAT/FAT32 then you can get a Win98 bootdisk
from here: www.bootdisk.com.

=========================================================================
Huh?
How come I able to run chkdsk on my NTFS partition at any time when I boot to Recovery Console?
In R.C. I usually run chkdsk /p or chkdsk /r
Or for that matter, I can run it from the Command Prompt window.
If I run it from the Command Prompt Window I use just chkdsk (read only mode) or chkdsk /f
(which asks if you want to run chkdsk on the next reboot of the system)
Are you really a MVP?
If so, I can only say - Wow.
=========================================================================

I was referring to a Win98 boot disk, as I mentioned clearly
in my reply. I am quite aware that chkdsk.exe, when run under
WinXP or under the Command Console, can deal with NTFS
partitions.

========================================================
Your EXACT quote:

"chkdsk.exe will only work if your system partition is
FAT/FAT32. You cannot use it on NTFS partitions."
And why would you only give the option of using a Win98 bootdisk
when the person is posting to a Windows XP newsgroup?
Turns out, the person is using NTFS not FAT32.

I am afraid that your original reply was anything but "clear".

Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the old saying:

"Say what you mean and mean what you say."

By the way, I notice you did not answer my question as to
whether you really are an MVP. I seriously doubt it.
==================================================




I am a fully registered MVP. Furthermore, I see little point
in arguing about words, phrasing etc. as it does not
contribute towards the OP's problem, so please consider
this branch of the thread closed.
=============================================
"words, phrasing etc." are what we use for effective communication.
This thread is closed as far as I am concerned. I will not be posting
any more replies.
====================================================

 

[Guest]

Hi !
There is no way I may know if SP1 is installed in my
computer or not. I know I have Windows XP home, but
nothing else is known to me.
I downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe and made the 6
diskettes. Of course I couldn't make the diskettes in the
computer that does not boot, but in a computer with
Windows 98 SE installed.Could this be any problem ? I
thought the discs were made from the data in downloaded
file not from files in the computer ?
The diskettes did not work. It gave a Non Sytem disk
Error on starting computer with diskette 1. So obviously
these StartUp disks do not work in my machine.
What do you suggest ? just need to get to Recovery
Console to execute the chkdsk /r command.

Roberto

-----Original Message-----


====================================================
First you have to obtain the correct file for creating the 6 XP boot disks:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en- us;310994

By the "correct file" I mean the one for either XP Home

or Pro and if SP1 is installed or not.

If http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx? displaylang=en&FamilyID=FBE5E4FC-695F-43E5-AF05-
719F45C382A4

winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe is the correct one for your

version then first download that file and then run it to
create the

6 XP Boot Floppies (be sure to number them).

After you have created them, then boot the problem computer with them.

You will eventually get to a screen that says:

Press Enter to Setup

Press R for Repair with Recovery Console

Press F3 to Quit

You will want to press "R"

This is what should happen after pressing "R"

You should be prompted to choose which installation to log onto:

1:C:\windows
Type in "1" <Enter>

Press <Enter> for blank Administrator password

(if Administrator has been assigned a password, then of

course that will have to be used)

This should take you to this prompt:

C:\windows>

At that prompt, you can run chkdsk /r

If after you press "R" for Recovery Console you go immediately to a C:\>

That is not a good sign - it means that the Windows

installation is not recognized.

You can still run chkdsk /r however -

chkdsk /r may take quite a while to run

If it is able to make it all the way back to C:\>

then remove any floppy disks and or CD's and type in

exit and press Enter

The system will reboot

See if the system can boot up then ...

If at any point you get a message something like:

"chkdsk has found UNRECOVERABLE problems" then the hard

drive has failed and your task then becomes one of data
recovery.

You could try slaving this drive to another one that is

running XP (NTFS) and see if you can access your data and
retrieve it.

 

[XPUSER]

Hi !
There is no way I may know if SP1 is installed in my
computer or not. I know I have Windows XP home, but
nothing else is known to me.
I downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe and made the 6
diskettes. Of course I couldn't make the diskettes in the
computer that does not boot, but in a computer with
Windows 98 SE installed.Could this be any problem ? I
thought the discs were made from the data in downloaded
file not from files in the computer ?
The diskettes did not work. It gave a Non Sytem disk
Error on starting computer with diskette 1. So obviously
these StartUp disks do not work in my machine.
What do you suggest ? just need to get to Recovery
Console to execute the chkdsk /r command.

Roberto

or Pro and if SP1 is installed or not.
version then first download that file and then run it to
create the
course that will have to be used)
installation is not recognized.
drive has failed and your task then becomes one of data
recovery.
running XP (NTFS) and see if you can access your data and
retrieve it.

================================================================

1. Make sure you have 6 GOOD floppy disks. By that I mean 6 Brand New floppies -
not 6 floppies that have been laying around in some drawer for the last 5 years.

2. You need to become more aware of what is going on with your computer.
It is YOUR responsibility to know if your XP OS has SP1 installed or not.

3. You downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe right? When you double clicked on it,
did it prompt you to start inserting the floppy disks? If yes, and you followed along
and it appeared to be creating the disks and then they did not work, I can only assume
that the floppy disks are no good. As far as I know, this should still work even if you
are using a Windows 98 computer, although I will admit, I don't have first hand experience
with actually doing that.

4. The importance of using the XP Home 6 boot floppies with or without SP1 is so that
you do not get blocked by the built in Administrator account password (probably blank)
prompt once you successfully boot from the floppies and try to access Recovery Console.

5. Unfortunately, it sounds like you may have to take this system to a shop or hire a
tech to come to your house to work on it.

==================================================================

 

[XPUSER]

Hi !
There is no way I may know if SP1 is installed in my
computer or not. I know I have Windows XP home, but
nothing else is known to me.
I downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe and made the 6
diskettes. Of course I couldn't make the diskettes in the
computer that does not boot, but in a computer with
Windows 98 SE installed.Could this be any problem ? I
thought the discs were made from the data in downloaded
file not from files in the computer ?
The diskettes did not work. It gave a Non Sytem disk
Error on starting computer with diskette 1. So obviously
these StartUp disks do not work in my machine.
What do you suggest ? just need to get to Recovery
Console to execute the chkdsk /r command.

Roberto

or Pro and if SP1 is installed or not.
version then first download that file and then run it to
create the
course that will have to be used)
installation is not recognized.
drive has failed and your task then becomes one of data
recovery.
running XP (NTFS) and see if you can access your data and
retrieve it.

================================================================

1. Make sure you have 6 GOOD floppy disks. By that I mean 6 Brand New floppies -
not 6 floppies that have been laying around in some drawer for the last 5 years.

2. You need to become more aware of what is going on with your computer.
It is YOUR responsibility to know if your XP OS has SP1 installed or not.

3. You downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe right? When you double clicked on it,
did it prompt you to start inserting the floppy disks? If yes, and you followed along
and it appeared to be creating the disks and then they did not work, I can only assume
that the floppy disks are no good. As far as I know, this should still work even if you
are using a Windows 98 computer, although I will admit, I don't have first hand experience
with actually doing that.

4. The importance of using the XP Home 6 boot floppies with or without SP1 is so that
you do not get blocked by the built in Administrator account password (probably blank)
prompt once you successfully boot from the floppies and try to access Recovery Console.

5. Unfortunately, it sounds like you may have to take this system to a shop or hire a
tech to come to your house to work on it.

======================================================================

Another thought -

Is the boot sequence in your BIOS settings set to have the Floppy drive as the first boot device?

In my opinion the best boot order is:

1. Floppy

2. CDROM (may show as ATAPI CDROM)

3, Hard Drive (may show as HDD-0)

Does the floppy drive light appear to activate when you have the first boot floppy in it?

I still tend to think that your floppy disks are physically damaged or if not,
then you did not create the 6 boot floppies in the correct way.

======================================================================

 

[Guest]

Hi again,
I believe I took care of the good quality of diskettes
and all that. I will remake the diskettes and see. If the
diskettes are supposed to boot the computer, I must find
out what prevents them from booting it, though I do not
believe it's the diskettes themselves since I followed
the instructions of the file that makes them.
I still have the option of getting into full Recovery.
This HP Pavillion has the option to carry out a full
restore, and the first screen does give me access to that.
But, of course, I would lose data because this procedure
reformats the HD. So I'm trying not to do that.
As to the general condition of the machine, it's brand
new and hardware seems to be working fine. We have a
warranty, but I do not take my computers to a technician
when it's software problem: they usually re-format and
don't care about your data.
Thanks

-----Original Message-----



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1. Make sure you have 6 GOOD floppy disks. By that I mean 6 Brand New floppies -
not 6 floppies that have been laying around in some drawer for the last 5 years.

2. You need to become more aware of what is going on with your computer.
It is YOUR responsibility to know if your XP OS has SP1 installed or not.

3. You downloaded winxpsp1_en_hom_bf.exe right? When you double clicked on it,
did it prompt you to start inserting the floppy disks? If yes, and you followed along
and it appeared to be creating the disks and then they

did not work, I can only assume

that the floppy disks are no good. As far as I know,

this should still work even if you

are using a Windows 98 computer, although I will

admit, I don't have first hand experience

with actually doing that.

4. The importance of using the XP Home 6 boot floppies with or without SP1 is so that
you do not get blocked by the built in Administrator

account password (probably blank)

prompt once you successfully boot from the floppies

and try to access Recovery Console.

5. Unfortunately, it sounds like you may have to take

this system to a shop or hire a

tech to come to your house to work on it.

==========================================================
============

Another thought -

Is the boot sequence in your BIOS settings set to have

the Floppy drive as the first boot device?

In my opinion the best boot order is:

1. Floppy

2. CDROM (may show as ATAPI CDROM)

3, Hard Drive (may show as HDD-0)

Does the floppy drive light appear to activate when

you have the first boot floppy in it?