Bootable XP Flash Drive?

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(PeteCresswell)

Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.

Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs
are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application
needed to copy the DVDs in question.

Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC
could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question
could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a
library PC instead of having to bring my own.

I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an
issue.

Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....

Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?
 
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Paul

(PeteCresswell) said:
Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.

Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs
are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application
needed to copy the DVDs in question.

Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC
could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question
could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a
library PC instead of having to bring my own.

I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an
issue.

Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....

Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?

Check the card catalog for "A Hackers Guide To Breaking
Into Library Computers" :)

This article is a bit tongue-in-cheek, because the library computer
could be *very* locked down. As in, no USB boot, no floppy boot,
no CD boot, hard drive boot only, BIOS password protected,
chassis door with Kensington lock (to prevent CMOS reset), etc.

http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Whatever-You-Want-on-Library-Computers

It wouldn't be much of a library, if they
left the USB boot option enabled.

If I was going to take a portable OS for testing,
I'd take a Linux pen drive. And ideally, a distro
that doesn't "beep" its name when it starts up.
I'm sure the Head Librarian has heard the sound
of the Ubuntu welcome sound in the library before.
And she'll rouse the bouncers, to toss you
out of the joint.

Paul
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Paul:
This article is a bit tongue-in-cheek, because the library computer
could be *very* locked down. As in, no USB boot, no floppy boot,
no CD boot, hard drive boot only, BIOS password protected,
chassis door with Kensington lock (to prevent CMOS reset), etc.

http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Whatever-You-Want-on-Library-Computers

Sounds like this is a sore subject with librarians - and I don't want to
rattle anybody's cage..... so I'll just keep on lugging my own hardware.
 
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Andy

Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.



Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs

are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application

needed to copy the DVDs in question.



Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC

could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question

could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a

library PC instead of having to bring my own.



I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an

issue.



Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....



Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?

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Pete Cresswell



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Tip:

Don't post an upcoming robbery. :)
 
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Paul

(PeteCresswell) said:
Per Paul:

Sounds like this is a sore subject with librarians - and I don't want to
rattle anybody's cage..... so I'll just keep on lugging my own hardware.

A laptop with a DVD burner, Wifi, plus a comfy Library chair, should be
all you need.

BTW - I think our city is installing a porn filter on the library
setup. That'll cut down the bookings for library computers, a *lot*.
Now, there'll only be saints and choir boys there :) And
hardly any need for burly bouncers.

Paul
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Paul:
A laptop with a DVD burner, Wifi, plus a comfy Library chair, should be
all you need.

That's what I've been using - and it works. Full-sized Sony Vaio and a
full-sized DVD burner in a USB wrapper. (the laptop's burner is too
slow)

But when I ride my bike to the library, I have to take my netbook and an
itty-bitty drive - the combination of which takes over an hour to rip a
DVD. The Laptop/full-sized drive takes about 20 minutes. My
desktop takes more like 5-10.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Andy:
Are you aware you are breaking several federal laws ?

Tip:

Don't post an upcoming robbery. :)

I'm guessing the subject is copyright-protected DVDs.

But there are others....
 
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VanguardLH

(PeteCresswell) said:
Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.

Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs
are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application
needed to copy the DVDs in question.

Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC
could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question
could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a
library PC instead of having to bring my own.

I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an
issue.

Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....

Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want us to help you pirate
movies on DVDs from your library. Is that correct?

Rather than lugging your computer to the library, why not lug the DVDs
(lots of them at once) to your home to then read and copy on your
computer while at home? They don't let you take home the movie DVDs?
 
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VanguardLH

Paul said:
BTW - I think our city is installing a porn filter on the library
setup. That'll cut down the bookings for library computers, a *lot*.
Now, there'll only be saints and choir boys there :) And
hardly any need for burly bouncers.

Um, public libraries paid with tax dollars dole out porn movie DVDs?
Pete didn't say he was downloading porn through his library's Internet
connection. He says he's illegally copying DVDs he gets at the library.

As for censoring the Internet connection, there are lots of such
censorware or services available. Websense comes to mind because I've
worked at companies that use it. The company traffic goes through their
proxy which the company can decide what filters to enable to block "bad"
content. Another is to use OpenDNS that lets its users add filters to
block categories of content. Yep, your tax dollars hard at work keeping
the male library goers from later jerking off in private.
 
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Paul

VanguardLH said:
Um, public libraries paid with tax dollars dole out porn movie DVDs?
Pete didn't say he was downloading porn through his library's Internet
connection. He says he's illegally copying DVDs he gets at the library.

As for censoring the Internet connection, there are lots of such
censorware or services available. Websense comes to mind because I've
worked at companies that use it. The company traffic goes through their
proxy which the company can decide what filters to enable to block "bad"
content. Another is to use OpenDNS that lets its users add filters to
block categories of content. Yep, your tax dollars hard at work keeping
the male library goers from later jerking off in private.

No, this is a policy about the library Internet connection.

At one time, the city council said "we won't filter the library
Internet connection, because that would violate some notion
of free speech". So the library didn't have a parental filter or
any other kind of filter.

But just recently, I notice someone had a change of heart,
and decided enough was enough. So now all the libraries
will have (slightly) filtered Internet content. Now, if
a student wants to read a health-related article, is there
a danger the filter could stop it ? Only time will tell.

Our libraries do stock some DVDs, but I've never bothered
to see what the titles are. I doubt it would be anything
too racy. I don't think the librarian purposely goes
looking for trouble.

Paul
 
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VanguardLH

Paul said:
No, this is a policy about the library Internet connection.

At one time, the city council said "we won't filter the library
Internet connection, because that would violate some notion
of free speech". So the library didn't have a parental filter or
any other kind of filter.

But just recently, I notice someone had a change of heart,
and decided enough was enough. So now all the libraries
will have (slightly) filtered Internet content. Now, if
a student wants to read a health-related article, is there
a danger the filter could stop it ? Only time will tell.

Our libraries do stock some DVDs, but I've never bothered
to see what the titles are. I doubt it would be anything
too racy. I don't think the librarian purposely goes
looking for trouble.

Paul

Censoring is probably their pro-active elimination of legal liability
for providing a channel for porn to reach underage kids. Despite their
fascade of protecting kids, their real intent is to circumvent lawsuits.
Setting up accounts at the library regulated via adult permission as to
what can be received over the Internet connection would be more work to
setup and maintain, so they'll just use global censoring on all Internet
traffice generated by their patrons.

When several newsgroup providers decided to drop some or all binary
groups, they used the NY attorney's threat (never exercised) that
targeted just one ISP about them being a conduit for kiddie porn.
Rather than incur the risk of a lawsuit, especially an avalanche of them
should one succeed, and because they generated no revenue from providing
Usenet access along with almost no loss in revenue from users that not
only threatened to leave but actually did leave, it was a easy choice to
drop newsgroups. The libraries don't need lawsuits, frivilous or not,
about them providing a conduit for porn to underage kids. It'll also
probably reduce how many times some malware nails one of their
workstations. It's probably not just porn that will get blocked. Parked
domains, hate groups, human sexuality, and other content that parents in
general don't want their kids to see will be added.

At an old workplace, we had a guy that was downloading tons of porn.
Nobody wanted to touch his keyboard (you know why) when he was gone on
vacation or on sick leave to cover for his work tasks. His (and later
my) manager knew about this activity which was against company policy
because it can tarnish the company's image and reputation, put content
on their network and workstations that is not work-related and often
illegal, and could carry malware. I found out when this guy got fired
and I had to retrieve data off his hard disks and get past passwords on
files. We trashed his keyboard and desk chair before I worked on his
workstation (yeah, it was that bad). Not until this a-hole starting
printing out his porn using the company printer and toner and going
through many reams of company paper per night did the manager finally
fire this guy. His porn addiction was costing the company too much
money and his behavior was risky to the company. Despite he got his
work tasks completed on time, the manager decided it was time to
eliminate this gross behavior. He was the Software Librarian. Stuff
that took him 3 days, or more to complete, I'd get done in under 2 hours
along with all my other QA work.

Later that company employed Websense. Since I was in the Software QA
department and needed to do research on software used in our products or
bundled from 3rd parties, like getting help on it or to understand it to
write effective test cases against it, I'd run into some sites that were
censored. Usually it was some personal web site on a domain that got
blocked. The domain was blocked, not the help site there. Sometimes a
domain was incorrectly categorized. I'd have to issue a request through
IT to get an exclusion added on the domain (if I could show it was safe
and okay for content) or add an exclusion for myself. Never had a
problem getting the exclusions. Eventually the IT folks just gave me a
direct line to Websense to request changes to filters or rules in the
company's account.

By that point, I knew they were watching everyone's traffic, too. Once
in awhile I'd test their level of monitoring and add something in an
external communication that triggered off their keyword list and soon
after got a call from the IT folks. Heh heh, got you again. We were
friends but they were required to do these follow-up calls. I never
apologized for these trigger traps. It was a funny way to spur a phone
call and then see if they'd like to go out with our lunch crew.
 
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Paul

VanguardLH said:
Censoring is probably their pro-active elimination of legal liability
for providing a channel for porn to reach underage kids. Despite their
fascade of protecting kids, their real intent is to circumvent lawsuits.
Setting up accounts at the library regulated via adult permission as to
what can be received over the Internet connection would be more work to
setup and maintain, so they'll just use global censoring on all Internet
traffice generated by their patrons.

When several newsgroup providers decided to drop some or all binary
groups, they used the NY attorney's threat (never exercised) that
targeted just one ISP about them being a conduit for kiddie porn.
Rather than incur the risk of a lawsuit, especially an avalanche of them
should one succeed, and because they generated no revenue from providing
Usenet access along with almost no loss in revenue from users that not
only threatened to leave but actually did leave, it was a easy choice to
drop newsgroups. The libraries don't need lawsuits, frivilous or not,
about them providing a conduit for porn to underage kids. It'll also
probably reduce how many times some malware nails one of their
workstations. It's probably not just porn that will get blocked. Parked
domains, hate groups, human sexuality, and other content that parents in
general don't want their kids to see will be added.

At an old workplace, we had a guy that was downloading tons of porn.
Nobody wanted to touch his keyboard (you know why) when he was gone on
vacation or on sick leave to cover for his work tasks. His (and later
my) manager knew about this activity which was against company policy
because it can tarnish the company's image and reputation, put content
on their network and workstations that is not work-related and often
illegal, and could carry malware. I found out when this guy got fired
and I had to retrieve data off his hard disks and get past passwords on
files. We trashed his keyboard and desk chair before I worked on his
workstation (yeah, it was that bad). Not until this a-hole starting
printing out his porn using the company printer and toner and going
through many reams of company paper per night did the manager finally
fire this guy. His porn addiction was costing the company too much
money and his behavior was risky to the company. Despite he got his
work tasks completed on time, the manager decided it was time to
eliminate this gross behavior. He was the Software Librarian. Stuff
that took him 3 days, or more to complete, I'd get done in under 2 hours
along with all my other QA work.

Later that company employed Websense. Since I was in the Software QA
department and needed to do research on software used in our products or
bundled from 3rd parties, like getting help on it or to understand it to
write effective test cases against it, I'd run into some sites that were
censored. Usually it was some personal web site on a domain that got
blocked. The domain was blocked, not the help site there. Sometimes a
domain was incorrectly categorized. I'd have to issue a request through
IT to get an exclusion added on the domain (if I could show it was safe
and okay for content) or add an exclusion for myself. Never had a
problem getting the exclusions. Eventually the IT folks just gave me a
direct line to Websense to request changes to filters or rules in the
company's account.

By that point, I knew they were watching everyone's traffic, too. Once
in awhile I'd test their level of monitoring and add something in an
external communication that triggered off their keyword list and soon
after got a call from the IT folks. Heh heh, got you again. We were
friends but they were required to do these follow-up calls. I never
apologized for these trigger traps. It was a funny way to spur a phone
call and then see if they'd like to go out with our lunch crew.

We had systems like that too.

All the hard drives were scanned, probably during the evening.
They would check /tmp on the Unix machines (amongst other places).
I think that's where the offending material was found in one
of our cases. The Unix machines stayed powered 24/7, so it was
easy to do the scanning any time they wanted.

And the corporate policy was pretty clear. No wishy-washy implementation.
We'd have tech students on work terms, who'd get fired. They were
told during their entry interview, about the absolutely no porn rule,
so it's not like they didn't know there was a rule. It's something
you signed off on, on your first day. But I guess some
techies think they'll never get caught. The manager who the
student reported to, would get a report the next day, and after
that, the "system was on automatic". Out the door you go.

*******

As for our library, I don't think it was the kids themselves
causing the problem. It was the scenario where an innocent kid
walks behind one of the computer cubicles while some other
individual has some of that stuff displayed on the screen.
It's the "shoulder surfing" problem. That's what the policy is for.
I don't think it was necessarily kids coming to the library for
that specific purpose. None of the computer setups are that
private. You could be using a computer, with a main aisle
behind your back. And anybody could walk by.

Paul
 
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micky

A laptop with a DVD burner, Wifi, plus a comfy Library chair, should be
all you need.

BTW - I think our city is installing a porn filter on the library
setup.

How does that work. It only lets the porn through?
 
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micky

Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.

Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs
are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application
needed to copy the DVDs in question.

Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC
could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question
could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a
library PC instead of having to bring my own.

I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an
issue.

Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....

Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?

If they're going to let you use the USB port, why run a different OS.
Just get a portable version of the program you use, I'm not even
sure it has to be designed for the library's OS. Some programs don't
care about OS.

And can't most versions of most programs be treated as portable
versions, unlesss there's some special problem?

Most of what I do is with Eudora for mail and Agent for newsgroups,
and neither of those have to be installed. I'm sure they're portable
even though no one considered such things when they were first
written. And every file can be on the flashdrive.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per micky:
Just get a portable version of the program you use, I'm not even
sure it has to be designed for the library's OS. Some programs don't
care about OS.

And can't most versions of most programs be treated as portable
versions, unlesss there's some special problem?

Most of what I do is with Eudora for mail and Agent for newsgroups,
and neither of those have to be installed. I'm sure they're portable
even though no one considered such things when they were first
written. And every file can be on the flashdrive.

That's a totally new concept for me.

The library thing aside, I've got to look into that.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per CRNG:
If they ever found me trying to boot one of
their computers from a USB drive they would take my library card.

That's why I'm abandoning the idea. Didn't realize it was such a sore
point with the libraries.
 
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Paul

(PeteCresswell) said:
Per CRNG:

That's why I'm abandoning the idea. Didn't realize it was such a sore
point with the libraries.

Just about anything can happen to those machines.
The librarian has undoubtedly seen and heard it all.

What amazed me, is the computers the library had
the last time I visited, they weren't that old. I
was expecting to find Pentium III machines, getting
the value from the machine by holding onto it
forever. But the machines, I think they had a Core2
duo in them. The hard drive, on the other hand,
sounded like a bucket of bolts. Maybe they kept
the hard drives from the old computers :)

Yesterday, I took a look online, at what DVD
titles my library had. And the offering was
pretty bland. They have a copy of "The Godfather",
and the queue to borrow that one is about 67 deep.
Plenty of other material, isn't worth borrowing.
Some of it, looks like stuff you'd find in a
DVD delete bin (the kind of movies that never
made it to a theater, and went straight to DVD).

So it's not exactly a replacement for Netflix
or Redbox.

Paul
 
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philo 

Sometimes I go to a library where I copy DVDs.

Right now, I'm bringing my own PC because, of course, the library PCs
are all locked down and aren't running the specialized application
needed to copy the DVDs in question.

Is there any hope for me creating a flash drive/USB stick that a PC
could boot XP from? The idea being that the application in question
could be installed on the flash drive's instance of XP and I could use a
library PC instead of having to bring my own.

I've got several unused XP licenses, so licensing would not (?) be an
issue.

Drivers? XP's installer seems to deal with the issue....

Is this worth pursuing, or am I trying to fool Mother Nature?



XP is not designed to run from a USB stick. There is a very complicated
hack I read about somewhere but it would be way more trouble than it's
worth.

OTOH: A bootable USB stick is easy to do with Linux
 

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