Bootable BART CD problem

[Wannabe A+]

Because of this note on the Symantec web site at
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/pfdocs/2001090715331006 I
started to look for an alternative to NAV:

* Rescue is not available for Windows NT/2000/XP platforms. The Rescue
feature of Norton AntiVirus is available under Windows 95/98/Me only.
Rescue requires that the computer be restarted in MS-DOS mode, which is not
available under Windows NT/2000/XP. This means that, if you are running
Norton AntiVirus on Windows NT; Windows 2000; or Windows XP, the Norton
AntiVirus interface does not contain an option for creating a Rescue disk
set or to start the Rescue Disk Wizard.
* Rescue is not available on Norton AntiVirus 2005.

I have a floppy containing CHECK IT PE that boots one of my XP machines in
DOS mode so I am puzzled by the Symantec note???

I have another XP machine that won't boot a floppy because it does not have
a floppy drive. Instead of a floppy drive I opted for a second hard
drive--it allows me to easily/quickly Ghost backup/restore my C: drive from
the F: drive. (I'm sick of tape, zip, and CD backups).

Because this second XP machine does not have a floppy drive I really need a
bootable CD AV and recovery tool. So; I found avast! BART CD at
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_bart_cd.html and set about creating a
bootable BART CD. I have followed all of the instructions but the CD will
not boot. My BIOS boot order is 1. CD ROM, and 2. Hard Disk. I can boot
from my SystemWorks CD.

I do not have NERO so I used Roxio EZ CD to create the boot disk from
image. It does not work and I do not know why. Anyone have experience with
BART CD? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Wannabe A+

 

[GSV Three Minds in a Can]

Because of this note on the Symantec web site at
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/pfdocs/2001090715331006 I
started to look for an alternative to NAV:

* Rescue is not available for Windows NT/2000/XP platforms. The Rescue
feature of Norton AntiVirus is available under Windows 95/98/Me only.
Rescue requires that the computer be restarted in MS-DOS mode, which is not
available under Windows NT/2000/XP. This means that, if you are running
Norton AntiVirus on Windows NT; Windows 2000; or Windows XP, the Norton
AntiVirus interface does not contain an option for creating a Rescue disk
set or to start the Rescue Disk Wizard.
* Rescue is not available on Norton AntiVirus 2005.

I have a floppy containing CHECK IT PE that boots one of my XP machines in
DOS mode so I am puzzled by the Symantec note???

You can boot an XP machine in DOS mode - just use a Win95/8/Me (Dos6 or
whatever) boot floppy/CD. You can boot an XP machine in Linux mode
(which is what Memtest86 does).

The problem is that you can't boot =XP itself= in DOS mode, and if you
boot DOS6 (or any other version of DOS) you'll find it can't read/write
NTFS formatted disks, which is what most of the (sane) world uses under
XP.

There are free NTFS reading utilities available, but no free NTFS
writing utility, afaik. Presumably Symantec are too cheap to buy a
distribution license for one of the 'please pay' NTFS systems.

 

[Wannabe A+]

You can boot an XP machine in DOS mode - just use a Win95/8/Me (Dos6 or
whatever) boot floppy/CD. You can boot an XP machine in Linux mode
(which is what Memtest86 does).

The problem is that you can't boot =XP itself= in DOS mode, and if you
boot DOS6 (or any other version of DOS) you'll find it can't read/write
NTFS formatted disks, which is what most of the (sane) world uses under
XP.

There are free NTFS reading utilities available, but no free NTFS
writing utility, afaik. Presumably Symantec are too cheap to buy a
distribution license for one of the 'please pay' NTFS systems.

Thank you for clarifying that.

Wannabe A+

 

[Lenster]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:30:12 -0400, Wannabe A+

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Because this second XP machine does not have a floppy drive I really need a
bootable CD AV and recovery tool. So; I found avast! BART CD at
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_bart_cd.html and set about creating a
bootable BART CD. I have followed all of the instructions but the CD will
not boot. My BIOS boot order is 1. CD ROM, and 2. Hard Disk. I can boot
from my SystemWorks CD.

I do not have NERO so I used Roxio EZ CD to create the boot disk from
image. It does not work and I do not know why. Anyone have experience with
BART CD? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Wannabe A+

I just downloaded the BART beta. Installed it, created an ISO image
and burned it using UltraISO. It booted fine. I ran the virus checker
on my C drive and I entered some of the other functions just to look
at them.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but if you have ultraiso, load it
and under the "bootable" menu, select "extract boot file from cd/dvd"
If that works, it would indicate that you indeed have a bootable cd.



Lenster

 

[xmp]

You can use cmd.exe as a shell, but it's still not MSDOS.

sysinternals.com has a free NTFS read driver for Win 9x and DOS. Linux
captive driver should do NTFS read/write. I'm still skeptical of the
regular ntfs.o driver for writing.

michael

 

[Conny]

Because of this note on the Symantec web site at
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/pfdocs/2001090715331006 I
started to look for an alternative to NAV:

* Rescue is not available for Windows NT/2000/XP platforms. The Rescue

----------------SNIP-------------------------------------

Get PE-Builder from http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ you can add whatever you
want. It also have virus update to a RAM-disk.. Reads NTFS ,I also added
'explore2fs' so I can read Linux partitions .

 

[Conny]

Thank you for clarifying that.

Wannabe A+

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

 

[Wannabe A+]

I just downloaded the BART beta. Installed it, created an ISO image
and burned it using UltraISO. It booted fine. I ran the virus checker
on my C drive and I entered some of the other functions just to look
at them.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but if you have ultraiso, load it
and under the "bootable" menu, select "extract boot file from cd/dvd"
If that works, it would indicate that you indeed have a bootable cd.

After your success I was inspired to look at my PC as a possible cause. The
problem was that my Dell PC BIOS "Fast Boot" was set to on, setting it to
off fixed the problem. Who da thunk it? Most likely the system was booting
up before the CD was ready and so it used the hard drive. To test for this
condition I pressed the "Pause" key before the boot process and waited for
the "boot from CD" prompt. The "Pause" key worked so I checked my BIOS
settings for fast boot = on, boot delay = off, or power on delay = off.

I ran RART AV scan, registry cleaner, junk file remover, and disk checker.
It removed a lot of registry entries and files, and on the C: drive found a
free space marked as allocated in the MFT bitmap. None of this was detected
by Systemworks in a previous run.

 

[Wannabe A+]

----------------SNIP-------------------------------------

Get PE-Builder from http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ you can add whatever you
want. It also have virus update to a RAM-disk.. Reads NTFS ,I also added
'explore2fs' so I can read Linux partitions .

Thanks, pebuilder is on my list.

Anyone running Win XP and Trend Micro, Symantec, or any other store-bought
AV software (that is a lot of people) should be concerned with their lack
of a rescue disk. The 2005 Norton AV will no longer support rescue disks so
in the future this problem may also affect Win 9X/me systems.