Backup solution

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mike

Hi,

Since we have a lot of family pictures on our pc I don't want to loose
them if my disk crashes. My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.

All hints are appreciated.

cheers,

//mikael
 
mike said:
Hi,

Since we have a lot of family pictures on our pc I don't want to loose
them if my disk crashes. My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.

All hints are appreciated.

cheers,

//mikael

Get yourself a 2.5" laptop disk and an external USB case. This
would enable you to copy all your important documents to that
disk, preferably once every week or so. You could use a batch
file to automate the process - post again if you need any further
assistance.

Remember to keep the USB disk in a different place at all times
except while backing up files.
 
Burn the photos to CD or DVD.

A second harddrive or even an external harddrive would be just as prone to
catastrophic failure as the main drive. Some types of hardware failure in
the computer could take out both harddrives at the same time. External
drives can fail on their own, as happened to me recently with an external
drive that was less than 2 years old. Luckily it was only the electronics in
the external enclosure that failed and the data on the drive itself was
still intact, but the possibility of having lost everything in an instant
was there.
 
After working for many years with hard disks (internal and
external) and with CDs and DVDs, I find that the long-term
reliability of burnt CDs and DVDs leaves a lot to be desired.
On numerous occasions have I seen such CDs and DVDs
becoming partly or wholly unreadable after a few years,
regardless of which burner they were created on. Initially
each an every one of them was readable but they deteriorated
over time while stored in their sleeves in air-conditioned offices.
 
There isn't a perfect solution. Negatives and prints also have a limited
lifespan. It is pretty much a given that all harddrives will fail though, it
is only a matter of when. I have some that still worked after 20 years,
others that have failed within the first year. In the early days even some
pressed CDs degraded prematurely because the aluminum layer wasn't sealed at
the edge of the discs and the aluminum oxidized.

Technology constantly changes however. The anticipated lifespan of CDR
media these days is 75 years, with some manufacturers (eg TDK, others)
offering 100 year archival lifespan warranties. Cheap DVDs may degrade after
20-30 years or you can buy some instead that have a rated life span of 100
years. For the few pennies each that it costs for DVD media it's no big deal
to make redundant copies of important data. Who knows what the alternative
storage medium will be 20 years from now.
 
Per mike:
My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.

All hints are appreciated.

Multiple external hard drives.... at least 3, preferably 4-5...
and rotate them to that one is always somewhere else.

I want at least one tb immediately unavailable in hopes that
it'll dawn on me that a given card has gone bad and is frying
drives as I connect them before I retrieve that particular drive.

Also distinguish between simple file copies and a backup
database.

The problem with simple file copies is that individual files can
become corrupted/deleted and you'll never know until you try to
open a problem file. You can still copy corrupted files into a
backup DB... and they'll still be corrupted... but the odds are
better for preserving files with a DB. Less convenient... but
safer.
 
mike said:
Hi,

Since we have a lot of family pictures on our pc I don't want to loose
them if my disk crashes. My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.

All hints are appreciated.

cheers,

//mikael

My advice is to back up to at least 2 external devices. Do not rely on just
one back up.
 
The same thing happened to me recently. The trouble was that I could find no
way to access the files on the external hard drive. Fortunately, everything
was still on my C: drive, so nothing was lost. But I would appreciaate it if
you could explain to me in simple language how you managed to deal with the
problem and get to your files.
 
Sometimes you can access files stored on a marginal
CD by trying different CD drives. At other times you
can't.
 
When I worked in the mainframe world, we used tapes for our backups.
Immediately after creating the tapes, we would read them to make sure
they were good (the few failures were discarded as trash), and the
verified tapes never failed that I recall. Multi-million dollar
installations relied on this technology to hold true and, in a few
cases, it saved the day (after a storm or natural calamity).

Are there any affordable tape drives and good solid tape diskettes
that can be viewed by XP as "removable storage"? I don't know but I
think I'll google that and see what is available these days.
 
surface9 said:
When I worked in the mainframe world, we used tapes for our backups.
Immediately after creating the tapes, we would read them to make sure
they were good (the few failures were discarded as trash), and the
verified tapes never failed that I recall. Multi-million dollar
installations relied on this technology to hold true and, in a few
cases, it saved the day (after a storm or natural calamity).

Are there any affordable tape drives and good solid tape diskettes
that can be viewed by XP as "removable storage"? I don't know but I
think I'll google that and see what is available these days.

I worked for a company that had over 250,000 tapes archived, some were
irreplaceable at any price (say seismic data from Viet Nam or the Red Sea).
These tape were stored in a climate-controlled warehouse and a crew of 16
spent their days rewinding tapes to re-tension them and copying tapes at the
five-year intervals.

As for using tapes for long-term storage, nah.

The tapes I'm talking about, 2400-ft reels, could hold maybe 30 megabytes.
Maybe they've gotten better, but I don't think tape could even approach the
packing density of disks.
 
Hi,

Since we have a lot of family pictures on our pc I don't want to loose
them if my disk crashes. My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.


I strongly urge you *not* to do as you suggest. A second internal
drive is better than no backup at all, but just barely. Read my
standard message on backup below for more info on this:

First of all, almost everyone should be backing up regularly. It is
always possible that a hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning
strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer, can cause the loss
of everything on your drive. As has often been said, it's not a matter
of whether you will have such a problem, but when.

Essentially you should back up what you can't afford to lose--what you
can't readily recreate. What that is depends on how you use your
computer and what you use it for.

It takes time and effort to backup, but it also takes time and effort
to recreate lost data. If you back up daily, you should never have to
recreate more than one day's worth of last data. If weekly, there's
potentially a lot more to recreate. You should assess how much pain
and trouble you would have if you lost x days of data, and then choose
a backup frequency that doesn't involve more pain and trouble than
that you would have if you had to recreate what was lost.

Some things (photographs, for instance) can never be recreated, and
more frequent backup may be wanted for them.

At one extreme is the professional user who would likely go out of
business if his data was lost. He probably needs to back up at least
daily. At the other extreme is the kid who doesn't use his computer
except to play games. He probably needs no backup at all, since worst
case he can easily reinstall his games.

Most of us fall somewhere between those extremes, but nobody can tell
you where you fall; you need to determine that for yourself.

Should you back up Windows? Should you back up your applications? Most
people will tell you no, since you can always reinstall these easily
from the original media. But I don't think the answer is so clear-cut.
Many people have substantial time and effort invested in customizing
Windows and configuring their apps to work the way they want to.
Putting all of that back the way it was can be a difficult,
time-consuming effort. Whether you should backup up Windows and apps
depends, once again, on you.

How to backup? What software to use? There are many choices, including
the Windows-supplied backup program. Which choice is best for you
depends at least in part on the answers to some of the questions
above.

Finally what backup media should you choose, and how should it be
stored? There are many choices, including CDs, tape, zip drives, and
second hard drives.

I don't recommend backup to a second non-removable hard drive because
it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and
backup to many of the most common dangers: severe power glitches,
nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept
in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the
life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple
generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be
stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme
uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two,
and use Acronis True Image to make a complete copy of the primary
drive.

I also use a pair of 1GB thumb drives for making more frequent backups
of my most critical data (like financial information). For that I just
drag and drop.
 
Nothing high tech about it, I just took the drive out of its enclosure. I
put the drive into a different external enclosure and it ran like normal. I
actually found the tip online as numerous people had exactly the same thing
happen to their Maxtor OneTouch drives. Some put the salvaged harddrive into
their PC as a slave to recover the data after removing it from the dead
external case. I already had a smaller drive in an aftermarket AcomData
enclosure so I just swapped the small drive out and put the larger Maxtor
in.
 
surface9 said:
When I worked in the mainframe world, we used tapes for our backups.
Immediately after creating the tapes, we would read them to make sure
they were good (the few failures were discarded as trash), and the
verified tapes never failed that I recall. Multi-million dollar
installations relied on this technology to hold true and, in a few
cases, it saved the day (after a storm or natural calamity).

Are there any affordable tape drives and good solid tape diskettes
that can be viewed by XP as "removable storage"? I don't know but I
think I'll google that and see what is available these days.

Current PC-based backup tapes are notorious for being
a) Slow to back up
b) Prone to fail when backing up
c) Very slow to restore
d) Not dependable when restoring.
While I was never involved in the maintenance of mainframe-
based backup tapes, HeyBub's report sounds a lot more factual
than yours. Our IBM mainframe disks used to fail frequently and
reason says that the tapes were worse than the disks because
reading them involved physical contact between the tape and the
reading head.

Another point to consider: Tapes are sequential. When the
beginning of a tape is unreadable then the whole tape is unreadable.
When a disk cluster is unreadable then the rest of the disk remains
readable in most cases.
 
First of all, almost everyone should be backing up regularly. It is
always possible that a hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning
strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer, can cause the loss
of everything on your drive. As has often been said, it's not a matter
of whether you will have such a problem, but when.

Don't forget fire, flood, and earthquake. You mentioned theft; one of our
customers got burglarized three times in ten days! Every time the goblins
took the computer and everything on the desk.

Then there's the non-trivial possibility of outright malice by a trusted
relative, friend, or employee. We had another customer whose backup diskette
was gnawed to death by a puppy.

One part of the backup scheme is to get the backups as far from the source
as possible. You can email yourself at Gmail and include attachements (up to
2+Gigs of storage space) for free.

Two backups are better than one - that's why skydivers have two parachutes.
 
Hi,

Since we have a lot of family pictures on our pc I don't want to loose
them if my disk crashes. My idea is to add another disk and then use
some open source software to backup my original disk. I have Windows
Xp on my computer.

All hints are appreciated.

cheers,

//mikael

Adding another drive or backing up to another computer will work, but
it is best to burn a DVD, less expensive too.
 
After working for many years with hard disks (internal and
external) and with CDs and DVDs, I find that the long-term
reliability of burnt CDs and DVDs leaves a lot to be desired.
On numerous occasions have I seen such CDs and DVDs
becoming partly or wholly unreadable after a few years,
regardless of which burner they were created on. Initially
each an every one of them was readable but they deteriorated
over time while stored in their sleeves in air-conditioned offices.

Really?! I've burned hundreds of disks over the years and have not
come across any that were not readable. There are quality differences
in brands. I make a copy of the most important disks and store one
copy off-site.
 
Performing full backups to DVD is ridiculous in any real-world situation. An
external HD is the cheapest (cheaper than DVDs, for sure) and best way to
go. Get two and rotate them, with one stored off site.

However, for important files like the ones OP mentioned, creating one or two
sets of CDs or DVDs to keep them safe is a good idea. Make two sets that are
never used, stored in different locations. Make another one or more sets to
pass around and use daily, etc.
 
Don't forget fire, flood, and earthquake.


OK, but I tried to mention some fairly common *examples* of things
that could happen, not make an exhaustive list. If you want a longer
list, add tornados, airplanes crashing into your house, large
meteorites falling on it, etc.

You mentioned theft; one of our
customers got burglarized three times in ten days! Every time the goblins
took the computer and everything on the desk.

Then there's the non-trivial possibility of outright malice by a trusted
relative, friend, or employee.


That, of course, depends at least in part on where your computer is
located, and who has physical access to it. For some people it's
clearly much more of an issue that for others.

We had another customer whose backup diskette
was gnawed to death by a puppy.


Again, I don't think an exhaustive list is necessary. A few common
examples successfully make the point.
 

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