ATI CCC to replace Control Panel?

[schooner]

Hehe that article is so bad it isn't funny, well funny that people actually
think that is what .net is.
Carry on guys and make sure to retinfoil yer hat.

 

[schooner]

http://www.programmersheaven.com/2/FAQ-DOTNET-FrameWork-Explained

http://www.andymcm.com/dotnetfaq.htm

"What is the .NET Framework?
The Microsoft .NET Framework is a platform for building, deploying, and
running Web Services and applications. It provides a highly productive,
standards-based, multi-language environment for integrating existing
investments with next-generation applications and services as well as the
agility to solve the challenges of deployment and operation of
Internet-scale applications. The .NET Framework consists of three main
parts: the common language runtime, a hierarchical set of unified class
libraries, and a componentized version of Active Server Pages called
ASP.NET."

 

[schooner]

Exactly. They are just using .net as it is becoming the standard framework
for developing Windows applications against in a managed environment. Its
no different that the Java engine that Sun and others use as the framework
for Java applications and similar runtime environments.

 

[Rick]

"This is not a quick transition perhaps, but this is the direction
of transformation that we're describing."
-- Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/27034/27034.html

http://www.programmersheaven.com/2/FAQ-DOTNET-FrameWork-Explained

http://www.andymcm.com/dotnetfaq.htm

"What is the .NET Framework?
The Microsoft .NET Framework is a platform for building, deploying, and
running Web Services and applications. It provides a highly productive,
standards-based, multi-language environment for integrating existing
investments with next-generation applications and services as well as the
agility to solve the challenges of deployment and operation of
Internet-scale applications. The .NET Framework consists of three main
parts: the common language runtime, a hierarchical set of unified class
libraries, and a componentized version of Active Server Pages called
ASP.NET."

 

[schooner]

Is subscription software coming? Yes? From MS and a number of other
companies, mostly driven by open source projects that want to sell
subscriptions and keep the code free.
Is that what the .net framework is all about? No
The framework is just that a framework, what gets built on top of it is up
to the developers.
The framework is not a tool that locks your PC down. Get over it. The same
subscription models can exist without the framework just as easily.

"This is not a quick transition perhaps, but this is the direction
of transformation that we're describing."
-- Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/27034/27034.html

 

[schooner]

Its kinda like not buying a TV cause some cable company might use it to sell
you PPV.

To each his own, if ya don't .net it then don't install it or anything built
on it, that is your choice. Speak with your $$$, that is the easiest thing
to do. Many companies are releasing .net software so I suspect the fear of
those not using it is less and less a concern as people actually understand
what .net is, instead of listening to the anti-MS zealots that like to
spread misinformation.

 

[J. Clarke]

"This is not a quick transition perhaps, but this is the direction
of transformation that we're describing."
-- Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/27034/27034.html

So lets see, two years ago they gave up on their subscription based trial
and escaped from 'Strilia two steps ahead of a lynch mob, and this is a bad
thing how?

 

[J. Clarke]

What does that have to do with anything? The purpose
of .NET hasn't changed.

And you know this how?

If you want more recent references, there's no shortage of
them. Look 'em up.

Why don't you present a few that actually demonstrate that some feature
of .NET that supportst your argument.

Again, not relevant. .NET is the framework necessary for
subscription-based software.

Huh? Microsoft seemed to be able to distribute subscription-based software
just fine several years ago.

I never said .NET is intended to prevent end user hardware
upgrades. Those design specs are in a different part of MS's
roadmap. I mentioned it because the philosophy is similar
to .NET.

In other words you're spreading FUD.

We're already seeing examples of it. .NET Office (as
mentioned in the link I gave),

So how does one go about subscribing to this ".NET Office"? They said that
Office 11 was going to be distributed that way among others. Well, I'm
running 11.6 and there's no subscription and if you can find a way to
obtain one please let us know. Yes, they ran a subscription based trial
and found that end-users avoided it in droves and the few that did go for
it got really mad when the subscription expired.

and third-party examples such
as products from Symantec, Adobe etc. E.g. CS and CS2
now install Macrovision's SafeCast. SafeCast supports
subscription enforcement as one of its four licensing options.

So? Macrovision is not a Microsoft subsidiary and their whole purpose to
existence is to annoy people, so what relevance do they have to .NET?

Adobe simply needs to flip a software switch and Photoshop,
Illustrator etc. will no longer run without calling home and
forcing users to pay a subscription fee.

At which point they will tell Adobe to go screw themselves just as the
customers in Microsoft's subscription-based trial did when their software
quit working at the end of a year. And Corel laughs all the way to the
bank. And if those customers were not informed before purchase that they
were being provided a subscription-based product then by the time the
lawyers are done with them the executives responsible for the decision, as
they sit on their heating grates chugging their Ripple, will agree that
they wish that they had never _heard_ the word "subscription".

 

[Doug]

But why should I need or WANT the .NET framework installed on my computer
just for drivers? What exactly is the advantage of CCC w/.NET aside from
bloatware that doesn't ADD any functionality (for the end user that is) at
all?

 

[J. Clarke]

But why should I need or WANT the .NET framework installed on my computer
just for drivers? What exactly is the advantage of CCC w/.NET aside from
bloatware that doesn't ADD any functionality (for the end user that is) at
all?

Apparently ATI uses programmers of the same general caliber as the web
designers whose sites flash and flicker and play vast movies and make rude
noises and whatnot not because they need to but because the designer
figured that since all that stuff was there he ought to use it.

Kids in my day wanted flashy new cars--now they want flashy new APIs.

 

[NightSky 421]

Kids in my day wanted flashy new cars--now they want flashy new APIs.

LOL, ain't that the truth?

 

[Mike]

..NET is great, CCC is just crap. Bad software programming. I dont need
software that hogs all the RAM and CPU cycles

 

[Manban]

Excellent, i like your attitude. Its time for us to admit that ATI aces
NVIDIA at some things. Just because its american doesn't mean that its
better.

 

[Looker007]

Excellent, i like your attitude. Its time for us to admit that ATI aces
NVIDIA at some things. Just because its american doesn't mean that its
better.

Ati or Nvidia? FYI Nvidia may be American but the company doesn't
manufacture a single card.
Nvidia only makes video card drivers for its 3rd party video cards.
All cards using the Nvidia name are made offshore.
Got a problem with Ati NOT being American? Who would you rather have
manufacturing
video cards, you neighbours to the north or asian countries.
I support NAFTA, don't you?

 

[J. Clarke]

Ati or Nvidia? FYI Nvidia may be American but the company doesn't
manufacture a single card.
Nvidia only makes video card drivers for its 3rd party video cards.

Actually, nvidia makes GPU chips that they sell to various companies that
solder them onto boards.

All cards using the Nvidia name are made offshore.
Got a problem with Ati NOT being American? Who would you rather have
manufacturing
video cards, you neighbours to the north or asian countries.
I support NAFTA, don't you?

So ATI has quit using TSMC and built their own fab since January? Do tell.

This apparently comes as news to you but ATI and nvidia both subctontract
their chip manufacture to the same company, the Taiwan Semiconductor
Manufacturing Company. Nvidia, however, also subcontracts some of their
work to IBM. As for the boards that ATI sells, last I heard they were
being manufactured by Sapphire Technology, Limited, Unit 1912, 19/F.,
Shatin Galleria, 18-24 Shan Mei Street, Fo Tan, Shatin, N.T., Hong Kong.

 

[Manban]

hmmm, ati and nvidia makes their own boards, and also sells their
chipsets to other makers, (not just NVIDIA). But don't get offended: i
was only trying to point out that some people are american-centered,
and that Canadian or Asian companies also make great cards, but not
always better than American.

 

[Rick]

hmmm, ati and nvidia makes their own boards

Nvidia does not make their own boards.

 

[time traveler]

But why should I need or WANT the .NET framework installed on my computer
just for drivers? What exactly is the advantage of CCC w/.NET aside from
bloatware that doesn't ADD any functionality (for the end user that is) at
all?

Ok it's a year later.

How did this work out ?

I notice nvidia sells purevideo these days. Has ATI gotten
around to subscription pricing on their drivers ?

 

[Geoff]

Ok it's a year later.

How did this work out ?

I notice nvidia sells purevideo these days. Has ATI gotten
around to subscription pricing on their drivers ?

they currently make both CCC and CP versions, although they hide the CP
versions away in the website, you have to dig for it under other products
(normaly the 'pro' type ones atm)

i got cat 6.3 CP version, seems fine on my x800

 

[William]

they currently make both CCC and CP versions, although they hide the CP
versions away in the website, you have to dig for it under other products
(normaly the 'pro' type ones atm)

i got cat 6.3 CP version, seems fine on my x800

Wow - their is a non ccc driver setup available from ATI? That's good to
know. I run a x850 on 2 monitors, is CP faster than CCC, how is the support
for two monitors? I would like to end all those running apps on my system.
It always upsets me to see (what is it) 5 or 6 aps running under task
manager for CCC? I upgrade religiously, does CP keep up with its upgrades?

..NET doesn't bother me, I had to download it for NASA World Wind, and Google
Earth. But I can't figure out why ATI wants to use this bloatware. (Except
to keep an eye on me?)

I always turn off everything I can before running games, FEAR takes
everything I can through at it and it wants more. It bugs me to see 30 or
40 running programs in the background. A few less makes me happy.

William