anyone have experience with using powerquest drive image on xp?

[Picsou]

You absolutely want to have the last say, don't you?

 

[t@k]

Hi Picsou,

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general you remarked...

You absolutely want to have the last say, don't you?

Perhaps Robert's a True Image rep and get's "brownie points" for plugging
their link huh?

 

[Robert]

Hi Picsou,

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general you remarked...

Perhaps Robert's a True Image rep and get's "brownie points" for
plugging their link huh?

_______________

Hi!
I am nobody's rep. Only I needed a good backup solution that would
allow me to restore my whole system if required. I looked at all the
available offers. True Image was giving me all the features I needed
for very little money compared to the pricey "big" competitors like
Ghost or Drive Image. I also got a promotional price to boot. I have
been using True Image with XP Home and a FireWire external HD to create
images of my system for nearly a year now. Everything is working as
smoothly as could be. As far as I am concerned, booting-up from the
True Image CD would be no real hassle. In any case, I would have to
boot from the True Image CD only to restore my whole system with the
boot sectors and all. This should happen only VERY exceptionally.
Whenever I need to do a partial restore, I can use True Image from
inside Windows, i.e. there is no need to boot-up from the True Image CD.

I also don't understand why Picsou is "hating" both DI-7 and True Image
so intensely. Do you guys restore whole drives or systems so often that
booting up from a CD can become such a big deal? Normally, and barring
really big accidents, you should never have to restore whole systems.
So you might very well never have to boot-up from the DI-7 or True
Image CD. With True Image, everything can be done from inside Windows
and you would not even have to reboot into exotic software like CALDERA
DOS.

Finally I do think that there must have been problems with the Drive
Image CALDERA DOS approach. Otherwise, why would they have stopped
using it? If it had been so ideal as Picsou is making out, they would
have stuck with it.

 

[CS]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:54:35 -0800, "Robert" <> wrote:

(much of Robert's response deleted)

Finally I do think that there must have been problems with the Drive
Image CALDERA DOS approach. Otherwise, why would they have stopped
using it? If it had been so ideal as Picsou is making out, they would
have stuck with it.

Hi Robert:

Have to agree with you concerning True Image. True Image was the only
imaging program that was able to make an image of my Notebook's hard
drive and copy it to an external USB 2.0 hard drive AND was able to
restore the image without errors. A task which Drive Image 2002 was
unable to do and one which Ghost Pro 2003 could not do without errors.
Also, I might add - that BootIt Next Generation likewise could not
restore the image without errors.

I have no experience with using Drive Image 7.0, however, having to
install the MS Net Frame in order to use it, does not appeal to me.
Plus the fact that Powerquest has been bought out by Symantec (that
deal should be completed by year's end) and in my opinion we will
probably see some combination of Ghost and Drive Image in future
release from Symantec.

Regards.

 

[Picsou]

Hi Robert,
Are you happy with True Image ? Fine I am happy for you!
Can you please let me be happy with my "exotic" Drive Image 6 please ?
Thank you.

PS.
Yes I am restoring my whole system hard disk at least twice a week. That is
because I am beta-testing an awful lot of software on demand. And doing so I
have to start quite often with a completely clean system.
That is why I hate the restoration via the time-consuming CD-boot procedure
so much.

PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER TO THIS ANYMORE !
All you want to obtain is that everybody on the whole wide world agrees with
you and choose for your True Image; and I will never do, so stop wasting
your time please.

 

[I'm Dan]

...(snipped)...
I also don't understand why Picsou is "hating" both DI-7 and True
Image so intensely. Do you guys restore whole drives or systems
so often that booting up from a CD can become such a big deal?
Normally, and barring really big accidents, you should never have
to restore whole systems. So you might very well never have to
boot-up from the DI-7 or True Image CD. With True Image,
everything can be done from inside Windows and you would not
even have to reboot into exotic software like CALDERA DOS.

Finally I do think that there must have been problems with the
Drive Image CALDERA DOS approach. Otherwise, why would
they have stopped using it? If it had been so ideal as Picsou is
making out, they would have stuck with it.

Not true. There were no problems with Caldera DOS or MS-DOS. (DI 2002
would use Caldera DOS only if there was no underlying MS-DOS to the OS.)
The problem was with the perception that running these utilities from
within Windows was somehow better than running from DOS. The effort to
put a Windows front-end on what should have been a DOS-only program was
weak, at best. PQ developed DI7 because people seem to think it's
slicker to operate totally within Windows, even though it adds 80MB of
bloat to do the same job a 1.44MB floppy could do from DOS. Why is it
so hard to believe there are people who prefer the most straightforward
solution to a problem?

 

[Robert]

PS.
Yes I am restoring my whole system hard disk at least twice a week.
That is because I am beta-testing an awful lot of software on demand.
And doing so I have to start quite often with a completely clean
system. That is why I hate the restoration via the time-consuming
CD-boot procedure so much.

PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER TO THIS ANYMORE !
All you want to obtain is that everybody on the whole wide world
agrees with you and choose for your True Image; and I will never do,
so stop wasting your time please.

_______________

Hi, Picsou!
Why get so uptight about this?
I never suggested that you or anybody use True Image if they don't want
it. I was only talking of my own experience with system backups and
restore. This is what newsgroups are about, i.e. sharing experiences
and opinions.

I do a lot of beta and non-beta testing myself. I never felt the need
to restore my whole system for that reason. I use the free InCtrl5
utility to track all software installations. In this way I am getting a
complete record of the changes made by the software. Combined with the
XP system restore, it is most of the time enough to get back to a clean
system.
In case you don't know InCtrl5, it is available from
http://sbcserv.tripod.com/data/inctrl5.zip and
http://www.raukarna.com/download/Program/Test o Konfig program/Rec
ord%20registry%20change%20(inctrl5).zip

I also occasionally use the free ERUNT utility from
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt to backup and restore
the registry.

 

[t@k]

Hi "Robert" <>,

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general you remarked...

In case you don't know InCtrl5, it is available from
http://sbcserv.tripod.com/data/inctrl5.zip and
http://www.raukarna.com/download/Program/Test o Konfig program/Rec
ord%20registry%20change%20(inctrl5).zip

I also occasionally use the free ERUNT utility from
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt to backup and restore
the registry.

Kind of primitive versions of Norton Clean Sweep maybe?

 

[Robert]

Hi "Robert" <>,

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general you remarked...

Kind of primitive versions of Norton Clean Sweep maybe?

_______________

Hi!
InCtrl5 does not do any cleaning. It only creates reports. Cleaning is
done manually. Might be a primitive method but I get to know my system
through and through this way.

 

[Emalineblue]

Maybe you guys can help me, is it possible to make a Backup with
Drive Image, just after I restart my PC?
Also, do I need to close down any programs when running Drive Image?
I could'nt find any info on this, on there FAQ.

-Emmy

 

[DCC]

All you can do is try.
I have found it easier to use the 2 floppies that drive image makes when
you install it. Which you may have to do to do the system partition. ? ?
You will have to do each partition separately.
Do you have a CD burner to backup to? If so it is easiest to browse to the
CD drive to make sure it will work.
Read on the Powerquest site.

 

[Old Geek]

Not certain what you mean with "just after I restart my PC"!

Is this a brand new installation, and you want to create an image prior to
ever reaching the initial desktop? If so, yes! I do it all the time. Use the
Drive Image 2002 boot floppies.

 

[Ogden Lamont]

Drive Image 7 will work in Win XP, Drive Image 2002 will not copy the Master
Boot Record from Windows XP for system backups. This information is from
Power Quest. They now list Drive Image 2002 for Win 98, Drive Image 7 for
Win XP.

Ogden Lamont

 

[Old Geek]

And that is hogwash! Not you, but the information!

I have used Drive Image 2002 since it came out, to image my Windows XP
partition. I have restored said images dozens of times (I like to
experiment). I have never had a problem with it. But, I have ALWAYS used the
boot floppies. Trying to start from inside Windows is no good.

That being said, I also use DI 7.01 when I am with the Windows operating
system.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Drive Image 7 will work in Win XP, Drive Image 2002
will not copy the Master Boot Record from Windows XP
for system backups. This information is from Power Quest.
They now list Drive Image 2002 for Win 98, Drive Image 7
for Win XP.

Drive Image 2002 works with WinXP, and PowerQuest's
Tech Support reps have even recommended that version
when I ran into trouble with both 7.0 and 7.01 versions. I
believe that PowerQuest's website says that the 7.x versions
are "for" Windows XP, and that 2002 is "for" Windows 9x,
but they don't say that 2002 won't work with Windows XP.
The reason? Well... version 7.x costs more, for one.

*TimDaniels*

 

[CS]

Drive Image 2002 works with WinXP, and PowerQuest's
Tech Support reps have even recommended that version
when I ran into trouble with both 7.0 and 7.01 versions. I
believe that PowerQuest's website says that the 7.x versions
are "for" Windows XP, and that 2002 is "for" Windows 9x,
but they don't say that 2002 won't work with Windows XP.
The reason? Well... version 7.x costs more, for one.

*TimDaniels*

Drive Image 2002 works just fine with XP. I don't know where Ogden
Lamont got the idea that it won't copy the Master Boot Record, because
I do it at least three times a week when I backup all my systems.
As for information from Powerquest, as usual - it depends on who you
talk with.

Won't matter very much longer anyway. Soon you'll have to address
your questions to Symantec Tech Support. Might be time to look at an
alternative to Drive Image. I recommend BootIt Next Generation or if
you want something easier to use - go for True Image from Acronis.

www.terabyteunlimited.com
www.acronis.com

Regards.

 

[Ogden Lamont]

As I said, my information on 2002 not copying the Master Boot Record came
from a Power Quest tech. I was having a problem that my Win XP partition
copied to a second drive would not boot when that drive was made the master
drive. He said Drive Image 7 would do the job. I got Drive Image 7, and it
works. The copied partition will boot. Drive Image 2002 would appear to
work, but when tested failed. I tried to restore a drive image in 2002, and
it could not access my CD drive, so I could not restore. This is not a
problem with Drive Image 7. The Drive Image 7 package contains a 2002 CD
for use on Win 98, as well as the Drive Image 7 CD for Win XP. That is a
pretty clear indication of what Power Quest intends.

Ogden Lamont

 

[t@k]

Hi Ogden Lamont,

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general you remarked...

As I said, my information on 2002 not copying the Master Boot Record came
from a Power Quest tech. I was having a problem that my Win XP partition
copied to a second drive would not boot when that drive was made the master
drive. He said Drive Image 7 would do the job. I got Drive Image 7, and it
works. The copied partition will boot. Drive Image 2002 would appear to
work, but when tested failed. I tried to restore a drive image in 2002, and
it could not access my CD drive, so I could not restore. This is not a
problem with Drive Image 7. The Drive Image 7 package contains a 2002 CD
for use on Win 98, as well as the Drive Image 7 CD for Win XP. That is a
pretty clear indication of what Power Quest intends.

If you try to restore an image created by pqdi2002/v6 on a drive other than
your current os drive, you will probably get a "MISSING FILE OR CORRUPT
SYSTEM 32 HAL.DLL FOR WINDOWS XP" error. You can get around this by booting
up into XP's recovery console and repairing the boot.ini file by running
the "bootcfg" command (see help and support). You will end up with up with
two choices of os at boot up (one of which won't work), but you can edit
out the non working os option from the boot.ini file with run> msconfing
after you've got windows running.

 

[Ogden Lamont]

Recently I had a crash involving a missing boot.ini file, and I was testing
Drive Image 2002 restore to see if it could have handled the problem. I had
booted from the Drive Image Emergency disks, and the program just could not
access the CD drive to locate the image files to restore. Windows XP was
not involved. I tested Drive Image 7 in the same manner, and it accessed
the CD drive with no problem.

Ogden Lamont