Any "hack" to force Vista to hibernate?

[Mark Conrad]

Is there any known hack to force Vista Ultimate
into hibernation mode?

I suspect not, because in Vista Help there is a
statement that hibernation is no longer available.


Exact wording in Vista Help:

"This version of Windows combines standby and
hibernate into a single power-saving state
called sleep"



Later on in the same Vista Help it contradicts
itself by stating:

"Hibernate is still available as an advanced
power setting, see 'Change power management
settings'. "

When a user faithfully jumps through those
hoops, hibernate refuses to work in Vista.


Hibernate, in XP, is a state where you can have
an application open and running on the desktop,
WordPad for example.

If you hibernate in XP, it saves the present state
of the open WordPad to disk, then turns off the PC.

Turns the desktop PC completely off.


Next time you apply power to the PC, say weeks later,
WordPad opens on your desktop automatically, with the
same document half finished, just the way you left it
when you hibernated weeks earlier.

Mark-

 

[Paul Smith]

Sleep refers to a hybrid suspend/hibernate mode, the system state is written
to the hard drive, but RAM remains powered so the machine can quickly
resume.

Hybrid sleep can be disabled in the advanced power options which will
present you with the classic suspend and hibernate options in the Start
Menu.

A system using hybrid sleep can also go into hibernation after a given
amount of time to avoid running a battery down.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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[Mark Conrad]

Thanks for the tips.

In my case, the computer is a desktop machine which
I desire to remove all power from, in order to protect
the computer and my "very rural" home from the possibility
of fire during lengthy vacations. (several months)

I already had one Tripp-Lite UPS spontaneously catch
on fire - - - in that case I was lucky, because I was
in the house at the time.

I have the hardware and software needed to remotely
power-on the desktop computer from a dead cold start,
on those occasions when I need to remotely power-up
that desktop computer.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

Hi Mark,

You can see if this Hibernation shortcut will put your computer into
Hibernation if you did not clear the Hibernation file in Disk Cleanup.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/74022-hibernate.html


You should be able to setup the Power Options to set "Hibernate After"
for what you want. See Step Two step 6D.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/63567-power-options-sleep-mode-problems.html

Hope this helps,
Shawn

Wow! - greatly appreciate those links to Vista64.com

Links certainly are simple enough to comprehend.

I will try the directions there and get back here
to report what luck I had.

Thanks,

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

Hi Mark,

You can see if this Hibernation shortcut will put your computer into
Hibernation if you did not clear the Hibernation file in Disk Cleanup.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/74022-hibernate.html

Thanks Shawn, that hibernate article that did the trick.


In my case the hibernation of my Vista Ultimate shuts
my desktop computer completely off, which is what I want.

I can even unplug the main AC power to the desktop
computer, being fully confident that
no data will be destroyed.

(open app's on Vista's desktop, for example)



One small hitch still occurs that I can't figure out
how to get around.

When I later power on the desktop computer, the darn
log-on screen comes on, which of course means that
the computer can not be ran unattended.

Only with Vista, not with XP.

With XP, the log-on screen is bypassed altogether,
which is what I desire.

(on the same desktop computer, BTW)


I tried everything I could think of with Vista,
including placing the app' in the "Startup" folder
of the "Start" menu.

Can't automatically bypass the Vista log-in screen.

Is this a new wired-in security feature of the
Vista OS that can no longer be bypassed?



I hope not, I really do not want to revert to
using XP Pro, kinda getting used to Vista

Mark-

 

[f/fgeorge]

Thanks Shawn, that hibernate article that did the trick.


In my case the hibernation of my Vista Ultimate shuts
my desktop computer completely off, which is what I want.

I can even unplug the main AC power to the desktop
computer, being fully confident that
no data will be destroyed.

(open app's on Vista's desktop, for example)



One small hitch still occurs that I can't figure out
how to get around.

When I later power on the desktop computer, the darn
log-on screen comes on, which of course means that
the computer can not be ran unattended.

Only with Vista, not with XP.

With XP, the log-on screen is bypassed altogether,
which is what I desire.

(on the same desktop computer, BTW)


I tried everything I could think of with Vista,
including placing the app' in the "Startup" folder
of the "Start" menu.

Can't automatically bypass the Vista log-in screen.

Is this a new wired-in security feature of the
Vista OS that can no longer be bypassed?



I hope not, I really do not want to revert to
using XP Pro, kinda getting used to Vista

Mark-

To bypass the log on screen of XP or Vista start, run, "control
userpasswords2"(no quotes) this will bring you a screen that near the
top is a check box chosing whether to use the log on screen or not.
You MUST have the check box checked then make a choice as to the
account you want auto logged on, then uncheck the box and click apply.
You will then be prompted to type in the password, twice, and then
when you reboot no password is required.

 

[KewlToyZ]

That is a setting in the advanced power options to turn off?

 

[KewlToyZ]

But this motherboard won't stay asleep nor hibernate if I replace every
instance of sleep with hibernate.

 

[Mark Conrad]

Is this a new wired-in security feature of the
Vista OS that can no longer be bypassed?



I hope not, I really do not want to revert to
using XP Pro, kinda getting used to Vista

Mark-

To bypass the log on screen of XP or Vista start, run, "control
userpasswords2"(no quotes) this will bring you a screen that near the
top is a check box chosing whether to use the log on screen or not.
You MUST have the check box checked then make a choice as to the
account you want auto logged on, then uncheck the box and click apply.
You will then be prompted to type in the password, twice, and then
when you reboot no password is required.[/QUOTE]

No joy, this is going to be tougher than I thought.

Here is what I did:

Start> All programs> Accessories> Run

Typed in: control userpasswords2


Window come on, left the box near the top of
that window checked.

Selected the account I wanted auto logged on
(my own account)

Unchecked the box near top of screen,
clicked Apply, new window opened.

Typed my password twice in that new window,
clicked Okay - - - closed all remaining windows.



Restarted computer to be on safe side.



Now I opened NotePad, typed a bunch of VVVVVVVV

Leaving NotePad open, I then opened Start menu.

"Hovered" my mouse over the icon that had this message:

"Saves your session and turns off the computer. When you
turn on the computer, Windows restores your session."


Clicked that icon, disk drive whirred, computer shut off.



Just to make certain the desktop computer was dead,
I unplugged the main AC power.


Plugged the AC power in, pressed the Power button.

Darn login screen still opened, grrr.


Typed my password, NotePad opened in its half-finished
state just like I want, with all those unsaved VVVVVVV's
still displayed onscreen, just like I want.



Tried several variations of your procedure to bypass the
login screen, but could not get any of them to work.
(on Vista, that is)

Even tried running with no password at all.


With the exact same computer, when I load it with XP,
the login screen is bypassed, as I desire.


Possibly Microsoft does not want to allow Vista to
work that way, for security reasons?

Well heck, we gave it the old college try.

Thanks very much for trying to solve this gnarly problem.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

Hi Mark,

In addition to f/fgeorge's post, this will show you how to have Vista
logon automatically to a user account you select. You will still get the
"Resume" screen from hibernation though.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/66966-logon-automatically.html

Shawn

Shawn, that site is just the same as f/fgeorge's post.

However, I am desperate.<g>

I am going to completely reload Vista from scratch tonight,
just in case I corrupted something inadvertently.

Then I will carefully go through the instructions at
that website.

What really bugs me is that my desktop computer runs
just fine when it is loaded with the XP OS.

Login screen never pops up with XP, same desktop computer.

Mark-


--
As usual, I will report back here
with the results of my playing.

Just for kicks, think I will try a
completely different desktop PC,
if tonight's work does not pay off.

 

[Mark Conrad]

Excuse me for posting to myself, I am just muttering

Loaded up a totally DIFFERENT computer with Vista Ultimate.

(a custom built ASUS laptop)

Problem persists, I can't bypass the login screen no matter
whose advice I follow

I gotta be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

A) Was careful to leave hibernation box unchecked
in Disk Cleanup, that file uses 1.99 GB of disk space.

B) With this computer, hibernation works okay right after
Vista installation, no special techniques required.

C) Still can't bypass login screen however, no matter
what I do. This means the computer can't be ran
remotely with "Timbuktu" for example.


Has anyone out there managed to automatically bypass
the login screen in actual operation?

Mark-

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

To bypass the log on screen of XP or Vista start, run, "control
userpasswords2"(no quotes) this will bring you a screen that near the
top is a check box chosing whether to use the log on screen or not.
You MUST have the check box checked then make a choice as to the
account you want auto logged on, then uncheck the box and click apply.
You will then be prompted to type in the password, twice, and then
when you reboot no password is required.

No joy, this is going to be tougher than I thought.

Here is what I did:

Start> All programs> Accessories> Run

Typed in: control userpasswords2


Window come on, left the box near the top of
that window checked.

Selected the account I wanted auto logged on
(my own account)

Unchecked the box near top of screen,
clicked Apply, new window opened.

Typed my password twice in that new window,
clicked Okay - - - closed all remaining windows.



Restarted computer to be on safe side.



Now I opened NotePad, typed a bunch of VVVVVVVV

Leaving NotePad open, I then opened Start menu.

"Hovered" my mouse over the icon that had this message:

"Saves your session and turns off the computer. When you
turn on the computer, Windows restores your session."


Clicked that icon, disk drive whirred, computer shut off.



Just to make certain the desktop computer was dead,
I unplugged the main AC power.


Plugged the AC power in, pressed the Power button.

Darn login screen still opened, grrr.


Typed my password, NotePad opened in its half-finished
state just like I want, with all those unsaved VVVVVVV's
still displayed onscreen, just like I want.



Tried several variations of your procedure to bypass the
login screen, but could not get any of them to work.
(on Vista, that is)

Even tried running with no password at all.


With the exact same computer, when I load it with XP,
the login screen is bypassed, as I desire.


Possibly Microsoft does not want to allow Vista to
work that way, for security reasons?

Well heck, we gave it the old college try.

Thanks very much for trying to solve this gnarly problem.

Mark-[/QUOTE]

 

[Jane C]

Hello Mark,

Go to Control Panel, Power Options, Change plan settings, change advanced
power settings, then under Additional settings, make sure that "Require
password on wakeup" is set to No. You may have to click the link "Change
settings that are currently unavailable", which will trigger a UAC prompt,
first.

 

[Mark Conrad]

Hello Mark,

Go to Control Panel, Power Options, Change plan settings, change advanced
power settings, then under Additional settings, make sure that "Require
password on wakeup" is set to No. You may have to click the link "Change
settings that are currently unavailable", which will trigger a UAC prompt,
first.

Thanks Jane, but I already did all that on both
of my computers and it did not work.

Did not work with Vista, that is.

When I reverted to XP on both machines, it works.



Really hope I can locate someone who got it to work
on Vista, so I can find out what their secret is


Again, the problem is that the Vista login screen
can not be automatically bypassed, like it is bypassed
when using the XP operating system.


This means that a Vista machine has to have someone
in attendance to work to get past the login screen.

I think Microsoft made that change from the way XP works,
for security reasons.



Hibernate works okay on both XP and Vista.

Bypassing the login screen automatically, AFTER hibernate
has taken effect and the computer is totally "dead",
only works on XP, not on Vista.

Lotsa luck for anyone who tries to bypass the login screen
automatically, by turning on the
main AC power to a Vista PC.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Thanks Andre, however XP is not the problem,
because XP bypasses the login screen just fine.

The same procedure does not work with Vista.



I may have to return to using XP, however that
is a short term solution, because XP will have
less and less support as time goes by.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

I believe Jane C has the missing piece we forgot about. This will show
you how to do what she suggested also with some screenshot to help.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/102686-password-protection-wakeup.html

Shawn

I normally run without any password, that procedure in
the website does not dispel the login screen, even though
a part of the procedure states that if one does not use
any password, just leave the password fields blank.


To eliminate all possibilities, I completely re-installed
Vista from scratch, then used a password.


Following the instructions in the website, Vista would
still refuse to automatically bypass the login screen.



Hope someone else will try to get Vista to automatically
bypass the login screen.

I really need the encouragement that SOMEONE has actually
managed to get it to work with Vista.


No problem at all getting it to work with XP, but as we
all know, eventually XP will get replaced by Vista.

Perhaps some sort of exotic registry hack will work.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

I ran a test on my system with hibernation, and when I resume from
hibernation I go directly to the "Resumming" screen for a few seconds,
then to the desktop as it was left when I went into hibernation.

Thanks very much, Brink.


I will duplicate the steps and get back to you
in a few hours.

Being you succeeded and I failed, it HAS to be some
simple bone-headed mistake I am making.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

I ran a test on my system with hibernation, and when I
resume from hibernation I go directly to the
"Resumming" screen for a few seconds, then to the
desktop as it was left when I went into hibernation.
I am not dual booting with XP though, so I do not know
if that is a factor.

Here is how I have my settings set so that
it may help you...<clip>...

Wow, I finally got both of my Vista computers to do
the things I wanted them to do, thanks to the help
from everyone in this thread.

I never would have figured it out by myself.

Basically, I wanted to remotely control a Mac Mini
desktop computer, that was dual booting Mac OS
10.5.1 (leopard) - - - and Vista Ultimate.

An application named "Timbuktu 8.6.0" is the
remote control software.

That 8.6.0 version is the _only_ version of
Timbuktu that will work on Vista.




The Mini is completely shut down most of the time
for safety reasons.

(unreliable rural power company, lightning storms,
and many other things made me decide to leave
the Mac in an un-powered state)


When I am 'on the road' with a MacBook Pro, I turn on
the AC power to my home desktop Mac by a phone call,
by means of a Mac hardware/software device named
"PowerKey 4.3.1" from Sophisticated Circuits Inc.

A robot device, yet to be built by me, then presses
the "Power On" button on the back of the Mac Mini.


The Mini comes out of the Vista hibernation mode,
with its Timbuktu application active on Vista's
desktop.

I can grab control of the Mac mini's Vista partition
via the Internet, run Vista app's for a period of time,
then slap it back into hibernation mode when finished.

At least that is the plan.

Most of the plan has been checked out, however the
robot button pushing device has yet to be fabricated.


Thanks again Brink, Shawn, Andre, Jane, Paul, and
all the others who helped me solve this gnarly issue.

I am basically a Mac user, so know very little about
Windows matters, but am learning slowly.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

That is a setting in the advanced power options to turn off?

- - - and - - -

But this motherboard won't stay asleep nor hibernate if I
replace every instance of sleep with hibernate.

Hello KewlToyZ -

Although the Advanced Power Options settings were the
main reason that I could not get hibernate to work,
perhaps there is some other obscure setting that is
preventing your computer from hibernating.

Before you give up on getting hibernate to work, it might
help you if I posted ALL the settings I used.


Let me know, because I have to document what I did anyhow,
otherwise I will forget it.


I realize that _some_ computers might not be capable of
going into hibernation.

I thought my computer was one of them.<g>

It might pay off for you to persist a bit longer.


I came very close to giving up myself.


Give me a day or so to document exactly what I did,
it might work for you also.

Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

Hi again KewlToyZ,

The attempt to get hibernate to work for you is about
half way finished.

Hibernate works for me.

I think "Brink" posted that hibernate works for
him also, but not certain about that.

Also, automatically bypassing the login screen works
for me.

Despite all the good news, I managed to "break" sleep
mode, but I figure that is a good price to pay for
getting hibernation to work.

I just have to remember not to press any Sleep buttons,
otherwise Vista throws all sorts of nasty messages at me.

The l-o-o-n-g settings I used to get hibernation to work
on an ASUS laptop will be posted in about 7 hours from now.


Hope the settings manage to get hibernation to work for you.

Mark-



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