ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

[...winston]

After subscribing to Hotmail Plus
http://get.live.com/en-us/mailplus/features

If you find that OE defaults to one of the following(after entry of hotmail or msn or live.com address)
a. an http account
b. an http server
c. a message indicating that http is not supported

To overcome the above issue, restart the process and instead of <yourusername>@hotmail.com temporarily enter
<yourusername>@xyz.com, once the balance of the pop3 settings are configured correctly , go back and edit the email address field
in the incoming server to the correct email address, then test the account(send yourself a message)

Use of Pop3 for a Hotmail Plus account will not synchronize any additional user folders created within the Hotmail account using
the prior interface(OE or the Web[Hotmail.com])
- the Junk Mail folder will have to be monitored via the web interface(hotmail.com or mail.live.com)
- any user created folder within the prior http Hotmail account will not appear locally.
- rules created within the Hotmail web interfaced will continue to function(if moved to the web based user folders, those messages
will not appear in the OE Inbox. If the local Inbox is the preferred destination, delete the rules in the web interface and create
new ones locally in OE.

 

[zhyl]

Mom will have to subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year)and
then reconfigure the account to be accessed via POP3 before 30 June 2008.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Adminhttp://aumha.net
DTS-Lhttp://dts-l.net/

What will happen to my mom who uses OE WIN98SE with DSL off of our XP
network home hub to get email from msn, sbc and gmail accounts? She
manages groups for seniors and keeps it all organized by the email address
but is able to deal with all of it in WIN98SE OE - The MSN accts appear to
be http, the sbc and gmail are pop/smtp - I'm not an expert, just want to
prepare her. She'd love to keep things just the way she uses it now...

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]
Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
<quote>
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
via Outlook Express...
</quote>
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
======================
Please Note:
1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
Express.
2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
from
Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
installation!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.as...
Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Adminhttp://aumha.net
DTS-Lhttp://dts-l.net/- Òþ²Ø±»ÒýÓÃÎÄ×Ö -

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Hi,

After having tried various of methods without improvement, you can
have a try to use special utility to repair your Outlook Express dbx
file. I know one, called Advanced Outlook Express Repair.
Fortunately , It worked rather well for my corrupt Outlook Express dbx
files last time. I think it may be helpful to you. You can download it
from the following address .Its web address is http://www.datanumen.com/aoer/

Alan

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

SPAM!!

 

[ANONYMOUS]

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

And you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

Please refrain from replying to spammers if they are what you claim to be!

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

No, I munged the links.

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

And you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

Please refrain from replying to spammers if they are what you claim to be!

 

[Anon]

Boo Boo Boo -- My OE works just fine. I resent being forced off Hotmail when
my OE works perfectly fine with it.

 

[Alex Plantema]

What could be the reason, other than spyware in Windows Live Mail,
for the inclusion of the Potentially Unwanted Software paragraph on
http://help.live.com/help.aspx?mkt=en-us&project=tou ?

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

You refer to a Microsoft Service Agreement for all Windows Live
applications, not just Windows Live Mail.

These applications include OneCare and OneCare Family Safety, either of
which may remove Potentially Unwanted Software whose removal "may cause
other software [not necessarily Windows Live or MS software] on your
computer to stop working, and it may cause you to breach a license to use
other software [ditto] on your computer"; (e.g., using OneCare to remove the
"sponsor software" which may be included when you install Messenger Plus,
depending on how MP is installed).

I am neither an apologist/evangelist for nor do I represent Microsoft.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

You're not "being forced off Hotmail" in Outlook Express (OE) since you have
the option of becoming a Hotmail Plus subscriber. (If you created your free
Hotmail account after 27 September 2004, you wouldn't have been able to
access it in OE in the first place without being a Hotmail Plus subscriber.)

Effective 30 June 2008, OE will not work "perfectly fine" with your Hotmail
account if it's not set up as a POP3 account (which would require (1) a
Hotmail Plus subscription and (2) reconfiguring the account settings.

This change also applies to free Hotmail accounts accessed in MS Outlook
/if/ Outlook Connector isn't installed. (And Outlook Connector users will
have to upgrade from their current version.)
--
~PA Bear

Boo Boo Boo -- My OE works just fine. I resent being forced off Hotmail
when my OE works perfectly fine with it.

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
<quote>
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
via Outlook Express...
</quote>
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry

======================

Please Note:

1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
Express.

2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
from
Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.

3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
installation!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...dg=microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

[N. Miller]

Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail
client which has security flaws and defects...

More so than MS Outlook Express? Could you elaborate?

...just so they can push their Hotmail users to use a client and connect
to their HTTP servers that now support DeltaSync
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so Microsoft doesn't have
to support already established e-mail protocols and lock their Hotmail
users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.

WebDAV isn't, exactly, an "established" protocol. It is, and always has
been, a closed-source, proprietary protocol. And anybody using MSN Hotmail
between the time that they shut off POP3/SMTP access, and shut of WebDAV
access has been locked in to using Microsoft e-mail clients. With the
possible exception of IncrediMail, which is probably the only client worse
than MS Outlook Express, I can't think of a client which includes support
for WebDAV. This is what happens with closed-source, proprietary systmes.

"Established" protocols, at least of the open source variety, are:

POP3
IMAP
SMTP

MS Outlook Express will continue to support those "estabished" protocols,
and even Windows Live Hotmail will support them on the paid accounts.

Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.

Or they might just be "going with the flow". Of four people, whom I help
with computer support, none routinely use a desktop e-mail client; only one
even knows what an e-mail client is. I'd guess that 65% to 70% of the users
on the Internet, and 85% to 90% of new users, don't even know that there is
more to the Internet than the web.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[N. Miller]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access
their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.

In fact Windows Live Mail allows you to access hotmail account free of
charge even if it is a new account. The idea is MS wants everybody to
use Windows Live Email. OE is a dated technology and it is time to put
it in the museum!!

Live mail is auto-logging.... kisses the ass of Uncle Sam. Homeland Zecurity
loves it and wants *everyone* to use it.... makes everything much easier.

And you have the Wireshark logs to prove that assertion?

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

You refer to a Microsoft Service Agreement for all Windows Live
applications, not just Windows Live Mail.

These applications include OneCare and OneCare Family Safety, either of
which may remove Potentially Unwanted Software whose removal "may cause
other software [not necessarily Windows Live or MS software] on your
computer to stop working, and it may cause you to breach a license to use
other software [ditto] on your computer"; (e.g., using OneCare to remove the
"sponsor software" which may be included when you install Messenger Plus,
depending on how MP is installed).

I am neither an apologist/evangelist for nor do I represent Microsoft.

I'm glad to hear that. ;-)

DM

Too many open ports these days.....

 

[Alex Plantema]

PA Bear [MS MVP] schreef in

You refer to a Microsoft Service Agreement for all Windows Live
applications, not just Windows Live Mail.

These applications include OneCare and OneCare Family Safety, either
of which may remove Potentially Unwanted Software whose removal "may
cause other software [not necessarily Windows Live or MS software] on
your computer to stop working, and it may cause you to breach a
license to use other software [ditto] on your computer"; (e.g., using
OneCare to remove the "sponsor software" which may be included when
you install Messenger Plus, depending on how MP is installed).

Thank you for your explanation.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

PA Bear [MS MVP] schreef in

You refer to a Microsoft Service Agreement for all Windows Live
applications, not just Windows Live Mail.

These applications include OneCare and OneCare Family Safety, either
of which may remove Potentially Unwanted Software whose removal "may
cause other software [not necessarily Windows Live or MS software] on
your computer to stop working, and it may cause you to breach a
license to use other software [ditto] on your computer"; (e.g., using
OneCare to remove the "sponsor software" which may be included when
you install Messenger Plus, depending on how MP is installed).

Thank you for your explanation.

YW, Alex. Thanks for posting back.

 

[...winston]

I'm happy to report and clear up some confusion(mine and maybe others) on
the OLC version number.
Provided and permitted for use by Scott Hammer, Msft.
<qp>
Outlook Connector 12 is the latest version.
The link below is the OLC that will be DeltaSynch compliant.
</qp>

Here's the link for Outlook Connector Version 12
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6a-931e-438a-950c-5e9ea66322d4&displaylang=en>

Scott, thanks again...we appreciate the additional info !

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

@Scott: Why does the Download page still say "Version: 4" ???

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Because there is no such thing as version 12. Could it be that he meant
connecter for Office [with Outlook] version 12?

Hope this helps.

 

[WHEATLEYTONI]

More so than MS Outlook Express? Could you elaborate?


WebDAV isn't, exactly, an "established" protocol. It is, and always has
been, a closed-source, proprietary protocol. And anybody using MSN Hotmail
between the time that they shut off POP3/SMTP access, and shut of WebDAV
access has been locked in to using Microsoft e-mail clients. With the
possible exception of IncrediMail, which is probably the only client worse
than MS Outlook Express, I can't think of a client which includes support
for WebDAV. This is what happens with closed-source, proprietary systmes.

"Established" protocols, at least of the open source variety, are:

POP3
IMAP
SMTP

MS Outlook Express will continue to support those "estabished" protocols,
and even Windows Live Hotmail will support them on the paid accounts.


Or they might just be "going with the flow". Of four people, whom I help
with computer support, none routinely use a desktop e-mail client; only
one
even knows what an e-mail client is. I'd guess that 65% to 70% of the
users
on the Internet, and 85% to 90% of new users, don't even know that there
is
more to the Internet than the web.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[Nancy]

HOW ???

Please tell the rest of us who don't want Windows Live Mail
--

I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!


ju.c

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]

Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since,
according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which
continued discussion is on-topic.

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Express
<quote>
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
folders] via
Outlook Express...
</quote>
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry

Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live
Mail
client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push
their
Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that
now
support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so
Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols
and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.

Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

You really should get out more often, my dear. First of all, see
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5745.entry (05
Jun-08), which is a follow-up to
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry (17
Apr-08).

Now see
http://windowslivehelp.com/solution...op3-availability-in-windows-live-hotmail.aspx
(13 Jan-09)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

HOW ???

Please tell the rest of us who don't want Windows Live Mail

I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!


ju.c

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]

Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since,
according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which
continued discussion is on-topic.

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Express
<quote>
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
folders] via
Outlook Express...
</quote>
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry

Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live
Mail
client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push
their
Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that
now
support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so
Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols
and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.

Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.