Amarok vs Media Monkey..$20.00 vs a lifetime of frustration......

[Jerry McBride]

I've used Amarok since it was pre 1.0 and have always found it to be slow,
bloated and unstable.

Additionally the interface has to rank amongst the worst interfaces EVER
on the face of the earth bar no operating system including cli based DOS.

Sure Amarok looks great on paper.
It's a veritable Swiss Army Knife of a media application.

The problems start when you try and actually use if, especially on large
collections like 20k files or more.

Amarok goes out to lunch, offers little or no feedback as to what it is
doing other than that stupid graph paper like icon at the bottom of the
screen and is highly unstable and slow.

Enter Media Monkey...

---snip---

Amarok... a GPL solution and an excellent piece of OSS. Runs on a cutting
edge desktop named KDE on a modern unencumbered OS called Linux.

Media Monkey, closed source with a handicapped shareware version or a
payfor, fully enabled version. It ONLY runs on an antiquated OS called
windows from a company that's on a fast track to being bankrupt, has no
sourcecode available and basicly you're stuck with what you bought...

Total cost for Linux, KDE and amaroK... $00.00. Total Cost for windows and
media monkey? Depends on the deal, but it's easily over hundreds of
dollars.

 

[Snit]

You are not the world. There are many that do not share your opinion.

This matra was brought you you by Rick and the letter "R".

 

[Hadron]

---snip---

Amarok... a GPL solution and an excellent piece of OSS. Runs on a cutting
edge desktop named KDE on a modern unencumbered OS called Linux.

Media Monkey, closed source with a handicapped shareware version or a
payfor, fully enabled version. It ONLY runs on an antiquated OS called
windows from a company that's on a fast track to being bankrupt, has no
sourcecode available and basicly you're stuck with what you bought...

Total cost for Linux, KDE and amaroK... $00.00. Total Cost for windows and
media monkey? Depends on the deal, but it's easily over hundreds of
dollars.

Jerry McBride : it's all about financial cost.

 

[Hobbes]

Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
I've used Amarok since it was pre 1.0 and have always found
it to be slow,
bloated and unstable.

Additionally the interface has to rank amongst the worst
interfaces EVER on
the face of the earth bar no operating system including cli
based DOS.

Sure Amarok looks great on paper.
It's a veritable Swiss Army Knife of a media application.

The problems start when you try and actually use if,
especially on large
collections like 20k files or more.
That big, eh? My music collection is bigger than 20GB and I
have no problems with Amarok at all.

Alias

That was 20K files ( 20,000 files ) Alias.
ruff ruff
I have more files than that and no problems.

Alias


You are a buzy [sic] little beaver aren't you ?
If you start at song 1 today, by Christmas you'll have listened
to them all.

If you played them in Windows...they would sound better.
False. The sound card and the stereo system I have the computer
hooked up to don't care what OS it's using and they sound the
same.

Alias


Really ?
In Windows, I can get music to play thru all 6 speakers in a 5.1
speaker setup.
In ubuntu/kubuntu...2 speakers.
left and right.
How do I get it to play thru all in ubuntu ?

I don't have six speakers so I obviously didn't get them to play
in either Windows or Ubuntu. My four speakers work just fine,
thank you very much.

Alias

I do get sound from 6 speakers.
LF plays music.
RF plays music.
The rest of the speakers hummm.
Nice.

I get sound out of all four speakers, including surround sound.

Nice.

Alias

I can get sound from 4 speakers in kubuntu using KMIx "duplicate front"
switch.

Still no Center, No LFE.

What are you referring to as "surround sound".
Your 4 speakers would give you 2 lefts, and 2 rights, correct ?

I cannot play an actual audio surround DVD, I get a warning that
certain codecs may be needed, and that it may be illegal in my country
to do so.

I'll use Windows Vista when I want quality sound, I guess !

 

[Sthief Ballmer]

Em Domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2008 12:59, Hobbes escreveu:

It's just rap.
It's not "rap music".
Because it isn't music.

have to agree on this one

 

[Alias]

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:51:22 +0200

Hobbes wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:44:41 +0200

Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
I've used Amarok since it was pre 1.0 and have always
found it to be slow,
bloated and unstable.

Additionally the interface has to rank amongst the worst
interfaces EVER on
the face of the earth bar no operating system including
cli based DOS.

Sure Amarok looks great on paper.
It's a veritable Swiss Army Knife of a media application.

The problems start when you try and actually use if,
especially on large
collections like 20k files or more.
That big, eh? My music collection is bigger than 20GB and I
have no problems with Amarok at all.

Alias

That was 20K files ( 20,000 files ) Alias.
ruff ruff
I have more files than that and no problems.

Alias

You are a buzy [sic] little beaver aren't you ?
If you start at song 1 today, by Christmas you'll have
listened to them all.

If you played them in Windows...they would sound better.
False. The sound card and the stereo system I have the
computer hooked up to don't care what OS it's using and they
sound the same.

Alias

Really ?
In Windows, I can get music to play thru all 6 speakers in a
5.1 speaker setup.
In ubuntu/kubuntu...2 speakers.
left and right.
How do I get it to play thru all in ubuntu ?

I don't have six speakers so I obviously didn't get them to play
in either Windows or Ubuntu. My four speakers work just fine,
thank you very much.

Alias
Wow...you have over 20,000 songs, and your setup is pretty low
end. You should just see if you can find an 8-track player.

Hardware snobs are so petty and immature.

Alias
No.
When we purchase 6 speakers...we like music to come out of ALL of
them. Ubuntu/Kubuntu turns ny PC into a brick from the early '90's.

You've already admitted that you can't configure Ubuntu to work
properly and now you're bragging about it again?

Alias

I can configure both ubuntu/kubuntu to the best capability of the
software. I've read you in alt.os.linux.ubuntu ... I'm surprised you
wanna go
there.
I have more knowledge in that arena than you.

How long have you been a tech snob? Is it because you can't get laid?

Alias

Being a Man ... I do the laying...

How many eggs do you lay a day?

so I don't get laid.
Figures.


Notice in just this thread I've posted from ubuntu/kubuntu/Vista.

Bully for you.

You actually need to use an OS to make comparisons.

Do you need to jump off a 20 story building to know it isn't a good idea?

Post from Vista.

When I install it for gaming, I will. Until then, I have better things
to do.

Alias

 

[Hobbes]

Hobbes wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:51:22 +0200

Hobbes wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:44:41 +0200

Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Hobbes wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
I've used Amarok since it was pre 1.0 and have always
found it to be slow,
bloated and unstable.

Additionally the interface has to rank amongst the worst
interfaces EVER on
the face of the earth bar no operating system including
cli based DOS.

Sure Amarok looks great on paper.
It's a veritable Swiss Army Knife of a media application.

The problems start when you try and actually use if,
especially on large
collections like 20k files or more.
That big, eh? My music collection is bigger than 20GB and I
have no problems with Amarok at all.

Alias

That was 20K files ( 20,000 files ) Alias.
ruff ruff
I have more files than that and no problems.

Alias

You are a buzy [sic] little beaver aren't you ?
If you start at song 1 today, by Christmas you'll have
listened to them all.

If you played them in Windows...they would sound better.
False. The sound card and the stereo system I have the
computer hooked up to don't care what OS it's using and they
sound the same.

Alias

Really ?
In Windows, I can get music to play thru all 6 speakers in a
5.1 speaker setup.
In ubuntu/kubuntu...2 speakers.
left and right.
How do I get it to play thru all in ubuntu ?

I don't have six speakers so I obviously didn't get them to play
in either Windows or Ubuntu. My four speakers work just fine,
thank you very much.

Alias
Wow...you have over 20,000 songs, and your setup is pretty low
end. You should just see if you can find an 8-track player.

Hardware snobs are so petty and immature.

Alias
No.
When we purchase 6 speakers...we like music to come out of ALL of
them. Ubuntu/Kubuntu turns ny PC into a brick from the early '90's.

You've already admitted that you can't configure Ubuntu to work
properly and now you're bragging about it again?

Alias

I can configure both ubuntu/kubuntu to the best capability of the
software. I've read you in alt.os.linux.ubuntu ... I'm surprised you
wanna go
there.
I have more knowledge in that arena than you.


How long have you been a tech snob? Is it because you can't get laid?

Alias

Being a Man ... I do the laying...

How many eggs do you lay a day?

so I don't get laid.
Figures.


Notice in just this thread I've posted from ubuntu/kubuntu/Vista.

Bully for you.

You actually need to use an OS to make comparisons.

Do you need to jump off a 20 story building to know it isn't a good idea?

Post from Vista.

When I install it for gaming, I will. Until then, I have better things to
do.

Alias

I see.
LOL

 

[Hadron]

... in your opinion...


I guess that explains why I have been listening to them this morning.

What version? Post the url for the stream you use. Maybe its only the
bbc? mplayer plays them fine.Amarok does one buffering and then quits
when its played the buffer.

.. like you? How and when does Amarok crash on your "rock solid Debian
system"?

The system is. Some apps are awful though, Amarok is one. It might hurt
your pea brain but you do not have to defend everything.

Haven't. messed with Pulse yet.

I changed back to Alsa output and it works.

So, tell us, what is he maximum import that can be safely managed, and
what mixture?

What kind of question is that? I have more than 10,000 tracks in mp3,
mp4a, ogg and flac. Who knows whats causing the hang.

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

you really are insane.

Wow...
The nyms are crawling out of the woodwork these days!

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

Nice things about Amarok:

OSD config

Bad things:

Awful play list handling.
Radio streams do not work.
Unstable.
Pulse audio does not work.
Hangs on importing large directories of mixed music types.

Amarok has potential and to be fair, I have not used the latest development
release which is supposed to incorporate a lot of changes.
However, my past experience is that while it offers a lot of potential,
it's too kludgy, slow and unstable to be fun to use.

I think it's a GTK application and I have only run it under KDE, so maybe
the gnome people have better success with it, I don't know.

What I do know is Media Monkey is far superior.

 

[Hadron]

Amarok has potential and to be fair, I have not used the latest development
release which is supposed to incorporate a lot of changes.
However, my past experience is that while it offers a lot of potential,
it's too kludgy, slow and unstable to be fun to use.

I think it's a GTK application and I have only run it under KDE, so maybe
the gnome people have better success with it, I don't know.

What I do know is Media Monkey is far superior.

From what I can gather from the help forums most "solutions" involve KDE
config files. So, shrug, I dont know. And I dont care. I just want it to
work. It could be such a great app.

 

[jellybean stonerfish]

Amarok has potential and to be fair, I have not used the latest
development release which is supposed to incorporate a lot of changes.
However, my past experience is that while it offers a lot of potential,
it's too kludgy, slow and unstable to be fun to use.

I think it's a GTK application and I have only run it under KDE, so
maybe the gnome people have better success with it, I don't know.

What I do know is Media Monkey is far superior.

You should have never bought an ipod. There are players that play more
formats, and are easier to access than an ipod. Buying an ipod was a
mistake. You should not need special software to connect to your music
player.

sf

 

[jellybean stonerfish]

Jerry McBride : it's all about financial cost.

Exactly. Window will cost you more than money. How much is time worth?

sf

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

From what I can gather from the help forums most "solutions" involve KDE
config files. So, shrug, I dont know. And I dont care. I just want it to
work. It could be such a great app.

It certainly has the potential, but in it's current state it's just not any
fun.

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

You should have never bought an ipod. There are players that play more
formats, and are easier to access than an ipod. Buying an ipod was a
mistake. You should not need special software to connect to your music
player.

sf

Been there and done that with a Sandisk and a Creative Zen.
The Sandisk is ok but storage is small.
The Zen is a total POS and I should have bought the iPod instead.
I have an iPod *Classic* 80g and it's great.

Why an iPod?
Because the support for add on stuff is second to none.
Everything supports the iPod.

BTW who told you that you need special software for an iPod?
I just plugged mine in and it worked fine.
It appears as storage and you can drag and drop etc...

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

Exactly. Window will cost you more than money. How much is time worth?

sf

The way these so called Linux advocates in COLA switch distributions, they
obviously have a *lot* of time on their hands....

 

[thufir]

Media Monkey, closed source with a handicapped shareware version or a
payfor, fully enabled version. It ONLY runs on an antiquated OS called
windows from a company that's on a fast track to being bankrupt, has no
sourcecode available and basicly you're stuck with what you bought...

[..]
Jerry McBride : it's all about financial cost.

Sidestepping the point that media monkey only runs on windows. for me,
for example, it's not even an option.


-Thufir

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

Ok, let's hear some specific examples.


-Thufir

Ok I'll play your little game....

Here ya' go:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16721/1090/1/0/

"The Linux era ended in December 2007. Today all the Linux machines are
back to running Windows - actually, a different set of machines as the
lease on the old ones ended. There are Macs at the school running both OS X
and Windows Vista.

The IT budget is much bigger now but the school has the money unlike six
years ago.

The reason for the switch back to Microsoft operating systems? A lack of
support from some of the teachers, says Perkins."

Bottom line, the teachers HATED Linux....

So now you can thread slink...

 

[thufir]

Ok I'll play your little game....

Here ya' go:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16721/1090/1/0/

to be pedantic, and I'm invoking that privilege, you wrote that you'd
seen this happen. I'll read the article, but I was expecting "my
nephew..." or whatever.


-Thufir

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

to be pedantic, and I'm invoking that privilege, you wrote that you'd
seen this happen. I'll read the article, but I was expecting "my
nephew..." or whatever.


-Thufir

Stop wasting my time.
I've seen many people try and toss Linux.
However, being the Linux loon that you are I know full well had I posted
those accounts you would claim I was lying.

So that's why I posted a 3rd party experience....

Give it up already, I am at least 5 steps ahead of you loons....