All In Wonder 9000 Series - audio problem

[Hans Pesata]

Hi!

I have a WINDOWS XP machine with an ATI All In Wonder 9000 video-card.
I connected an antenna-cable to the tuner-input and I could manage to watch
TV using ATI TV 7.9,
but there was no sound.

I connected the output of the ATI to the line-in input on the sound-card and
this worked.
the problem is that I want to copy video-cassettes to DVD and there still is
no sound.

any help with this would be greatly appreciated,
thanx in advance!

best regards,
Hans Pesata

 

[Laurence Wilmer]

Hi!

I have a WINDOWS XP machine with an ATI All In Wonder 9000 video-card.
I connected an antenna-cable to the tuner-input and I could manage to watch
TV using ATI TV 7.9,
but there was no sound.

I connected the output of the ATI to the line-in input on the sound-card and
this worked.
the problem is that I want to copy video-cassettes to DVD and there still is
no sound.

any help with this would be greatly appreciated,
thanx in advance!

best regards,
Hans Pesata

So by connecting the sound you now have sound from the ATI TV tuner.

I'll assume that to copy videocassettes you are using an output from a VCR,
either S-Video or composite?
Then, obviously, you are getting the video output but not the audio from
your VCR, and you need to connect it!
I use a SCART adapter on AV2 (2nd SCART socket) of my VCR, and twin phono
lead to connect the left/right audio out to the respective audio in (Red
right, White left) phono sockets on the purple input block.

There should have been a connection guide leaflet with your AIW that shows
all these connections?

HTH,
Laurence

 

[Hans Pesata]

Hi Lawrence!

Thanx for your reply!

So by connecting the sound you now have sound from the ATI TV tuner.
I'll assume that to copy videocassettes you are using an output from a VCR,
either S-Video or composite?

no I didnt use s-video or composite somehow this didnt work, I couldnt see
anything.
I tried all the cables that came with the card.
it just worked when used the analog tuner-antenna-input, but as I mentioned
there is no sound.

Then, obviously, you are getting the video output but not the audio from
your VCR, and you need to connect it!

but why isnt there an audio-signal from the antenna ?
at least this works with a normal tv-set.

I use a SCART adapter on AV2 (2nd SCART socket) of my VCR, and twin phono
lead to connect the left/right audio out to the respective audio in (Red
right, White left) phono sockets on the purple input block.
There should have been a connection guide leaflet with your AIW that shows
all these connections?

it is a PC which a friend of mine bought with everything pre-installed.
the leaflet shows different in/outputs than the ones the PC has.
I dont remeber any special audio-inputs on the card,
I think there is just the s-video, composite and analog-tuner input.

best regards,
Hans Pesata

 

[Laurence Wilmer]

Hi Lawrence!

Thanx for your reply!


no I didnt use s-video or composite somehow this didnt work, I couldnt see
anything.
I tried all the cables that came with the card.
it just worked when used the analog tuner-antenna-input, but as I mentioned
there is no sound.


but why isnt there an audio-signal from the antenna ?
at least this works with a normal tv-set.


it is a PC which a friend of mine bought with everything pre-installed.
the leaflet shows different in/outputs than the ones the PC has.
I dont remeber any special audio-inputs on the card,
I think there is just the s-video, composite and analog-tuner input.

best regards,
Hans Pesata

You're using the composite aerial input to the AIW card to record a VCR
playing a video tape?

If you feed that same signal to a TV, it has sound OK, if you reconnect the
TV aerial then the ATI card has sound when you tune in to TV stations?

In that case, the problem is that you are not correctly tuned in to the
output frequency of the VCR.

It is not the preferred way to get a signal from a videotape, because the
VCR has to convert the data into a composite signal, squirt it down the
aerial and then the ATI tuner re-converts it back to sound and video again.
You lose quality at each conversion - the composite phono is better, and the
s-video better still (my VCR doesn't have that option).

To tune the ATI card into the correct frequency you need to put a commercial
tape in the VCR and leave it playing to the aerial socket, then got to Setup
Tuner Autoscan to find and tune in to exactly the correct frequency.

If there is still a problem, then most VCRs have an option to adjust the
output frequency in the event that it is clashing with something else.

Page 19 of the manual here
http://www.ati.com/support/manualpd...DER&prod=aiwPCproducts&submit.x=8&submit.y=12
shows the connections.

HTH,
Laurence

 

[Klaus Opel]

Hi Hans,

I connected the output of the ATI to the line-in input on the sound-card and
this worked.

don't connect the external sound-out of the AIW to line-in of the
soundcard, connect the internal sound-out of the AIW to one of the
internal sound-ins of the soundcard (eg aux).

The manual shows what do to if there are not enough inputs on the
soundcard (CD-ROM sound-out to AIW internal sound-in, internal AIW
sound-out to soundcard CD-in).

Then connect the sound-out of the video-recorder to line-in of the
soundcard.

Now you just have to run the setup assistants to tell the MMC, which
soundinput is valid for video-in and which is valid for TV.

Klaus

PS sorry for my bad english

 

[Hans Pesata]

Hi Lawrence!

Thanx for your ongoing support!

You're using the composite aerial input to the AIW card to record a VCR playing a video tape?
If you feed that same signal to a TV, it has sound OK, if you reconnect the
TV aerial then the ATI card has sound when you tune in to TV stations?
In that case, the problem is that you are not correctly tuned in to the
output frequency of the VCR.
It is not the preferred way to get a signal from a videotape, because the
VCR has to convert the data into a composite signal, squirt it down the
aerial and then the ATI tuner re-converts it back to sound and video again.
You lose quality at each conversion - the composite phono is better, and the
s-video better still (my VCR doesn't have that option).
To tune the ATI card into the correct frequency you need to put a commercial
tape in the VCR and leave it playing to the aerial socket, then got to Setup
Tuner Autoscan to find and tune in to exactly the correct frequency.
If there is still a problem, then most VCRs have an option to adjust the
output frequency in the event that it is clashing with something else.
Page 19 of the manual here
http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/AW9000Pr.pdf?type=pc&cardType=ALL+IN+WO
NDER&prod=aiwPCproducts&submit.x=8&submit.y=12
shows the connections.

Thanx for the link of the manual, a hint on page 18 shows exactly what I
did,
you have to connect the video-out-signal to the line-in-input of the
sound-card
when you use the tv-tuner-input.

so this is not the way to go, but I couldnt make it with the video-input.
the VCR just has a SCART/AV connector, so I probably need a cable which
connects SCART/AV to the ATI-video-input.

best regards,
Hans Pesata

 

[Hans Pesata]

Hi Klaus!

Thanx for your reply!

don't connect the external sound-out of the AIW to line-in of the
soundcard, connect the internal sound-out of the AIW to one of the
internal sound-ins of the soundcard (eg aux).
The manual shows what do to if there are not enough inputs on the
soundcard (CD-ROM sound-out to AIW internal sound-in, internal AIW
sound-out to soundcard CD-in).
Then connect the sound-out of the video-recorder to line-in of the
soundcard.
Now you just have to run the setup assistants to tell the MMC, which
soundinput is valid for video-in and which is valid for TV.

this sounds good.
where in the manual can I find this information ?
I just have the one Lawrence provided
http://www.ati.com/support/manualpdf/AW9000Pr.pdf?type=pc&cardType=ALL+IN+WO
NDER&prod=aiwPCproducts&submit.x=8&submit.y=12

best regards,
Hans Pesata

 

[Laurence Wilmer]

Thanx for the link of the manual, a hint on page 18 shows exactly what I
did,
you have to connect the video-out-signal to the line-in-input of the
sound-card
when you use the tv-tuner-input.

I assume you mean audio out (from the ATI card) to line-in of the soundcard?
Connecting video out to audio in is not going to do a lot of good!

Incidentally, I am interested in this idea (from Klaus) of using internal
connections, as I never get enough volume from the external ones. I assume
it is like the internal audio connection from a CD-Rom drive to the
soundcard, but I have never seen any documentation. I wonder if he is
actually referring to a 9000 AIW, as there is no mention in the manual?


Laurence

 

[Klaus Opel]

Hi Hans,

where in the manual can I find this information ?

whar aboute page 41?

Klaus

 

[Hans Pesata]

Hi Klaus!

whar aboute page 41?

Thanx for your help!

the system of my friend is a pre-installed one and I currently dont know,
if the internal connection between the AIW and the soundcard has already
been established,
I will have to check this out. as far as I remember, the VCR doesnt have an
extra audio-out
just a SCART/AV-connector.

best regards,
Hans

 

[Klaus Opel]

Hi Hans,

as far as I remember, the VCR doesnt have an
extra audio-out
just a SCART/AV-connector.

the 21-connection Scart-plug contains FBAS as well as stereo audio.

I don't know where you post from, but all AIW or ViVo cards I had until
now came with an adapter for Scart.

But may be this is only here in europe where Scart is widely used.

If your or your friend's PC came without such an adapter, go to your
favorite radio-/tv-dealer, such a thing should be definitely under 5$.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073523248&category=14823
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3074120629&category=27744

show such a thing.

I wouldn't chose one with a switch, since while it is more versatile the
switch might be a source of signal noise.

Klaus

 

[Hans Pesata]

Hi Klaus!

the 21-connection Scart-plug contains FBAS as well as stereo audio.
I don't know where you post from, but all AIW or ViVo cards I had until
now came with an adapter for Scart.
But may be this is only here in europe where Scart is widely used.
If your or your friend's PC came without such an adapter, go to your
favorite radio-/tv-dealer, such a thing should be definitely under 5$.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3073523248&category=14823
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3074120629&category=27744
show such a thing.
I wouldn't chose one with a switch, since while it is more versatile the
switch might be a source of signal noise.

thanx for your help!

I am from Austria and I dont remember a SCART-adapter which should be part
of the AIW-stuff,
but I will try to find one in a shop.
I also will look into the PC and see if there is a connection-cable between
the AIW and the soundcard.
because it is a pre-installed system I dont konw if this has been done.

I suppose using the SCART-adapter will have the better quality.

thany for showing me opportunities!!!

best regards,
Hans

 

[Klaus Opel]

Hi Hans,

I am from Austria

dann kann ich ja auch auf deutsch weitermachen.

and I dont remember a SCART-adapter which should be part
of the AIW-stuff,

Ich hatte immer retail-Versionen, bei OEM-Teilen ist manchmal die
Ausstattung schlechter.

Manchmal "vergessen" auch nur die Händler, den Adapter beizupacken
(damit kann man ja noch mal was verdienen).

but I will try to find one in a shop.

Jeder besser sortierte Bau-, "Geiz ist geil"- oder "Ich bin doch nicht
blöd"-Markt sollte so was haben.

I also will look into the PC and see if there is a connection-cable between
the AIW and the soundcard.
because it is a pre-installed system I dont konw if this has been done.

Es sollte mich nicht wundern, wenn der Hersteller vergessen hat, diese
Verbindung zu ziehen und/oder das Kabel beizulegen.

I suppose using the SCART-adapter will have the better quality.

Auf jeden Fall besser als die Qualität über die Modulator-Demodulator-
Strecke.

Schönen Abend,

Klaus