Admistration of computer on new setup ?

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Tim

I am ins the process of installing/upgrading three boxes in my home to xp
pro. My question is on "administrative" status and users. All three are
for home/personal and some business use...I have a 3d party firewall and
virus system installed on all three..

My question is this...somewhere along the line I read that you should not
set up a PC with "administrator" as the operator...i.e....set
admistrator...then set up personal user(s)...it's not good to run your PC as
only the Administrator ?

is this correct and why...and can I now change my settings and create
individual users on each machine without problems ?

If so...when I install programs on the various machines...should I install
for the 'user'...or install as the administrator?

This is a home network set up solely to share Cox cable internet
connection...each machines run and added to...or programs
deleted...separately and independently...i.e.., no server in use...although
two of them can share one or two folders...

Thanks Tim
 
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Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]

You should create a second Administrator level user account. Then you can
safely leave the built-in Administrator account alone. If you only use the
built-in account, and something happens to corrupt that user profile and you
can't log in, then how are you going to make changes, effect repairs, etc.?

As for applications, if you don't want other user's to have direct access to
the program, install it only for the account that was used to run the
installer. However, this can often be misleading. In many cases, this just
determines where the shortcuts are created. Documents and
Settings\<username> or Documents and Settings\All Users. The programs
themselves can often still be run just by double clicking the executable.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Tim said:
I am ins the process of installing/upgrading three boxes in my home to xp
pro. My question is on "administrative" status and users. All three are
for home/personal and some business use...I have a 3d party firewall and
virus system installed on all three..

So far, so good. Firewalls and anti-virus applications, which
should always be used and should always be running, are important
components of "safe hex," but they cannot, and should not be expected
to, protect the computer user from him/herself. Ultimately, it is
incumbent upon each and every computer user to learn how to secure
his/her own computer.

My question is this...somewhere along the line I read that you should not
set up a PC with "administrator" as the operator...i.e....set
admistrator...then set up personal user(s)...it's not good to run your PC as
only the Administrator ?

is this correct and why...


Routinely using a computer with administrative privileges is not
without some risk. You will be much more susceptible to some types of
malware, particularly adware and spyware. While using a computer with
limited privileges isn't the cure-all, silver bullet that some claim it
to be, any experienced IT professional will verify that doing so
definitely reduces that amount of damage and depth of penetration by the
malware. If you get infected/infested while running as an
administrator, the odds are much greater that any malware will be
extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove with formating the
hard drive and starting anew. The intruding malware will have the same
privileges to all of the files on your hard drive that you do.

A technically competent user who is aware of the risks and knows
how to take proper precautions can usually safely operate with
administrative privileges; I do so myself. But I certainly don't
recommend it for the average computer user.

and can I now change my settings and create
individual users on each machine without problems ?

Certainly.

HOW TO Create and Configure User Accounts in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279783

HOW TO Set, View, Change, or Remove File and Folder Permissions
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q308418

HOW TO Set, View, Change, or Remove Special Permissions for Files and
Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q308419

If so...when I install programs on the various machines...should I install
for the 'user'...or install as the administrator?


If the application has been properly designed for WinXP, you need only
install it once, from an account with administrative privileges.

You may experience some problems if the software was designed for
Win9x/Me, or if it was intended for WinNT/2K/XP, but was improperly
designed. Quite simply, the application doesn't "know" how to handle
individual user profiles with differing security permissions levels, or
the application is designed to make to make changes to "off-limits"
sections of the Windows registry or protected Windows system folders.

For example, saved data are often stored in a sub-folder under the
application's folder within C:\Program Files - a place where no
inexperienced or limited user should ever have write permissions.

It may even be that the software requires "write" access to parts
of the registry or protected systems folders/files that are not normally
accessible to regular users. (This *won't* occur if the application is
properly written.) If this does prove to be the case, however, you're
often left with three options: Either grant the necessary users
appropriate higher access privileges (either as Power Users or local
administrators), explicitly grant normal users elevated privileges to
the affected folders and/or part(s) or the registry, or replace the
application with one that was properly designed specifically for
WinNT/2K/XP.

Some Programs Do Not Work If You Log On from Limited Account
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q307091

Additionally, here are a couple of tips suggested, in a reply to a
different post, by MS-MVP Kent W. England:

"If your game or application works with admin accounts, but not with
limited accounts, you can fix it to allow limited users to access the
program files folder with "change" capability rather than "read" which
is the default.

C:\>cacls "Program Files\appfolder" /e /t /p users:c

where "appfolder" is the folder where the application is installed.

If you wish to undo these changes, then run

C:\>cacls "Program Files\appfolder" /e /t /p users:r

If you still have a problem with running the program or saving settings
on limited accounts, you may need to change permissions on the registry
keys. Run regedit.exe and go to HKLM\Software\vendor\app, where
"vendor\app" is the key that the software vendor used for your specific
program. Change the permissions on this key to allow Users full control."

This is a home network set up solely to share Cox cable internet
connection...each machines run and added to...or programs
deleted...separately and independently...i.e.., no server in use...although
two of them can share one or two folders...


There are several essential components to computer security: a
knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, and the prompt repair (via
patches, hotfixes, or service packs) of any known vulnerabilities.

The weakest link in this "equation" is, of course, the computer
user. No software manufacturer can -- nor should they be expected
to -- protect the computer user from him/herself. All too many people
have bought into the various PC/software manufacturers marketing
claims of easy computing. They believe that their computer should be
no harder to use than a toaster oven; they have neither the
inclination or desire to learn how to safely use their computer. All
too few people keep their antivirus software current, install patches
in a timely manner, or stop to really think about that cutesy link
they're about to click.

To learn more about practicing "safe hex," start with these links:

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

Home Computer Security
http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/

List of Antivirus Software Vendors
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;49500

Home PC Firewall Guide
http://www.firewallguide.com/

Scumware.com
http://www.scumware.com/


--

Bruce Chambers

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