Additional hard drive

[Luminore]

what is more preferable to use additional hard drive, for old PC(support USB
1.1), install it this HDD as second hard drive, or as External HDD (HDD
mobile rack)?

regards.

 

[Guest]

USB 1.1 is pretty slow (compared to 2.0).

I would go with a second internal HD.

 

[Guest]

An external HDD performs great on USB 2.0 but horrid on 1.1. You should go
with either the internal HDD or install a PCI USB 2.0 card and then use the
external HDD. Good Luck,

Joe

Kemco ITP

 

[Timothy Daniels]

A bootable HD is most convenient as you can keep a
bootable spare copy of the entire OS and files on that HD
as backup in case the primary HD fails. If the new HD is
a SATA drive, you have the added option of using it as an
external drive that is bootable.

Here is Kingwin's external enclosure with an eSATA cable:
http://kingwin.com/jt35eubk.asp . If your computer doesn't
have an eSATA connector on the back, you can get adapter
brackets from this place:
http://www.firewire-1394.com/external-sata-solutions.htm

*TimDaniels*

 

[Luminore]

A bootable HD is most convenient as you can keep a
bootable spare copy of the entire OS and files on that HD
as backup in case the primary HD fails. If the new HD is
a SATA drive, you have the added option of using it as an
external drive that is bootable.

Here is Kingwin's external enclosure with an eSATA cable:
http://kingwin.com/jt35eubk.asp . If your computer doesn't
have an eSATA connector on the back, you can get adapter
brackets from this place:
http://www.firewire-1394.com/external-sata-solutions.htm

*TimDaniels*

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I will install second internal HD.
MB is with embedded Ultra DMA-100 PCI IDE controller, and MB supports two
IDE ports up to 4 ATAPI devices. I want set new HDD as primary and old HDD
as secondary, so new HDD need be set as Master and old as Slave? I need
install new OS on new HDD(via booting from CD), need I change something in
BIOS, or system will boot this Master HDD as first Boot Device and there is
no necessity to change anything in BIOS?

 

[Ron Sommer]

:
: : > A bootable HD is most convenient as you can keep a
: > bootable spare copy of the entire OS and files on that HD
: > as backup in case the primary HD fails. If the new HD is
: > a SATA drive, you have the added option of using it as an
: > external drive that is bootable.
: >
: > Here is Kingwin's external enclosure with an eSATA cable:
: > http://kingwin.com/jt35eubk.asp . If your computer doesn't
: > have an eSATA connector on the back, you can get adapter
: > brackets from this place:
: > http://www.firewire-1394.com/external-sata-solutions.htm
: >
: > *TimDaniels*
: >
: > "Luminore" wrote:
: > > what is more preferable to use additional hard drive,
: > > for old PC(support USB 1.1), install it this HDD as
: > > second hard drive, or as External HDD (HDD mobile rack)?
: ---------
:
: I will install second internal HD.
: MB is with embedded Ultra DMA-100 PCI IDE controller, and MB supports two
: IDE ports up to 4 ATAPI devices. I want set new HDD as primary and old HDD
: as secondary, so new HDD need be set as Master and old as Slave? I need
: install new OS on new HDD(via booting from CD), need I change something in
: BIOS, or system will boot this Master HDD as first Boot Device and there
is
: no necessity to change anything in BIOS?
:

Check that CD will boot before the hard drive. (This would be the only
reason to access the Bios.)
Install new drive as Master.
Do not attach old drive.
Install OS.
Connect old drive.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

If you install the new OS with the old HD disconnected,
the installer will see only the new HD and it will set the
newly installed OS's partition to be called "C:". When
the new OS runs, it will call the partition containing the old
OS "D:" (assuming that there are no other partitions). This
is OK unless one or the other HD has shortcuts that refer
to files on the other HD. While the new HD is the only HD
in the system, its OS will boot regardless whether it's Master
or Slave (assuming it's not Western Digital). With both HDs
connected, unless you reset the BIOS so that the HD boot
order puts the Slave HD at the head of the HD boot order,
the HD which is set as Master will boot (or, more accurately,
control the booting). Thus, you can control which HD controls
booting by resetting the HD boot order in the BIOS.

If you install the new OS while the old HD is still connected,
the installer will set the new OS to call its own partition "D:",
and it will set the boot.ini file on the new HD to dual-boot -
that is, you will be presented with 2 options from which to
select at boot time, each one designating one of the 2 OSes.

You could also just clone the OS from the old HD to the new
HD. That will give you 2 OSess, each calling its own partition
"C:" when it's running. To dual-boot between the two OSes,
you can either reset the HD boot order in the BIOS, or you can
put a 2nd entry in the boot.ini file of the Master HD so the loader
will let you decide at boot time. If that is what you want to do,
post another question on how to make a clone.

BTW, "boot device order" sets the TYPE of device that will
control booting, and the "hard drive boot order" sets which
hard drive will control booting.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Luminore]

If you install the new OS with the old HD disconnected,
the installer will see only the new HD and it will set the
newly installed OS's partition to be called "C:". When
the new OS runs, it will call the partition containing the old
OS "D:" (assuming that there are no other partitions). This
is OK unless one or the other HD has shortcuts that refer
to files on the other HD. While the new HD is the only HD
in the system, its OS will boot regardless whether it's Master
or Slave (assuming it's not Western Digital). With both HDs
connected, unless you reset the BIOS so that the HD boot
order puts the Slave HD at the head of the HD boot order,
the HD which is set as Master will boot (or, more accurately,
control the booting). Thus, you can control which HD controls
booting by resetting the HD boot order in the BIOS.

If you install the new OS while the old HD is still connected,
the installer will set the new OS to call its own partition "D:",
and it will set the boot.ini file on the new HD to dual-boot -
that is, you will be presented with 2 options from which to
select at boot time, each one designating one of the 2 OSes.

You could also just clone the OS from the old HD to the new
HD. That will give you 2 OSess, each calling its own partition
"C:" when it's running. To dual-boot between the two OSes,
you can either reset the HD boot order in the BIOS, or you can
put a 2nd entry in the boot.ini file of the Master HD so the loader
will let you decide at boot time. If that is what you want to do,
post another question on how to make a clone.

BTW, "boot device order" sets the TYPE of device that will
control booting, and the "hard drive boot order" sets which
hard drive will control booting.

*TimDaniels*

---------

The OS will be one, on new HD only, the old HD will be used as an additional
file storage.(reformatted).
This way, the option is to install the new OS with the old HD disconnected,
then just connect old HD as Slave?
Does Western Digital HDD have some specific? What HDD is better use, Western
Digital or Samsung?(they're both the same price, WD just have a bigger cashe
size -8MB)

How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in 'Advanced BIOS
features':

First boot device - Floppy
Second boot device - HDD-0
Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)

I need set first device CDROm.


Luminore

 

[Ron Sommer]

:
: : > If you install the new OS with the old HD disconnected,
: > the installer will see only the new HD and it will set the
: > newly installed OS's partition to be called "C:". When
: > the new OS runs, it will call the partition containing the old
: > OS "D:" (assuming that there are no other partitions). This
: > is OK unless one or the other HD has shortcuts that refer
: > to files on the other HD. While the new HD is the only HD
: > in the system, its OS will boot regardless whether it's Master
: > or Slave (assuming it's not Western Digital). With both HDs
: > connected, unless you reset the BIOS so that the HD boot
: > order puts the Slave HD at the head of the HD boot order,
: > the HD which is set as Master will boot (or, more accurately,
: > control the booting). Thus, you can control which HD controls
: > booting by resetting the HD boot order in the BIOS.
: >
: > If you install the new OS while the old HD is still connected,
: > the installer will set the new OS to call its own partition "D:",
: > and it will set the boot.ini file on the new HD to dual-boot -
: > that is, you will be presented with 2 options from which to
: > select at boot time, each one designating one of the 2 OSes.
: >
: > You could also just clone the OS from the old HD to the new
: > HD. That will give you 2 OSess, each calling its own partition
: > "C:" when it's running. To dual-boot between the two OSes,
: > you can either reset the HD boot order in the BIOS, or you can
: > put a 2nd entry in the boot.ini file of the Master HD so the loader
: > will let you decide at boot time. If that is what you want to do,
: > post another question on how to make a clone.
: >
: > BTW, "boot device order" sets the TYPE of device that will
: > control booting, and the "hard drive boot order" sets which
: > hard drive will control booting.
: >
: > *TimDaniels*
: >
: >
: > "Luminore" wrote:
: > > I will install second internal HD.
: > > MB is with embedded Ultra DMA-100 PCI IDE controller,
: > > and MB supports two IDE ports up to 4 ATAPI devices.
: > > I want set new HDD as primary and old HDD as secondary,
: > > so new HDD need be set as Master and old as Slave? I need
: > > install new OS on new HDD(via booting from CD), need I
: > > change something in BIOS, or system will boot this Master
: > > HDD as first Boot Device and there is no necessity to change
: > > anything in BIOS?
: ---------
:
: The OS will be one, on new HD only, the old HD will be used as an
additional
: file storage.(reformatted).
: This way, the option is to install the new OS with the old HD
disconnected,
: then just connect old HD as Slave?
: Does Western Digital HDD have some specific? What HDD is better use,
Western
: Digital or Samsung?(they're both the same price, WD just have a bigger
cashe
: size -8MB)
:
: How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in 'Advanced
BIOS
: features':
:
: First boot device - Floppy
: Second boot device - HDD-0
: Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)
:
: I need set first device CDROm.
:
:
: Luminore
:
:
Highlight Floppy
Look for directions on the bottom of the Bios screen.
Some use arrows to change.
Some use + / - to change.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

The most straight-forward way to arrive at this would
be to install the OS in the new HD with the old HD
disconnected. Then, after the installation is complete,
jumper the new HD as Master, and jumper the old HD
as Slave, and put the HDs back in the case. You don't
need to do anything with the BIOS except to put CD
drives at the head of the device type boot order before
you start the OS installation, and to put HDs at the head
of the device type boot order afterwards. Then, when
the OS has booted up, you can delete the WINDOWS
folder from the old HD and any other files that you don't
need, and keep those files that you want on what will
probably be called by the new OS the "D: Local Disk",
i.e. D partition.

Western Digital is a little different from other HD makers
in that their HDs have a jumper mode for lone HDs.
That is, if it's the only HD that is connected, it should be
jumpered in the mode called "Single".

I don't know the relative qualities of Western Digital and
Samsung hard drives. I do know that all hard drives
should be kept as cool as possible for longevity, and case
designs which put the hard drives right behind an air intake
keep the hard drives cool.. My Dell has the primary HD
mounted vertically with intake air blowing directly at the
circuit board, and the HD stays quite cool.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Luminore]

:
: : > If you install the new OS with the old HD disconnected,
: > the installer will see only the new HD and it will set the
: > newly installed OS's partition to be called "C:". When
: > the new OS runs, it will call the partition containing the old
: > OS "D:" (assuming that there are no other partitions). This
: > is OK unless one or the other HD has shortcuts that refer
: > to files on the other HD. While the new HD is the only HD
: > in the system, its OS will boot regardless whether it's Master
: > or Slave (assuming it's not Western Digital). With both HDs
: > connected, unless you reset the BIOS so that the HD boot
: > order puts the Slave HD at the head of the HD boot order,
: > the HD which is set as Master will boot (or, more accurately,
: > control the booting). Thus, you can control which HD controls
: > booting by resetting the HD boot order in the BIOS.
: >
: > If you install the new OS while the old HD is still connected,
: > the installer will set the new OS to call its own partition "D:",
: > and it will set the boot.ini file on the new HD to dual-boot -
: > that is, you will be presented with 2 options from which to
: > select at boot time, each one designating one of the 2 OSes.
: >
: > You could also just clone the OS from the old HD to the new
: > HD. That will give you 2 OSess, each calling its own partition
: > "C:" when it's running. To dual-boot between the two OSes,
: > you can either reset the HD boot order in the BIOS, or you can
: > put a 2nd entry in the boot.ini file of the Master HD so the loader
: > will let you decide at boot time. If that is what you want to do,
: > post another question on how to make a clone.
: >
: > BTW, "boot device order" sets the TYPE of device that will
: > control booting, and the "hard drive boot order" sets which
: > hard drive will control booting.
: >
: > *TimDaniels*
: >
: >
: > "Luminore" wrote:
: > > I will install second internal HD.
: > > MB is with embedded Ultra DMA-100 PCI IDE controller,
: > > and MB supports two IDE ports up to 4 ATAPI devices.
: > > I want set new HDD as primary and old HDD as secondary,
: > > so new HDD need be set as Master and old as Slave? I need
: > > install new OS on new HDD(via booting from CD), need I
: > > change something in BIOS, or system will boot this Master
: > > HDD as first Boot Device and there is no necessity to change
: > > anything in BIOS? ---------

: The OS will be one, on new HD only, the old HD will be used as an
additional
: file storage.(reformatted).
: This way, the option is to install the new OS with the old HD
disconnected,
: then just connect old HD as Slave?
: Does Western Digital HDD have some specific? What HDD is better use,
Western
: Digital or Samsung?(they're both the same price, WD just have a bigger
cashe
: size -8MB)

: How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in 'Advanced
BIOS
: features':

: First boot device - Floppy
: Second boot device - HDD-0
: Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)

: I need set first device CDROm.
: Luminore

Highlight Floppy
Look for directions on the bottom of the Bios screen.
Some use arrows to change.
Some use + / - to change. --
Ronald Sommer

--------

Problem is that there is no CDROM specified in BIOS, in CMOS Setup Utility
is set:

First boot device - Floppy
Second boot device - HDD-0
Third boot device - LS120

To change order I can highlight, then 'Enter'.
There is also notes below + / - /PU/PD:Value

 

[Ron Sommer]

:
: : >
snipped:
: > : How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in 'Advanced
: > BIOS
: > : features':
:
: > : First boot device - Floppy
: > : Second boot device - HDD-0
: > : Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)
:
: > : I need set first device CDROm.
: > : Luminore
:
: > Highlight Floppy
: > Look for directions on the bottom of the Bios screen.
: > Some use arrows to change.
: > Some use + / - to change.
: --
: > Ronald Sommer
: --------
:
: Problem is that there is no CDROM specified in BIOS, in CMOS Setup
Utility
: is set:
:
: First boot device - Floppy
: Second boot device - HDD-0
: Third boot device - LS120
:
: To change order I can highlight, then 'Enter'.
: There is also notes below + / - /PU/PD:Value

The device may be listed as DVD or CDrom.
Use Plus, Minus, or Page Up, Page Down to cycle through the entries for
First boot device.

 

[Luminore]

:
: : >
snipped:
: > : How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in 'Advanced
: > BIOS
: > : features':
:
: > : First boot device - Floppy
: > : Second boot device - HDD-0
: > : Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)
:
: > : I need set first device CDROm.
: > : Luminore
:
: > Highlight Floppy
: > Look for directions on the bottom of the Bios screen.
: > Some use arrows to change.
: > Some use + / - to change.
: --
: > Ronald Sommer
: --------
:
: Problem is that there is no CDROM specified in BIOS, in CMOS Setup
Utility
: is set:
:
: First boot device - Floppy
: Second boot device - HDD-0
: Third boot device - LS120
:
: To change order I can highlight, then 'Enter'.
: There is also notes below + / - /PU/PD:Value

The device may be listed as DVD or CDrom.
Use Plus, Minus, or Page Up, Page Down to cycle through the entries for
First boot device.

------

OK, I find it, selection via Page Up.

First boot device - CDRom
Second boot device - HDD-0
Third boot device - LS120

What the device type boot order need be set afterwards? Is this right?
What is LS120 ?

First boot device - HDD-0
Second boot device - CDRom
Third boot device - LS120


Luminore

 

[Ron Sommer]

:
: : >
: > : > :
: > : : > : >
: > snipped:
: > : > : How to change boot device order in BIOS? Currently i have in
: 'Advanced
: > : > BIOS
: > : > : features':
: > :
: > : > : First boot device - Floppy
: > : > : Second boot device - HDD-0
: > : > : Third boot device - LS120 (what's this?)
: > :
: > : > : I need set first device CDROm.
: > : > : Luminore
: > :
: > : > Highlight Floppy
: > : > Look for directions on the bottom of the Bios screen.
: > : > Some use arrows to change.
: > : > Some use + / - to change.
: > : --
: > : > Ronald Sommer
: > : --------
: > :
: > : Problem is that there is no CDROM specified in BIOS, in CMOS Setup
: > Utility
: > : is set:
: > :
: > : First boot device - Floppy
: > : Second boot device - HDD-0
: > : Third boot device - LS120
: > :
: > : To change order I can highlight, then 'Enter'.
: > : There is also notes below + / - /PU/PD:Value
: >
: > The device may be listed as DVD or CDrom.
: > Use Plus, Minus, or Page Up, Page Down to cycle through the entries for
: > First boot device.
: > --
: > Ronald Sommer
: ------
:
: OK, I find it, selection via Page Up.
:
: First boot device - CDRom
: Second boot device - HDD-0
: Third boot device - LS120
:
: What the device type boot order need be set afterwards? Is this right?
: What is LS120 ?
:
: First boot device - HDD-0
: Second boot device - CDRom
: Third boot device - LS120
:
:
: Luminore
:
It is not necessary to change the boot order.
The CD Rom can remain the first boot device.
The CD Rom will be accessed, if there is a bootable CD, it will boot.
If no bootable CD, then HDD-0 will boot.

The LS120, or SuperDisk, is a drive which supports a special floppy diskette
which can store up to 120MB of information as well as being backwards
compatible and still supporting the standard 1.44MB floppy diskettes.