ActiveX problem

G

Guest

I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX controls
required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from installing. When
VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow (about 8 minutes to boot
and about a further 3 minutes to log onto Outlook Express.) My computer is 6
years old, a Gateway 450SP running on Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram
and currently has 51 GB of hard disk space free. Long waits after each
operation with mouse pointer frozen or moving in jerks with a lot of disk
activity in the background would seem to indicate that the computer was
running out of memory.
I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
Internet Explorer .
I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.

1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
reinstalled same.
3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
but failed.
4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
Pack1.
5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .

Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?

Many Thanks
 
G

Guest

Many thanks for your reply.

When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
to delete destination) .
The McAfee ActiveX controls
are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
disappeared from the desktop.
 
G

Guest

Glenn
Many thanks for your advice. I had hoped that I might have been able to
avoid reformatting my hard disk although I had foreseen that as being the
ultimate solution.
Anyhow you appear to have had the same problem and found the solution and I
must be thankful for that.

Before proceeding I would welcome some further advice.

1. You say that you had to flag the updates. How do I go about that? Would
I be
flagging updates to download or ones to ignore.? Will I know which
ones to avoid? I seem to recall that, the last time I formatted my
hard disk, I had to install IE5 and then update it to ver.6 and there were an
awful lot of updates!.

2. How much backing up would you recommend me to do before formatting my
hard disk.? Would I be correct in assuming that If I backed up the
complete disk,with say Paragon Hard Disk Manager,and restored it after
reformatting the hard disk,I would end up where I started with all the bugs
and debris restored also?

I will be away from home (and my computer) until the middle or possibly the
end of next week so will not be taking steps to resolve my issue until after
I return.

I do appreciate your help.
 
P

PCR

Here is what that .bat wants to do...

.....Quote ManinstAXC.bat....
move mcgdmgr.dll %windir%\system
move mcinsctl.dll %windir%\system
cd %windir%\system
regsvr32 /s mcgdmgr.dll
regsvr32 /s mcinsctl.dll
......EOQ of that .bat...........

After a bit of experimentation, I see you will get that error, if "move" is tried & a file of that name & attributed Read-Only already exists in the destination...

C:\>move Msgdmgr.dll C:\Windows\System
Overwrite C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll (Yes/No/All)?y
C:\Msgdmgr.dll => C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll [Unable to delete destination]

C:\>attrib C:\Windows\System\Msgdmgr.dll
A R MCDMGR.DLL C:\Windows\System\mcdmgr.dll

SO...

(a) Open Explorer to C:\Windows\System
(b) R-Clk Msgdmgr.dll, & select Properties
(c) Uncheck the Read-Only attribute

Now, the .bat should work!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| Many thanks for your reply.
|
| When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
| removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
| message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
| to delete destination) .
| The McAfee ActiveX controls
| are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
| disappeared from the desktop.
|
| --
| JJ.Mac
|
|
| "glee" wrote:
|
| > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > > but failed.
| >
| > Failed how, exactly? At what point, with what error messages? The procedure
| > appears to be fairly simple:
| > http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=355550
| > --
| > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| >
| >
| >
| > | > > Forwarded to Win98 General Discussion via crosspost.
| > > --
| > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
| > >
| > > jj.mac wrote:
| > > > I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX
| > > > controls required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from
| > > > installing. When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > > > Outlook Express.) My computer is 6 years old, a Gateway 450SP running on
| > > > Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram and currently has 51 GB of hard disk
| > > > space free. Long waits after each operation with mouse pointer frozen or
| > > > moving in jerks with a lot of disk activity in the background would seem
| > > > to indicate that the computer was running out of memory.
| > > > I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
| > > > have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
| > > > installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
| > > > Internet Explorer .
| > > > I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.
| > > >
| > > > 1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
| > > > settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
| > > > 2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
| > > > reinstalled same.
| > > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > > > but failed.
| > > > 4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
| > > > Pack1.
| > > > 5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .
| > > >
| > > > Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
| > > > ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
| > > > If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
| > > > operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
| > > > would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?
| > > >
| > > > Many Thanks
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

Hi Glenn

One further point. I don’t think I receive automatic updates from
Microsoft. If I do I am not aware of it. Critical updates are installed
only when I choose them which I always do.
I’m taking off on my short break now and hope to return with a clearer head.

Regards and thanks in anticipation
 
G

Guest

-- Hi

Thank you for your offer of help. I have tried your suggested fix and yes
the file mcgdmgr.dll was moved into the Windows System directory but
unfortunately that did not solve the problem which incidentally I am having
with other programs also,not just VirusScan. As a check I tried to run
McAfee virtual technician and got the error message The ActiveX component
installation failed.
The problem appears to be within Internet Explorer 6.
Regards and thanks
JJ.Mac


PCR said:
Here is what that .bat wants to do...

.....Quote ManinstAXC.bat....
move mcgdmgr.dll %windir%\system
move mcinsctl.dll %windir%\system
cd %windir%\system
regsvr32 /s mcgdmgr.dll
regsvr32 /s mcinsctl.dll
......EOQ of that .bat...........

After a bit of experimentation, I see you will get that error, if "move" is tried & a file of that name & attributed Read-Only already exists in the destination...

C:\>move Msgdmgr.dll C:\Windows\System
Overwrite C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll (Yes/No/All)?y
C:\Msgdmgr.dll => C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll [Unable to delete destination]

C:\>attrib C:\Windows\System\Msgdmgr.dll
A R MCDMGR.DLL C:\Windows\System\mcdmgr.dll

SO...

(a) Open Explorer to C:\Windows\System
(b) R-Clk Msgdmgr.dll, & select Properties
(c) Uncheck the Read-Only attribute

Now, the .bat should work!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| Many thanks for your reply.
|
| When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
| removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
| message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
| to delete destination) .
| The McAfee ActiveX controls
| are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
| disappeared from the desktop.
|
| --
| JJ.Mac
|
|
| "glee" wrote:
|
| > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > > but failed.
| >
| > Failed how, exactly? At what point, with what error messages? The procedure
| > appears to be fairly simple:
| > http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=355550
| > --
| > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| >
| >
| >
| > | > > Forwarded to Win98 General Discussion via crosspost.
| > > --
| > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
| > >
| > > jj.mac wrote:
| > > > I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX
| > > > controls required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from
| > > > installing. When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > > > Outlook Express.) My computer is 6 years old, a Gateway 450SP running on
| > > > Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram and currently has 51 GB of hard disk
| > > > space free. Long waits after each operation with mouse pointer frozen or
| > > > moving in jerks with a lot of disk activity in the background would seem
| > > > to indicate that the computer was running out of memory.
| > > > I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
| > > > have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
| > > > installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
| > > > Internet Explorer .
| > > > I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.
| > > >
| > > > 1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
| > > > settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
| > > > 2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
| > > > reinstalled same.
| > > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > > > but failed.
| > > > 4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
| > > > Pack1.
| > > > 5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .
| > > >
| > > > Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
| > > > ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
| > > > If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
| > > > operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
| > > > would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?
| > > >
| > > > Many Thanks
| >
| >
 
P

PCR

I don't have or know the McAfee Virtual Technician. Is it crashing because it can't install it's ActiveX? Or is it saying it's examined your system & discovered a missing ActiveX component? What other applications have the same problem?

As far as your other complaint...
When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
(about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
Outlook Express.)

I had a similar experience with McAfee v.5.21.1000. With any Scan Engine other than v.4.3.20 (older OR newer!), I had to turn off the auto-System Scan or suffer sluggishness & Internet connection problems. Ask the people at McAfee whether there is an alternative Scan Engine for you-- especially if you are a paying customer!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
|
| -- Hi
|
| Thank you for your offer of help. I have tried your suggested fix and yes
| the file mcgdmgr.dll was moved into the Windows System directory but
| unfortunately that did not solve the problem which incidentally I am having
| with other programs also,not just VirusScan. As a check I tried to run
| McAfee virtual technician and got the error message The ActiveX component
| installation failed.
| The problem appears to be within Internet Explorer 6.
| Regards and thanks
| JJ.Mac
|
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
| > Here is what that .bat wants to do...
| >
| > .....Quote ManinstAXC.bat....
| > move mcgdmgr.dll %windir%\system
| > move mcinsctl.dll %windir%\system
| > cd %windir%\system
| > regsvr32 /s mcgdmgr.dll
| > regsvr32 /s mcinsctl.dll
| > ......EOQ of that .bat...........
| >
| > After a bit of experimentation, I see you will get that error, if "move" is tried & a file of that name & attributed Read-Only already exists in the destination...
| >
| > C:\>move Msgdmgr.dll C:\Windows\System
| > Overwrite C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll (Yes/No/All)?y
| > C:\Msgdmgr.dll => C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll [Unable to delete destination]
| >
| > C:\>attrib C:\Windows\System\Msgdmgr.dll
| > A R MCDMGR.DLL C:\Windows\System\mcdmgr.dll
| >
| > SO...
| >
| > (a) Open Explorer to C:\Windows\System
| > (b) R-Clk Msgdmgr.dll, & select Properties
| > (c) Uncheck the Read-Only attribute
| >
| > Now, the .bat should work!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > | Many thanks for your reply.
| > |
| > | When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
| > | removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
| > | message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
| > | to delete destination) .
| > | The McAfee ActiveX controls
| > | are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
| > | disappeared from the desktop.
| > |
| > | --
| > | JJ.Mac
| > |
| > |
| > | "glee" wrote:
| > |
| > | > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > > but failed.
| > | >
| > | > Failed how, exactly? At what point, with what error messages? The procedure
| > | > appears to be fairly simple:
| > | > http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=355550
| > | > --
| > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > Forwarded to Win98 General Discussion via crosspost.
| > | > > --
| > | > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
| > | > >
| > | > > jj.mac wrote:
| > | > > > I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX
| > | > > > controls required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from
| > | > > > installing. When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > | > > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > | > > > Outlook Express.) My computer is 6 years old, a Gateway 450SP running on
| > | > > > Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram and currently has 51 GB of hard disk
| > | > > > space free. Long waits after each operation with mouse pointer frozen or
| > | > > > moving in jerks with a lot of disk activity in the background would seem
| > | > > > to indicate that the computer was running out of memory.
| > | > > > I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
| > | > > > have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
| > | > > > installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
| > | > > > Internet Explorer .
| > | > > > I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > 1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
| > | > > > settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
| > | > > > 2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
| > | > > > reinstalled same.
| > | > > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > > > but failed.
| > | > > > 4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
| > | > > > Pack1.
| > | > > > 5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
| > | > > > ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
| > | > > > If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
| > | > > > operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
| > | > > > would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Many Thanks
| > | >
| > | >
| >
 
G

Guest

The answer is very simple and I don't have good news for you. You've just
lost your battle.

1. Support of Win 98se is finished within 10 days meaning that you have to
help yourself with any problem
2. Microsft lost a law suit recently and therefore had to change the way the
ActiveX controls are dealt with. It incorporated the changes into its April
Security Update that you installed on your PC. Therefore you have problems.
There are some patches for newer versions of Windows to give back old
functionality, but only for the period preceding June 15, after which date
the changes will be permanent.
If you still want to enjoy old functionality of ActiveX, you can uninstal
update Q912812 and everything will return to normality, but you would expose
yourself to some security problems that are solved by this update.
In order to be able to use ActiveX after June 15, the websites from which
you're downloading them should create their ActiveX controls in Java 1.5. It
well can be that Win 98 users will have to switch to Win XP
Regards,
Andrew
 
G

Guest

dear andrew, thank you very much for clearing up a lot of questions for me !
i would love to uninstall the Q912812-update, in spite of the security
risks, but don't know how to do this.
i can't find it in the add/remove software list (some other updates are
mentioned there, but not this one).
when i right-click Q912812.inf i can only choose install, not uninstall;
clicking install doesn't have any effect.
what to do ?
thanks !

"Andrew" schreef:
 
G

Guest

Hi Ekeim, I'm talking about Win 98se. The full name of this update (in
add/remove software) is 'Internet Explorer Q912812'. You can easily uninstall
it from this location.
Good luck,
Andrew
 
G

Guest

thanks andrew !
found it, uninstalled it, and now things work again.
i'm not so sorry now that updates for windows98 will soon stop, as some
updates are really downdates...
thanks again !

ekeim.

"Andrew" schreef:
 
G

Guest

Many thanks Andrew for identifying the offending update, Q912812. I know
that it is installed on my computer but it is not listed separately in
Add/Remove programs. On checking Windows Update installation history I can
find no record of Q912812 being installed but a cumulative security update
for Internet Explorer & Service Pack1 (KB912812) which was installed on 5 May
06 is listed. I therefore conclude that Q912812 had been incorporated as a
component of KB912812. However, whereas other updates (eg.KB908519 installed
on 8 Feb 06 or KB837009 installed on 2 June 06 ) are listed in Windows
Add/Remove Programs neither KB912812 (or Q912812) are shown. Perhaps when I
downloaded and installed IE6SETUP.EXE on 22 May 06 all previous updates were
incorporated into the program, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet
tools, which is listed in Add/Remove programs. It would therefore appear
that Q912812 was absorbed into KB912812 which in turn was absorbed into
IE6SP1. My problem now is that I cannot get to Q912812 in order to uninstall
it.
I have identified a key in the registry ,
{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f},located at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Active Setup/Installed
Components/{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f} which would appear to refer
to the update Q912812. Values shown in the right hand pane when the above
mentioned key is highlighted are as follows
Name Data
Ab[Default] Q912812
Ab Component ID Q912812
011
110 installed 0X00000001[1]
ab Version “6,0,2800,1815â€

I am wondering what would happen if I should delete that key?.
Andrew I would be very grateful if you could throw some light on any of the
above or provide me with some general guidance.
When you say that Microsoft will withdraw all support for Windows 98 2nd ed.
after 15 June does that mean that, should the need arise, I would be unable
to reinstall IE6 including security updates issued prior to that date? If
that is the case I might as well give up now.
Kind regards and thanks
 
G

Guest

The error message I get when I try to run McAfee Virtual Technician is that
it cannot check my computer because the activeX component failed.
McAfee Virtual Technician is a McAfee Support tool which scans your computer
to make sure that your McAfee products are working correctly. It is a
program that McAfee likes you to run before calling a live technician.
Another program which has failed is the Hewlett Packard product detection
tool which automatically detects product names /numbers etc. The program
attempts to install a plug in. Then an error message is received “HP product
detection unable to continue†because inter alia “your internet security
options are set to disable downloading of activeX components. Check that
privacy level is set no higher than Medium High.†It is not.
Others are or have had the same problem as I am having and it appears that
the root cause is a recent update issued by Microsoft which has changed the
functionality of ActiveX.
I do not see the slowing down of my computer as being a separate unrelated
problem.
I know that VirusScan can and does adversely impact on the speed of the
computer but the extreme sluggishness now experienced started with the
ActiveX failures.
To combat the problem in McAfee VirusScan I have deselected “Start
ActiveShield when Windows starts†and in advanced options I have selected
File types to scan “ Program files and documents onlyâ€. My modus operandi at
present is to boot up the computer and leave VirusScan disabled until
immediately before making a dial up connection to the internet. Then when I
would come off the internet I would disable VirusScan again. I am working on
the assumption that there is no possible threat of virus infection except
when I am on the internet or installing a program/data eg. from a CD of
dubious origin.
I am working wityh VirusScan ver10 . Engine version 4400
Regards and thanks

--
JJ.Mac


PCR said:
I don't have or know the McAfee Virtual Technician. Is it crashing because it can't install it's ActiveX? Or is it saying it's examined your system & discovered a missing ActiveX component? What other applications have the same problem?

As far as your other complaint...
When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
(about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
Outlook Express.)

I had a similar experience with McAfee v.5.21.1000. With any Scan Engine other than v.4.3.20 (older OR newer!), I had to turn off the auto-System Scan or suffer sluggishness & Internet connection problems. Ask the people at McAfee whether there is an alternative Scan Engine for you-- especially if you are a paying customer!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
|
| -- Hi
|
| Thank you for your offer of help. I have tried your suggested fix and yes
| the file mcgdmgr.dll was moved into the Windows System directory but
| unfortunately that did not solve the problem which incidentally I am having
| with other programs also,not just VirusScan. As a check I tried to run
| McAfee virtual technician and got the error message The ActiveX component
| installation failed.
| The problem appears to be within Internet Explorer 6.
| Regards and thanks
| JJ.Mac
|
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
| > Here is what that .bat wants to do...
| >
| > .....Quote ManinstAXC.bat....
| > move mcgdmgr.dll %windir%\system
| > move mcinsctl.dll %windir%\system
| > cd %windir%\system
| > regsvr32 /s mcgdmgr.dll
| > regsvr32 /s mcinsctl.dll
| > ......EOQ of that .bat...........
| >
| > After a bit of experimentation, I see you will get that error, if "move" is tried & a file of that name & attributed Read-Only already exists in the destination...
| >
| > C:\>move Msgdmgr.dll C:\Windows\System
| > Overwrite C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll (Yes/No/All)?y
| > C:\Msgdmgr.dll => C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll [Unable to delete destination]
| >
| > C:\>attrib C:\Windows\System\Msgdmgr.dll
| > A R MCDMGR.DLL C:\Windows\System\mcdmgr.dll
| >
| > SO...
| >
| > (a) Open Explorer to C:\Windows\System
| > (b) R-Clk Msgdmgr.dll, & select Properties
| > (c) Uncheck the Read-Only attribute
| >
| > Now, the .bat should work!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > | Many thanks for your reply.
| > |
| > | When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
| > | removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
| > | message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
| > | to delete destination) .
| > | The McAfee ActiveX controls
| > | are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
| > | disappeared from the desktop.
| > |
| > | --
| > | JJ.Mac
| > |
| > |
| > | "glee" wrote:
| > |
| > | > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > > but failed.
| > | >
| > | > Failed how, exactly? At what point, with what error messages? The procedure
| > | > appears to be fairly simple:
| > | > http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=355550
| > | > --
| > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > Forwarded to Win98 General Discussion via crosspost.
| > | > > --
| > | > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
| > | > >
| > | > > jj.mac wrote:
| > | > > > I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX
| > | > > > controls required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from
| > | > > > installing. When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > | > > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > | > > > Outlook Express.) My computer is 6 years old, a Gateway 450SP running on
| > | > > > Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram and currently has 51 GB of hard disk
| > | > > > space free. Long waits after each operation with mouse pointer frozen or
| > | > > > moving in jerks with a lot of disk activity in the background would seem
| > | > > > to indicate that the computer was running out of memory.
| > | > > > I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
| > | > > > have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
| > | > > > installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
| > | > > > Internet Explorer .
| > | > > > I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > 1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
| > | > > > settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
| > | > > > 2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
| > | > > > reinstalled same.
| > | > > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > > > but failed.
| > | > > > 4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
| > | > > > Pack1.
| > | > > > 5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
| > | > > > ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
| > | > > > If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
| > | > > > operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
| > | > > > would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Many Thanks
| > | >
| > | >
| >
 
G

Guest

Hi jj.mac
1. The full name of this update (in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs
Properties Software) is: 'Internet Explorer Q912812'. You can easily
uninstall it from this location, if it's there. Double-check it!
If you really can't find it and made in the meantime a cumulative update,
then it can be incorporated in it, but I don't have enough details about it
and would discourage you to make changes in the Registry without being
absolutely sure.
Of course, as usuall, backup your Registry first
2. After June 15 there will be
- No security updates,
- no chance to call Microsoft Support, even when paying per incident
- Knowledge Base will be there for another year, but downloads most likely not
The worst thing is that Windows Vista will be available in Jan. 2007 and
after such a long waiting period it wouldn't make any sense to buy now Win XP
for half a year.
This is just the beginning, I'm afraid. My bank informed me last week that
they stop supporting Internet banking for clients with Win 98se after Jun 15,
as Microsoft stops supporting it either.
Good luck,
Andrew


jj.mac said:
Many thanks Andrew for identifying the offending update, Q912812. I know
that it is installed on my computer but it is not listed separately in
Add/Remove programs. On checking Windows Update installation history I can
find no record of Q912812 being installed but a cumulative security update
for Internet Explorer & Service Pack1 (KB912812) which was installed on 5 May
06 is listed. I therefore conclude that Q912812 had been incorporated as a
component of KB912812. However, whereas other updates (eg.KB908519 installed
on 8 Feb 06 or KB837009 installed on 2 June 06 ) are listed in Windows
Add/Remove Programs neither KB912812 (or Q912812) are shown. Perhaps when I
downloaded and installed IE6SETUP.EXE on 22 May 06 all previous updates were
incorporated into the program, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet
tools, which is listed in Add/Remove programs. It would therefore appear
that Q912812 was absorbed into KB912812 which in turn was absorbed into
IE6SP1. My problem now is that I cannot get to Q912812 in order to uninstall
it.
I have identified a key in the registry ,
{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f},located at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Active Setup/Installed
Components/{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f} which would appear to refer
to the update Q912812. Values shown in the right hand pane when the above
mentioned key is highlighted are as follows
Name Data
Ab[Default] Q912812
Ab Component ID Q912812
011
110 installed 0X00000001[1]
ab Version “6,0,2800,1815â€

I am wondering what would happen if I should delete that key?.
Andrew I would be very grateful if you could throw some light on any of the
above or provide me with some general guidance.
When you say that Microsoft will withdraw all support for Windows 98 2nd ed.
after 15 June does that mean that, should the need arise, I would be unable
to reinstall IE6 including security updates issued prior to that date? If
that is the case I might as well give up now.
Kind regards and thanks

--
JJ.Mac


Andrew said:
The answer is very simple and I don't have good news for you. You've just
lost your battle.

1. Support of Win 98se is finished within 10 days meaning that you have to
help yourself with any problem
2. Microsft lost a law suit recently and therefore had to change the way the
ActiveX controls are dealt with. It incorporated the changes into its April
Security Update that you installed on your PC. Therefore you have problems.
There are some patches for newer versions of Windows to give back old
functionality, but only for the period preceding June 15, after which date
the changes will be permanent.
If you still want to enjoy old functionality of ActiveX, you can uninstal
update Q912812 and everything will return to normality, but you would expose
yourself to some security problems that are solved by this update.
In order to be able to use ActiveX after June 15, the websites from which
you're downloading them should create their ActiveX controls in Java 1.5. It
well can be that Win 98 users will have to switch to Win XP
Regards,
Andrew
 
P

PCR

McAfee Scan Engine v.4400 slows my computer & makes NET access impossible. I had to revert to v.4.3.20 or turn off Auto-System Scan. Your newer McAfee doesn't allow turning off just that one.

But you are right. No engine slows things quite like you report. Also, as Hewlett Packard has ActiveX problems like your McAfee, it does seem ActiveX is at fault.

(a) What do you see at... "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files"?
Those have an involvement with ActiveX. If you delete them, they should reload when a site needs one.

(b) What was the recent update you took that mussed your ActiveX? Do you see it at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| The error message I get when I try to run McAfee Virtual Technician is that
| it cannot check my computer because the activeX component failed.
| McAfee Virtual Technician is a McAfee Support tool which scans your computer
| to make sure that your McAfee products are working correctly. It is a
| program that McAfee likes you to run before calling a live technician.
| Another program which has failed is the Hewlett Packard product detection
| tool which automatically detects product names /numbers etc. The program
| attempts to install a plug in. Then an error message is received “HP product
| detection unable to continue†because inter alia “your internet security
| options are set to disable downloading of activeX components. Check that
| privacy level is set no higher than Medium High.†It is not.
| Others are or have had the same problem as I am having and it appears that
| the root cause is a recent update issued by Microsoft which has changed the
| functionality of ActiveX.
| I do not see the slowing down of my computer as being a separate unrelated
| problem.
| I know that VirusScan can and does adversely impact on the speed of the
| computer but the extreme sluggishness now experienced started with the
| ActiveX failures.
| To combat the problem in McAfee VirusScan I have deselected “Start
| ActiveShield when Windows starts†and in advanced options I have selected
| File types to scan “ Program files and documents onlyâ€. My modus operandi at
| present is to boot up the computer and leave VirusScan disabled until
| immediately before making a dial up connection to the internet. Then when I
| would come off the internet I would disable VirusScan again. I am working on
| the assumption that there is no possible threat of virus infection except
| when I am on the internet or installing a program/data eg. from a CD of
| dubious origin.
| I am working wityh VirusScan ver10 . Engine version 4400
| Regards and thanks
|
| --
| JJ.Mac
|
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
| > I don't have or know the McAfee Virtual Technician. Is it crashing because it can't install it's ActiveX? Or is it saying it's examined your system & discovered a missing ActiveX component? What other applications have the same problem?
| >
| > As far as your other complaint...
| >
| > > When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > > Outlook Express.)
| >
| > I had a similar experience with McAfee v.5.21.1000. With any Scan Engine other than v.4.3.20 (older OR newer!), I had to turn off the auto-System Scan or suffer sluggishness & Internet connection problems. Ask the people at McAfee whether there is an alternative Scan Engine for you-- especially if you are a paying customer!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > |
| > | -- Hi
| > |
| > | Thank you for your offer of help. I have tried your suggested fix and yes
| > | the file mcgdmgr.dll was moved into the Windows System directory but
| > | unfortunately that did not solve the problem which incidentally I am having
| > | with other programs also,not just VirusScan. As a check I tried to run
| > | McAfee virtual technician and got the error message The ActiveX component
| > | installation failed.
| > | The problem appears to be within Internet Explorer 6.
| > | Regards and thanks
| > | JJ.Mac
| > |
| > |
| > | "PCR" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Here is what that .bat wants to do...
| > | >
| > | > .....Quote ManinstAXC.bat....
| > | > move mcgdmgr.dll %windir%\system
| > | > move mcinsctl.dll %windir%\system
| > | > cd %windir%\system
| > | > regsvr32 /s mcgdmgr.dll
| > | > regsvr32 /s mcinsctl.dll
| > | > ......EOQ of that .bat...........
| > | >
| > | > After a bit of experimentation, I see you will get that error, if "move" is tried & a file of that name & attributed Read-Only already exists in the destination...
| > | >
| > | > C:\>move Msgdmgr.dll C:\Windows\System
| > | > Overwrite C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll (Yes/No/All)?y
| > | > C:\Msgdmgr.dll => C:\WINDOWS\System\Msgdmgr.dll [Unable to delete destination]
| > | >
| > | > C:\>attrib C:\Windows\System\Msgdmgr.dll
| > | > A R MCDMGR.DLL C:\Windows\System\mcdmgr.dll
| > | >
| > | > SO...
| > | >
| > | > (a) Open Explorer to C:\Windows\System
| > | > (b) R-Clk Msgdmgr.dll, & select Properties
| > | > (c) Uncheck the Read-Only attribute
| > | >
| > | > Now, the .bat should work!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > (e-mail address removed)
| > | > | Many thanks for your reply.
| > | > |
| > | > | When I execute ManinstAXC.bat only one of two .dll files (Mcinscti.dll) is
| > | > | removed from the desktop. In respect of the other file I get an error
| > | > | message C:\Windows\Desktop\mcgdmgr.dll=>c:\Windows\System\msgdmgr.dll (unable
| > | > | to delete destination) .
| > | > | The McAfee ActiveX controls
| > | > | are not successfully installed and registered unless both files have
| > | > | disappeared from the desktop.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | JJ.Mac
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "glee" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > | > > but failed.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Failed how, exactly? At what point, with what error messages? The procedure
| > | > | > appears to be fairly simple:
| > | > | > http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=355550
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > > Forwarded to Win98 General Discussion via crosspost.
| > | > | > > --
| > | > | > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | > | > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > jj.mac wrote:
| > | > | > > > I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX
| > | > | > > > controls required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from
| > | > | > > > installing. When VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow
| > | > | > > > (about 8 minutes to boot and about a further 3 minutes to log onto
| > | > | > > > Outlook Express.) My computer is 6 years old, a Gateway 450SP running on
| > | > | > > > Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram and currently has 51 GB of hard disk
| > | > | > > > space free. Long waits after each operation with mouse pointer frozen or
| > | > | > > > moving in jerks with a lot of disk activity in the background would seem
| > | > | > > > to indicate that the computer was running out of memory.
| > | > | > > > I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
| > | > | > > > have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
| > | > | > > > installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
| > | > | > > > Internet Explorer .
| > | > | > > > I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > > 1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
| > | > | > > > settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
| > | > | > > > 2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
| > | > | > > > reinstalled same.
| > | > | > > > 3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
| > | > | > > > but failed.
| > | > | > > > 4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
| > | > | > > > Pack1.
| > | > | > > > 5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > > Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
| > | > | > > > ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
| > | > | > > > If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
| > | > | > > > operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
| > | > | > > > would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > > Many Thanks
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
 
L

Lee

Caution might be advised in giving advise to remove ActiveX components
from Windows\Downloaded Program Files folder - they may not be
reloadable due to update 912812 which is known far and wide to break
ActiveX functionality.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=912812 (last item is of note here)
"Microsoft plans to address the issue " - oh, I hope so.

Only solutions I know of for broken ActiveX after 912812 has been
applied is to remove 912812 or follow xenomorph's 'fix' below which
appears to allow one to use 912812 with a couple of retrograded files
and registry entries. Of course retrograded files are direct holes in
security but until MS actually produces a fix for 98 (the only product
left out of the ActiveX fix release...) we have no other options for
broken ActiveX after a run in with update 912812. 912812 will show in
Add/Remove Programs list as 'Internet Explorer Q912812' if it installed
properly.

http://xenomorph.net/misc/legacy.php


McAfee Scan Engine v.4400 slows my computer & makes NET access impossible. I had to revert to v.4.3.20 or turn off Auto-System Scan. Your newer McAfee doesn't allow turning off just that one.

But you are right. No engine slows things quite like you report. Also, as Hewlett Packard has ActiveX problems like your McAfee, it does seem ActiveX is at fault.

(a) What do you see at... "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files"?
Those have an involvement with ActiveX. If you delete them, they should reload when a site needs one.

(b) What was the recent update you took that mussed your ActiveX? Do you see it at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
<snip>
 

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