A toughy.

[Glenn]

A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape
better than Thunderbird and this was my response.
Perhaps someone here could answer my reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.

I don't like it as well as OE but if you noticed how
my posts had sentences fragmented, OE was doing
that. It also screwed up my screen each time I hit
"send".

Now that I am using thunderbird, I may try to delete
OE completely and see if I can reload it in a good
state..

Little recent history on my OE's. I formated the hd
on my old puter and reloaded from scratch a new
win98. It is routed together with this one. Anyway
the old version of OE that was on the 98 cd worked
and through M$ updates, brought it up to the latest
version and it works perfectly.

I'm just hesitant about messing with a working xp
pro on this puter. If I am successful in deleting
OE here, I wonder if re-running the install cd would
just do a clean reload of the missing OE or mess up
something else at the same time. None of the forums
will touch that question because they evidently
don't know. ?????????????

Glenn

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

First off, you have XP Pro, therefore, you cannot delete IE/OE, as it is a
core part of the XP program, and deleting any of these files will seriously
damage your XP program. But, you can disable it, or repair it. I would
suggest a repair at this point and see if that helps, as some files may have
become corrupted. I have listed information on how to repair XP.

How to Reinstall or Repair Internet Explorer and Outlook Express in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378
If you have SP2 then read the SP2 section of these instructions:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378#XSLTH3130121123120121120120

Hope this helps

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A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape better than
Thunderbird and this was my response. Perhaps someone here could answer my
reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.

Thunderbird is by Mozilla:
http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/features.html

 

[Glenn]

Thanks Jan. If I am reading this thing right...........

Windows XP SP2: Reinstall Windows XP SP2

It is saying with SP2, I need not change anything in
the regs, just reinstall SP2? And that will fix OE?
The fixes for SP1 sound more plausible but I DO
have SP2 so that is the only thing that applys?
Seems like I tried that recently and it did nothing
to stop the fragmenting etc but I have been fighting
it for so long that by now I have forgotten what all
I HAVE tried.

Glenn

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

I would suggest that you uninstall the SP2 before repairing XP:

How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp,
then

Repair XP, follow the directions to reinstall the SP2, then immediately
visit the Windows update to reinstall all the necessary updates.

In regards the fragmentation, I have no way to know how your posts looked as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be due to how you have
your OE set up. Can you explain what you mean by fragmented? Perhaps post
a small example here so we can see what it is doing? You may be able to make
a simple setting adjustment to resolve that part of the problem.

Hope this helps

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[Glenn]

Hi Glenn

I would suggest that you uninstall the SP2 before repairing XP:

When I get the time, I will try that. It makes sense.

How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp,
then

Repair XP, follow the directions to reinstall the SP2, then immediately
visit the Windows update to reinstall all the necessary updates.

The following paragraph is an example what was
happening in OE
***************************************************************

In regards the fragmentation, I have no way to know how your posts
looked

as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be
due to

how you have your OE set up. Can you explain what you mean by
fragmented? Perhaps post a small example here so we can

see what it
is

doing? You may be able to make a simple setting adjustment to resolve
that part of the problem.

***********************************************************
Looks weird, doesn't it? This stuff started after I
had used OE for years so I doubt that a setting
would have changed and I sure never made the change.
The balance of the problem that I never bothered
to spell out because a re-load should fix it too.

*******************
Running a P4 /w 2.2 G and 512M memory.

OE6 6.00.2900.2180 (XPSP_SP2_rtm.040803-2158)

(I need to put a blank line at the top.)

OK. My problems. The line above is because it
often (but not always) cuts off the first 3 words of
a post. Can't find out why. Anyone??

I have mine set up with the list of subjects on top
and the "From: To: and Subject" window on the
bottom half. Always have and assume it is standard
with most folks. When I reply to a post, it used to
just send and return me to the post I was replying
to. Now it erases the top window except for the
little squares showing where the subjects WERE. It
hangs up there until I click a different folder
(newsgroup) and then go back to my original one
(like yours) and it will list normally again except
it starts at the top again and I have to scroll down
to the post I was replying to. What has changed? I
have run 6 different virus finders and none of them
find anything. I just checked and I have all the MS
updates.

This is a hard thing to explain and maybe I failed
but feel free to ask me for any clarification you
need and I'll try. One friend wants me to try
Firefox but I have used MS since there was a MS and
want to continue but this is driving me nuts. (I
have since gone to thunderbird but hope to go back.)

Glenn

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

Comments in-line below:

When I get the time, I will try that. It makes sense.
Good.

The following paragraph is an example what was happening in OE
***************************************************************
as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be due to
see what it
is
***********************************************************
Looks weird, doesn't it? This stuff started after I had used OE for years
so I doubt that a setting would have changed and I sure never made the
change. The balance of the problem that I never bothered to spell out
because a re-load should fix it too.

Does this happen when you send an e-mail, or does it only happen when you
post to the newsgroups?

*******************
Running a P4 /w 2.2 G and 512M memory.

OE6 6.00.2900.2180 (XPSP_SP2_rtm.040803-2158)

(I need to put a blank line at the top.)

OK. My problems. The line above is because it often (but not always)
cuts off the first 3 words of a post. Can't find out why. Anyone??

I have mine set up with the list of subjects on top and the "From: To:
and Subject" window on the bottom half. Always have and assume it is
standard with most folks. When I reply to a post, it used to just send
and return me to the post I was replying to. Now it erases the top window
except for the little squares showing where the subjects WERE. It hangs
up there until I click a different folder (newsgroup) and then go back to
my original one (like yours) and it will list normally again except it
starts at the top again and I have to scroll down to the post I was
replying to. What has changed? I have run 6 different virus finders and
none of them find anything. I just checked and I have all the MS updates.

This is a hard thing to explain and maybe I failed but feel free to ask me
for any clarification you need and I'll try. One friend wants me to try
Firefox but I have used MS since there was a MS and want to continue but
this is driving me nuts. (I have since gone to thunderbird but hope to go
back.)

This does sound as if there is some corruption in the program, and hopefully
the repair will correct iRestore to a date prior to the problem? Something
may have happened that can be corrected by doing a restore. I would
recommend that you try a System Restore first and see if that does not help
resolve the problem. Here are the instructions on how to do that in case
you need them. This will undo any harmful events that may have taken place
since the last restore point.

How to do a System Restore in XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Hope this helps

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[Noel Paton]

The 'fragmentation' could simply be the line-length restriction.
Tools|Options|Send for outgoing 'fragmentation'

or having a narrow window to view it in - what happens if the email is
opened maximised?


--
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[Jan Il]

Hi Noel

The 'fragmentation' could simply be the line-length restriction.
Tools|Options|Send for outgoing 'fragmentation'

or having a narrow window to view it in - what happens if the email is
opened maximised?

Yes..that could very well be the cause of the fragmentation. However, I
don't know what those items are in the OP's OE. Is it only what "he" is
seeing when he opens that post, or is it being seen that way by others?
That is why I was interested a link or information to see an actual post so
we could see how it looks to others.

Jan
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[Glenn]

Hi Glenn

Comments in-line below:



Does this happen when you send an e-mail, or does it only happen when
you post to the newsgroups?

Both and to answer another helper, I run 1600 X 1200
res and this was breaking 1/2 way across and it is
NOT doing it under thunderbird, only OE.

This does sound as if there is some corruption in the program, and
hopefully the repair will correct iRestore to a date prior to the
problem? Something may have happened that can be corrected by doing a
restore. I would recommend that you try a System Restore first and see
if that does not help resolve the problem. Here are the instructions on
how to do that in case you need them. This will undo any harmful events
that may have taken place since the last restore point.

How to do a System Restore in XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Not being afraid to try anything and I do, System
Restore has been my savior many, many times but I
tried that sometime back when I TRIED to go back
before this started and even then, I didn't seem to
go back far enough. I have been convinced for some
time a re-load was the only answer. You will note
that I said OE is working fine on the other computer
but I hadn't been able to reload it on this one. As
you remember, this correspondence is through
thunderbird until this computer is cleared of the bug.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

Then I suggest that you do the IE repair that I have provided. See if that
will resolved the issue. But first, try updating your video driver: It
can't hurt. IE is pretty rough on them, and they can become corrupted.

How To Update Video Driver

If you don't know the loacation of your Video driver, or how to find it:
Location for XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q314854
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/learnmore/updatingdrivers.mspx
or......
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q314854
Find the information on your video driver. Then go to the website for mfg.
of the video driver and look for the update to download and install. There
may also be a Update Driver button on the dialog box you can use to go
direct to the update download site.

also........

Try reducing hardware acceleration:
Right click on the Desktop on an open area,
Properties>Settings>Advanced>Troubleshoot
Move the slider back to the left a little and test to see if that helps.
Try it at increments until you get all the way to the left end to see if
that helps.

Hope this helps

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[Sandi Hardmeier - MVP]

I don't like it as well as OE but if you noticed how my posts had
sentences fragmented, OE was doing that. It also screwed up my screen
each time I hit "send".

The quoting problem of which you speak is fixed in XPSP2... but it is
dependent on using the correct encoding option when composing replies, and
also the encoding of the message to which you are replying - repairing OE/IE
will make absolutely no difference in such circumstances UNLESS you are
running XPSP2 and the following line does not appear in your headers, and
you are set up properly:

X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original

Also, you have no control over any bad quoting that already exists in a
reply. I'd like to see headers your copy of OE generates, but to do that
you would need to post to this group using OE running using your preferred
settings.

--
__________________________________________
Sandi's Site has changed - for instructions on how to
find old URLs, go here:
http://msmvps.com/spywaresucks/archive/2005/05/14/46971.aspx

Hyperlinks used to ensure advice is current
Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org

 

[Glenn]

Hi Sandi,

Just for you this is in OE.

I have had sp2 since it came out. I'll keep talking just to get enough
lines to see if this paragraph fragments even though I'm just about talked
out on the problem. This is the time for all good men to come to the aid
of
their country. Maybe this will fragment but I have no idea until I send
it.
by the way, in case the first line is chopped it is Hi Sandi. That is
sometimes missing.

Glenn

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

Here is a free little free utility called Quote Fix that does a good job of
correcting some errant text problems, especailly, in newsgroups:

Quote Fix: - Free
http://www.linktz.com/3rd-party/OE-QuoteFix/index.html
Download
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix

also...

Check the Tools>Options>Send
See if the "Reply to messages in the format in which they were sent" is
checked. If it is, uncheck it and see if that changes anything.

See if that makes any difference. Perhaps not, but, I have found that some
formats work differently with some types of other formats fo messages that I
responde to, both in newsgroups and e-mails.


Hope this helps

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[Glenn]

Between the stars was one continuous paragraph.

To me here, it is fragmented, is it on your end?

(Sent via thunderbird)

Glenn

 

[Glenn]

Jan,

I have your little ditty on board and I will type enough lines to make a
paragraph. There will be no carriage returns in this paragraph. I
downloaded the recommended program and installed it. If this sounds like
drivel, you are right, I'm just trying to fill out a paragraph. Looking at
the authors illustration, this is a common thing. I wonder why, with it
being so common that although I have described the phenomena many times on
this forum, you are the only one to recognize it and address it?

(Paragraph) It is just sitting there in the tray doing nothing. I can
click on it and it brings up a popup that does nothing. Maybe it works on
its own and behind the lines? Here goes. [g]

Glenn

 

[Glenn]

I can download it with both thunderbird and OE and it ISN'T fragmented on
this end. Maybe the little ditty works. Strangely though, it IS fragmented
in my 'sent items' directory. It still clears the top screen on send though
so maybe I still will have to go through with your more radical suggestion.
I'll be interested to see if this goes through clear as I'm not even
clicking the icon on the tray.
Glenn

Jan,

I have your little ditty on board and I will type enough lines to make a
paragraph. There will be no carriage returns in this paragraph. I
downloaded the recommended program and installed it. If this sounds like
drivel, you are right, I'm just trying to fill out a paragraph. Looking
at the authors illustration, this is a common thing. I wonder why, with
it being so common that although I have described the phenomena many times
on > this forum, you are the only one to recognize it and address it?

(Paragraph) It is just sitting there in the tray doing nothing. I can
click on it and it brings up a popup that does nothing. Maybe it works on
its own and behind the lines? Here goes. [g]

Glenn

Hi Glenn

Here is a free little free utility called Quote Fix that does a good
job of correcting some errant text problems, especailly, in
newsgroups:
Quote Fix: - Free
http://www.linktz.com/3rd-party/OE-QuoteFix/index.html
Download
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix

also...

Check the Tools>Options>Send
See if the "Reply to messages in the format in which they were sent"
is checked. If it is, uncheck it and see if that changes anything.

See if that makes any difference. Perhaps not, but, I have found
that some formats work differently with some types of other formats
fo messages that I responde to, both in newsgroups and e-mails.


Hope this helps

Jan
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[Glenn]

It downloaded clean but you should see it in my 'sent items' directory. It
fragmented THREE LINES and is a mess. I guess I shouldn't care as long as
it goes through clear as I don't use the sent items that often and them they
can be cleaned up. It still clears the top screen though. Hmmm, I see the
icon that was in the sys tray is gone. Maybe it gave up.

Glenn

I can download it with both thunderbird and OE and it ISN'T fragmented on
this end. Maybe the little ditty works. Strangely though, it IS
fragmented in my 'sent items' directory. It still clears the top screen on
send though so maybe I still will have to go through with your more radical
suggestion. I'll be interested to see if this goes through clear as I'm not
even clicking the icon on the tray.
Glenn

Jan,

I have your little ditty on board and I will type enough lines to make a
paragraph. There will be no carriage returns in this paragraph. I
downloaded the recommended program and installed it. If this sounds like
drivel, you are right, I'm just trying to fill out a paragraph. Looking
at the authors illustration, this is a common thing. I wonder why, with
it being so common that although I have described the phenomena many
times on > this forum, you are the only one to recognize it and address
it?

(Paragraph) It is just sitting there in the tray doing nothing. I can
click on it and it brings up a popup that does nothing. Maybe it works
on its own and behind the lines? Here goes. [g]

Glenn

Hi Glenn

Here is a free little free utility called Quote Fix that does a good
job of correcting some errant text problems, especailly, in
newsgroups:
Quote Fix: - Free
http://www.linktz.com/3rd-party/OE-QuoteFix/index.html
Download
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix

also...

Check the Tools>Options>Send
See if the "Reply to messages in the format in which they were sent"
is checked. If it is, uncheck it and see if that changes anything.

See if that makes any difference. Perhaps not, but, I have found
that some formats work differently with some types of other formats
fo messages that I responde to, both in newsgroups and e-mails.


Hope this helps

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Jan Il wrote:
Hi Glenn

Comments in-line below:



Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

I would suggest that you uninstall the SP2 before repairing XP:


When I get the time, I will try that. It makes sense.


Good.


How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp,
then

Repair XP, follow the directions to reinstall the SP2, then
immediately visit the Windows update to reinstall all the
necessary updates.


The following paragraph is an example what was happening in OE
***************************************************************

In regards the fragmentation, I have no way to know how your posts
looked

as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be due to

how you have your OE set up. Can you explain what you mean by
fragmented? Perhaps post a small example here so we can

see what it
is

doing? You may be able to make a simple setting adjustment to
resolve that part of the problem.

***********************************************************
Looks weird, doesn't it? This stuff started after I had used OE
for years so I doubt that a setting would have changed and I sure
never made the change. The balance of the problem that I never
bothered to spell out because a re-load should fix it too.


Does this happen when you send an e-mail, or does it only happen
when you post to the newsgroups?

Both and to answer another helper, I run 1600 X 1200 res and this was
breaking 1/2 way across and it is NOT doing it under thunderbird,
only OE.


*******************
Running a P4 /w 2.2 G and 512M memory.

OE6 6.00.2900.2180 (XPSP_SP2_rtm.040803-2158)

(I need to put a blank line at the top.)

OK. My problems. The line above is because it often (but not
always) cuts off the first 3 words of a post. Can't find out why.
Anyone?? I have mine set up with the list of subjects on top and the
"From:
To: and Subject" window on the bottom half. Always have and
assume it is standard with most folks. When I reply to a post, it
used to just send and return me to the post I was replying to. Now it
erases the top window except for the little squares showing
where the subjects WERE. It hangs up there until I click a
different folder (newsgroup) and then go back to my original one
(like yours) and it will list normally again except it starts at
the top again and I have to scroll down to the post I was replying
to. What has changed? I have run 6 different virus finders and
none of them find anything. I just checked and I have all the MS
updates. This is a hard thing to explain and maybe I failed but feel
free
to ask me for any clarification you need and I'll try. One friend
wants me to try Firefox but I have used MS since there was a MS
and want to continue but this is driving me nuts. (I have since
gone to thunderbird but hope to go back.)


This does sound as if there is some corruption in the program, and
hopefully the repair will correct iRestore to a date prior to the
problem? Something may have happened that can be corrected by
doing a restore. I would recommend that you try a System Restore
first and see if that does not help resolve the problem. Here are
the instructions on how to do that in case you need them. This will
undo any harmful events that may have taken place since the last
restore point. How to do a System Restore in XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Not being afraid to try anything and I do, System Restore has been my
savior many, many times but I tried that sometime back when I TRIED
to go back before this started and even then, I didn't seem to go
back far enough. I have been convinced for some time a re-load was
the only answer. You will note that I said OE is working fine on
the other computer but I hadn't been able to reload it on this one. As
you remember, this correspondence is through thunderbird until
this computer is cleared of the bug.

Hope this helps

Jan
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Glenn


Hope this helps

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Thanks Jan. If I am reading this thing right...........

Windows XP SP2: Reinstall Windows XP SP2

It is saying with SP2, I need not change anything in the regs,
just reinstall SP2? And that will fix OE?
The fixes for SP1 sound more plausible but I DO have SP2 so
that is the only thing that applys? Seems like I tried that
recently and it did nothing to stop the fragmenting etc but I
have been fighting it for so long that by now I have forgotten
what all I HAVE tried. Glenn

Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

First off, you have XP Pro, therefore, you cannot delete IE/OE,
as it is a core part of the XP program, and deleting any of
these files will seriously damage your XP program. But, you
can disable it, or repair it. I would suggest a repair at this
point and see if that helps, as some files may have become
corrupted. I have listed information on how to repair XP.

How to Reinstall or Repair Internet Explorer and Outlook
Express in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378
If you have SP2 then read the SP2 section of these instructions:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378#XSLTH3130121123120121120120

Hope this helps

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A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape better
than Thunderbird and this was my response. Perhaps someone
here could answer my reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.




Thunderbird is by Mozilla:
http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/features.html


I don't like it as well as OE but if you noticed how my posts
had sentences fragmented, OE was doing that. It also screwed
up my screen each time I hit "send".

Now that I am using thunderbird, I may try to delete OE
completely and see if I can reload it in a good state..




Little recent history on my OE's. I formated the hd on my old
puter and reloaded from scratch a new win98. It is routed
together with this one. Anyway the old version of OE that was
on the 98 cd worked and through M$ updates, brought it up to
the latest version and it works perfectly.

I'm just hesitant about messing with a working xp pro on this
puter. If I am successful in deleting OE here, I wonder if
re-running the install cd would just do a clean reload of the
missing OE or mess up something else at the same time. None
of the forums will touch that question because they evidently
don't know. ?????????????

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Glenn

It would be very helpful if you could provide us with a link or name of a
post that you have posted to where the errant text is displayed, so that we
can see how it looks from our perspective. Seeing it from your end may be
different than it actually looks.

What newsgroup or forum did you recently post in that this happened, and the
name and date of the subject, or the link to the post. That would may give
us more of an idea where or what caused the problem you are seeing.

Hope this helps

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It downloaded clean but you should see it in my 'sent items'
directory. It fragmented THREE LINES and is a mess. I guess I
shouldn't care as long as it goes through clear as I don't use the
sent items that often and them they can be cleaned up. It still
clears the top screen though. Hmmm, I see the icon that was in the
sys tray is gone. Maybe it gave up.
Glenn

I can download it with both thunderbird and OE and it ISN'T
fragmented on this end. Maybe the little ditty works. Strangely
though, it IS fragmented in my 'sent items' directory. It still
clears the top screen on send though so maybe I still will have to
go through with your more radical suggestion. I'll be interested to
see if this goes through clear as I'm not even clicking the icon on
the tray. Glenn

Jan,

I have your little ditty on board and I will type enough lines to
make a paragraph. There will be no carriage returns in this
paragraph. I downloaded the recommended program and installed it. If
this sounds like drivel, you are right, I'm just trying to fill
out a paragraph. Looking at the authors illustration, this is a
common thing. I wonder why, with it being so common that although
I have described the phenomena many times on > this forum, you are
the only one to recognize it and address it?

(Paragraph) It is just sitting there in the tray doing nothing. I
can click on it and it brings up a popup that does nothing. Maybe
it works on its own and behind the lines? Here goes. [g]

Glenn

Hi Glenn

Here is a free little free utility called Quote Fix that does a
good job of correcting some errant text problems, especailly, in
newsgroups:
Quote Fix: - Free
http://www.linktz.com/3rd-party/OE-QuoteFix/index.html
Download
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix

also...

Check the Tools>Options>Send
See if the "Reply to messages in the format in which they were
sent" is checked. If it is, uncheck it and see if that changes
anything. See if that makes any difference. Perhaps not, but, I have
found
that some formats work differently with some types of other formats
fo messages that I responde to, both in newsgroups and e-mails.


Hope this helps

Jan
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Jan Il wrote:
Hi Glenn

Comments in-line below:



Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

I would suggest that you uninstall the SP2 before repairing XP:


When I get the time, I will try that. It makes sense.


Good.


How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp,
then

Repair XP, follow the directions to reinstall the SP2, then
immediately visit the Windows update to reinstall all the
necessary updates.


The following paragraph is an example what was happening in OE
***************************************************************

In regards the fragmentation, I have no way to know how your
posts looked

as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be due to

how you have your OE set up. Can you explain what you mean by
fragmented? Perhaps post a small example here so we can

see what it
is

doing? You may be able to make a simple setting adjustment to
resolve that part of the problem.

***********************************************************
Looks weird, doesn't it? This stuff started after I had used OE
for years so I doubt that a setting would have changed and I
sure never made the change. The balance of the problem that I
never bothered to spell out because a re-load should fix it too.


Does this happen when you send an e-mail, or does it only happen
when you post to the newsgroups?

Both and to answer another helper, I run 1600 X 1200 res and this
was breaking 1/2 way across and it is NOT doing it under
thunderbird, only OE.


*******************
Running a P4 /w 2.2 G and 512M memory.

OE6 6.00.2900.2180 (XPSP_SP2_rtm.040803-2158)

(I need to put a blank line at the top.)

OK. My problems. The line above is because it often (but not
always) cuts off the first 3 words of a post. Can't find out
why. Anyone?? I have mine set up with the list of subjects on
top and the "From:
To: and Subject" window on the bottom half. Always have and
assume it is standard with most folks. When I reply to a post,
it used to just send and return me to the post I was replying
to. Now it erases the top window except for the little squares
showing where the subjects WERE. It hangs up there until I click a
different folder (newsgroup) and then go back to my original one
(like yours) and it will list normally again except it starts at
the top again and I have to scroll down to the post I was
replying to. What has changed? I have run 6 different virus
finders and none of them find anything. I just checked and I
have all the MS updates. This is a hard thing to explain and
maybe I failed but feel free
to ask me for any clarification you need and I'll try. One
friend wants me to try Firefox but I have used MS since there
was a MS and want to continue but this is driving me nuts. (I have
since
gone to thunderbird but hope to go back.)


This does sound as if there is some corruption in the program,
and hopefully the repair will correct iRestore to a date prior
to the problem? Something may have happened that can be
corrected by doing a restore. I would recommend that you try a
System Restore first and see if that does not help resolve the
problem. Here are the instructions on how to do that in case
you need them. This will undo any harmful events that may have
taken place since the last restore point. How to do a System
Restore in XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Not being afraid to try anything and I do, System Restore has
been my savior many, many times but I tried that sometime back
when I TRIED to go back before this started and even then, I
didn't seem to go back far enough. I have been convinced for
some time a re-load was the only answer. You will note that I
said OE is working fine on the other computer but I hadn't been able
to reload it on this
one. As you remember, this correspondence is through thunderbird
until this computer is cleared of the bug.

Hope this helps

Jan
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Glenn


Hope this helps

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Thanks Jan. If I am reading this thing right...........

Windows XP SP2: Reinstall Windows XP SP2

It is saying with SP2, I need not change anything in the regs,
just reinstall SP2? And that will fix OE?
The fixes for SP1 sound more plausible but I DO have SP2 so
that is the only thing that applys? Seems like I tried that
recently and it did nothing to stop the fragmenting etc but I
have been fighting it for so long that by now I have forgotten
what all I HAVE tried. Glenn

Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

First off, you have XP Pro, therefore, you cannot delete
IE/OE, as it is a core part of the XP program, and deleting
any of these files will seriously damage your XP program. But,
you can disable it, or repair it. I would suggest a
repair at this point and see if that helps, as some files
may have become corrupted. I have listed information on how
to repair XP. How to Reinstall or Repair Internet Explorer and
Outlook
Express in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378
If you have SP2 then read the SP2 section of these
instructions:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378#XSLTH3130121123120121120120

Hope this helps

Jan
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A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape better
than Thunderbird and this was my response. Perhaps someone
here could answer my reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.




Thunderbird is by Mozilla:
http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/features.html


I don't like it as well as OE but if you noticed how my
posts had sentences fragmented, OE was doing that. It also
screwed up my screen each time I hit "send".

Now that I am using thunderbird, I may try to delete OE
completely and see if I can reload it in a good state..




Little recent history on my OE's. I formated the hd on my
old puter and reloaded from scratch a new win98. It is
routed together with this one. Anyway the old version of OE
that was on the 98 cd worked and through M$ updates,
brought it up to the latest version and it works perfectly.

I'm just hesitant about messing with a working xp pro on
this puter. If I am successful in deleting OE here, I
wonder if re-running the install cd would just do a clean
reload of the missing OE or mess up something else at the
same time. None of the forums will touch that question
because they evidently don't know. ?????????????

 

[N. Miller]

A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape
better than Thunderbird and this was my response.
Perhaps someone here could answer my reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.

Since nobody addressed this comment, and everybody is tackling your other
problem, I will run with this. Netscape 7.x is based on an older branch of
Mozilla. Netscape 7.2 is showing Mozilla 1.7.2. Netscape 8.x is based on
Thunderbird. I don't have a copy of Netscape 8 so I don't know which
version of TB.

Netscape 7.2 has some AOL specific bells and whistles, including the
ability to access Netscape Webmail, and, I think, AOL mail, as IMAP
accounts. Mozilla 1.7.2 can't do that. Presumably Netscape 8.x vs.
Thunderbird has the same difference.

They are not the same the same programs, and some don't like the AOL
specific bells and whistles.

 

[Glenn]

Go no farther than 2 lines down (or up if
ascending) to my answer to Sandi time 8:26 AM.

It is fragmented on 2 different lines on mine both
when it showed up in 'sent' and when I downloaded it
with both OE and thunderbird. That's 3 places I see
it fragmented here and I'm assuming it is there too
because thunderbird doesn't scramble things. (Yet)

Glenn

Hi Glenn

It would be very helpful if you could provide us with a link or name of
a post that you have posted to where the errant text is displayed, so
that we can see how it looks from our perspective. Seeing it from your
end may be different than it actually looks.

What newsgroup or forum did you recently post in that this happened, and
the name and date of the subject, or the link to the post. That would
may give us more of an idea where or what caused the problem you are
seeing.

Hope this helps

Jan
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It downloaded clean but you should see it in my 'sent items'
directory. It fragmented THREE LINES and is a mess. I guess I
shouldn't care as long as it goes through clear as I don't use the
sent items that often and them they can be cleaned up. It still
clears the top screen though. Hmmm, I see the icon that was in the
sys tray is gone. Maybe it gave up.
Glenn

I can download it with both thunderbird and OE and it ISN'T
fragmented on this end. Maybe the little ditty works. Strangely
though, it IS fragmented in my 'sent items' directory. It still
clears the top screen on send though so maybe I still will have to
go through with your more radical suggestion. I'll be interested to
see if this goes through clear as I'm not even clicking the icon on
the tray. Glenn


Jan,

I have your little ditty on board and I will type enough lines to
make a paragraph. There will be no carriage returns in this
paragraph. I downloaded the recommended program and installed it.
If this sounds like drivel, you are right, I'm just trying to fill
out a paragraph. Looking at the authors illustration, this is a
common thing. I wonder why, with it being so common that although
I have described the phenomena many times on > this forum, you are
the only one to recognize it and address it?

(Paragraph) It is just sitting there in the tray doing nothing. I
can click on it and it brings up a popup that does nothing. Maybe
it works on its own and behind the lines? Here goes. [g]

Glenn


Hi Glenn

Here is a free little free utility called Quote Fix that does a
good job of correcting some errant text problems, especailly, in
newsgroups:
Quote Fix: - Free
http://www.linktz.com/3rd-party/OE-QuoteFix/index.html
Download
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix

also...

Check the Tools>Options>Send
See if the "Reply to messages in the format in which they were
sent" is checked. If it is, uncheck it and see if that changes
anything. See if that makes any difference. Perhaps not, but, I
have found
that some formats work differently with some types of other formats
fo messages that I responde to, both in newsgroups and e-mails.


Hope this helps

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.

Replies are posted only to the newsgroup for the benefit or other
readers. How to make a good newsgroup post:
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Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

Comments in-line below:



Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

I would suggest that you uninstall the SP2 before repairing XP:



When I get the time, I will try that. It makes sense.



Good.


How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875350&Product=winxp,

then

Repair XP, follow the directions to reinstall the SP2, then
immediately visit the Windows update to reinstall all the
necessary updates.



The following paragraph is an example what was happening in OE
***************************************************************

In regards the fragmentation, I have no way to know how your
posts looked


as
you did not provide a link to it. But, it could be due to

how you have your OE set up. Can you explain what you mean by
fragmented? Perhaps post a small example here so we can


see what it
is

doing? You may be able to make a simple setting adjustment to
resolve that part of the problem.


***********************************************************
Looks weird, doesn't it? This stuff started after I had used OE
for years so I doubt that a setting would have changed and I
sure never made the change. The balance of the problem that I
never bothered to spell out because a re-load should fix it too.



Does this happen when you send an e-mail, or does it only happen
when you post to the newsgroups?


Both and to answer another helper, I run 1600 X 1200 res and this
was breaking 1/2 way across and it is NOT doing it under
thunderbird, only OE.



*******************
Running a P4 /w 2.2 G and 512M memory.

OE6 6.00.2900.2180 (XPSP_SP2_rtm.040803-2158)

(I need to put a blank line at the top.)

OK. My problems. The line above is because it often (but not
always) cuts off the first 3 words of a post. Can't find out
why. Anyone?? I have mine set up with the list of subjects on
top and the "From:
To: and Subject" window on the bottom half. Always have and
assume it is standard with most folks. When I reply to a post,
it used to just send and return me to the post I was replying
to. Now it erases the top window except for the little squares
showing where the subjects WERE. It hangs up there until I click a
different folder (newsgroup) and then go back to my original one
(like yours) and it will list normally again except it starts at
the top again and I have to scroll down to the post I was
replying to. What has changed? I have run 6 different virus
finders and none of them find anything. I just checked and I
have all the MS updates. This is a hard thing to explain and
maybe I failed but feel free
to ask me for any clarification you need and I'll try. One
friend wants me to try Firefox but I have used MS since there
was a MS and want to continue but this is driving me nuts. (I
have since
gone to thunderbird but hope to go back.)



This does sound as if there is some corruption in the program,
and hopefully the repair will correct iRestore to a date prior
to the problem? Something may have happened that can be
corrected by doing a restore. I would recommend that you try a
System Restore first and see if that does not help resolve the
problem. Here are the instructions on how to do that in case
you need them. This will undo any harmful events that may have
taken place since the last restore point. How to do a System
Restore in XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084


Not being afraid to try anything and I do, System Restore has
been my savior many, many times but I tried that sometime back
when I TRIED to go back before this started and even then, I
didn't seem to go back far enough. I have been convinced for
some time a re-load was the only answer. You will note that I
said OE is working fine on the other computer but I hadn't been
able to reload it on this
one. As you remember, this correspondence is through thunderbird
until this computer is cleared of the bug.


Hope this helps

Jan
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that's why they're so contagious.

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readers.
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Glenn


Hope this helps

Jan
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Thanks Jan. If I am reading this thing right...........

Windows XP SP2: Reinstall Windows XP SP2

It is saying with SP2, I need not change anything in the regs,
just reinstall SP2? And that will fix OE?
The fixes for SP1 sound more plausible but I DO have SP2 so
that is the only thing that applys? Seems like I tried that
recently and it did nothing to stop the fragmenting etc but I
have been fighting it for so long that by now I have forgotten
what all I HAVE tried. Glenn

Jan Il wrote:

Hi Glenn

First off, you have XP Pro, therefore, you cannot delete
IE/OE, as it is a core part of the XP program, and deleting
any of these files will seriously damage your XP program.
But, you can disable it, or repair it. I would suggest a
repair at this point and see if that helps, as some files
may have become corrupted. I have listed information on how
to repair XP. How to Reinstall or Repair Internet Explorer
and Outlook
Express in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378
If you have SP2 then read the SP2 section of these
instructions:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378#XSLTH3130121123120121120120


Hope this helps

Jan
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A poster in another NG commented they liked Netscape better
than Thunderbird and this was my response. Perhaps someone
here could answer my reload question.

I thought Thunderbird WAS Netscape.





Thunderbird is by Mozilla:
http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/features.html


I don't like it as well as OE but if you noticed how my
posts had sentences fragmented, OE was doing that. It also
screwed up my screen each time I hit "send".

Now that I am using thunderbird, I may try to delete OE
completely and see if I can reload it in a good state..





Little recent history on my OE's. I formated the hd on my
old puter and reloaded from scratch a new win98. It is
routed together with this one. Anyway the old version of OE
that was on the 98 cd worked and through M$ updates,
brought it up to the latest version and it works perfectly.

I'm just hesitant about messing with a working xp pro on
this puter. If I am successful in deleting OE here, I
wonder if re-running the install cd would just do a clean
reload of the missing OE or mess up something else at the
same time. None of the forums will touch that question
because they evidently don't know. ?????????????